Brexit and the Consequences

Atilla said:
On the contrary Labour politics is spot on and just what the country needs.

Let Tories tear them selves apart.
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Corbyn and McDonnell are dedicated to the destruction of the capitalist state and the removal of any choice or options of actions which might seek to restore it. I don't trust that they will have relinquished the use of violence to this end as necessary.

Right now, as far as Brexit is concerned, Corbyn is saying, I will do whatever the majority of the membership vote for. This has the veneer of democratic process but conceals a man devoid of courage and abilities to lead. He is transparently a perpetual 1970's polytechnic student opposer who cannot do anything or start anything or stand for anything - unless the unions are behind it. He's had years to think up whether he's for the EU or against it and he still can't say. What sort of leadership would he give to Brexit negotiations (or Brexit cancellation negotiations) if he was PM?
 
tomorton said:
Corbyn and McDonnell are dedicated to the destruction of the capitalist state and the removal of any choice or options of actions which might seek to restore it. I don't trust that they will have relinquished the use of violence to this end as necessary.

Right now, as far as Brexit is concerned, Corbyn is saying, I will do whatever the majority of the membership vote for. This has the veneer of democratic process but conceals a man devoid of courage and abilities to lead. He is transparently a perpetual 1970's polytechnic student opposer who cannot do anything or start anything or stand for anything - unless the unions are behind it. He's had years to think up whether he's for the EU or against it and he still can't say. What sort of leadership would he give to Brexit negotiations (or Brexit cancellation negotiations) if he was PM?
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You're missing the point.

Brexit has been initiated by Tory party first over country power seekers and it should be resolved by them. Tearing party in half is about right. Party has an identity crises.

Why should Labour declare position only to be attacked for it taking focus off Tories. Idea is for the Tories to stew in their own broth.

Labour are playing a super political game. Simply that they are wising up to what the country needs and moving towards LibDem's position.


Ofcourse they can make decisions and run the country distributing wealth. There is such a momentum behind Labour and party support is very strong. People know what's right and what's wrong. You'll see soon enough. (y)
 
Atilla said:
So how is the Canada deal better than the one we have now?
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What deal do we have now? I wasn't aware that we had agreed one?? :eek:

It won't allow liebour into power. How hypocritical of them to be bashing the corporates on the one hand, telling their conference that they don't pay enough taxes, the poor downtrodden worker, blah blah. And then on the other hand is all ready to betray the country and side with the corporate elites in Brussels, do they actually listen to their own words? Or are they so wrapped up in their socialist BS that they can't see the comrades for the corporatists?
 
IEA Brexit Plan A+

https://www.scribd.com/document/389306835/Brexit-Plan-A

The IEA's (Institute of Economic Affairs) plan (published yesterday) is a well-thought-out and sensible piece of work. It makes nonsense of the Chequers plan and the Conservatives would do well to take it on board.

It's 150 pages long but well worth the read to gain a good grasp of the Brexit options even if you don't believe Brexit. If you are short on time/brainpower/willpower then I would recommend the executive summary pages 8-21.

It's a refreshing change to see some plain and simple ideas based on logic and practicality.
 
Atilla said:
No categorically not. Disagree 100%.

Previous referendum was all about lies and deceit and false promises and hope.

The leavers were rubbishing and attacking everything that we worked hard to build, whilst making outlandish claims which could not be delivered.


This time round there is going to be a deal and some real options.

1. Deal on table - accept or reject? However, the remainers will have something to attack and rubbish. Brexiters will not have the red bus lies and hopes of an easy deal or claiming WTO is just fine with all the ports, customs and lorry parks on the horizon and businesses leaving.

You can't fool people twice.

2. Brexit means Brexit - options will be clearer along with falst promises. Parties may split in two if what we hear about Tories is true. UKIP effectively *******ised the Conservatives. Difficult to know which MP belongs to which party.

3. Remain as we are the benefits will crystalise. For example Japan agreeing a new Trade Agreement with EU provides benefits above and beyond WTO. If not why would they enter such trade agreements. Might be difficult for numpties to work that one out but how much of a numpty does one have to be to claim WTO is great, better than a trade agreement when trading with rest of the World.


Perhaps more young people will vote and some of the hasty Brexiteers will have felt the wind of change as in the Motor and Pharmacutical Industries. Won't mention Finance.



If citizens still choose Brexit then let it be. I'll accept democracy has played out and accept outcomes.

One thing is for sure, it will in no way be a referendum AT ALL like what we had before.
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Nooo, not the bl00dy bus again, let it go, remain side lied and scaremongdered 10 fold of the leave campaign and continue to do so, I know you’re a regular contributor to the “joke” thread but do try and distinguish the difference from here, there’s a good chap...(y) :LOL:
 
sminicooper said:
https://www.scribd.com/document/389306835/Brexit-Plan-A

The IEA's (Institute of Economic Affairs) plan (published yesterday) is a well-thought-out and sensible piece of work. It makes nonsense of the Chequers plan and the Conservatives would do well to take it on board.

It's 150 pages long but well worth the read to gain a good grasp of the Brexit options even if you don't believe Brexit. If you are short on time/brainpower/willpower then I would recommend the executive summary pages 8-21.

It's a refreshing change to see some plain and simple ideas based on logic and practicality.
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many many years ago on my first day as Finance manager at a FTSE 100 company .....I was told by my MD that if i ever put more than 1 sheet of paper in front of her she would kick my Ar*e from here to Helsinki .......I am always nervous of anything more in truth .....

so......is there a 1 page summary for us real dumb folks ?......:cool:
 
Signalcalc said:
What deal do we have now? I wasn't aware that we had agreed one?? :eek:

It won't allow liebour into power. How hypocritical of them to be bashing the corporates on the one hand, telling their conference that they don't pay enough taxes, the poor downtrodden worker, blah blah. And then on the other hand is all ready to betray the country and side with the corporate elites in Brussels, do they actually listen to their own words? Or are they so wrapped up in their socialist BS that they can't see the comrades for the corporatists?
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where the bloody hell is simon Cowell when you need him ?

the BREXIT factor ....coming soon to your front room ?:LOL:

and if we could get all the politicians on an island instead and then leave them there .....well the mind boggles !

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mike. said:
Nooo, not the bl00dy bus again, let it go, remain side lied and scaremongdered 10 fold of the leave campaign and continue to do so, I know you’re a regular contributor to the “joke” thread but do try and distinguish the difference from here, there’s a good chap...(y) :LOL:
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You don't say :)

What about rules and regulations and directives? Thought we were going to do away with all that? Why cut and paste into UK books if it's all so bl00dy so bad?

Can you also show me the way to the queue to sign up for a trade deal with UK is please. I can't seem to find where the queue starts.

Why has my mortgage payments gone up?

My shopping basket seems to cost more too? Does Moggy know the cost of making a cheese toast?


That red bus is the smallest of the fibulationary lies that were told. The smallest. 350m a week is nothing in the grand size of the UK economy or future impact of leaving.
 
Signalcalc said:
What deal do we have now? I wasn't aware that we had agreed one?? :eek:

It won't allow liebour into power. How hypocritical of them to be bashing the corporates on the one hand, telling their conference that they don't pay enough taxes, the poor downtrodden worker, blah blah. And then on the other hand is all ready to betray the country and side with the corporate elites in Brussels, do they actually listen to their own words? Or are they so wrapped up in their socialist BS that they can't see the comrades for the corporatists?
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Have no idea what you are rabitting on about.

This is the current deal on the table. UK is in the Euro Zone :)

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Then there is the sliding scale of tiered deals for you.

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Atilla said:
You don't say :)

What about rules and regulations and directives? Thought we were going to do away with all that? Why cut and paste into UK books if it's all so bl00dy so bad?

Can you also show me the way to the queue to sign up for a trade deal with UK is please. I can't seem to find where the queue starts.

Why has my mortgage payments gone up?

My shopping basket seems to cost more too? Does Moggy know the cost of making a cheese toast?


That red bus is the smallest of the fibulationary lies that were told. The smallest. 350m a week is nothing in the grand size of the UK economy or future impact of leaving.
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As leading Remoaner, have you read the IEA report yet?

We all await your reply based on, superior knowledge and all that jazz (y)
 
NVP said:
many many years ago on my first day as Finance manager at a FTSE 100 company .....I was told by my MD that if i ever put more than 1 sheet of paper in front of her she would kick my Ar*e from here to Helsinki .......I am always nervous of anything more in truth .....

so......is there a 1 page summary for us real dumb folks ?......:cool:
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As Churchill used to say - "If I'd had more time I would have made it more concise" - and didn't he also insist that any short written submission to him should fit on 1 side of foolscap (A4 today)

It would have been nice to have the traditional academic abstract but we are dealing with economists here, and the exec summary is probably brief by their standards.;)

PS - Looking back on this thread Atilla has done plenty of 1 page summaries on Brexit!
 
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sminicooper said:
As Churchill used to say - "If I'd had more time I would have made it more concise" - and didn't he also insist that any short written submission to him should fit on 1 side of foolscap (A4 today)

It would have been nice to have the traditional academic abstract but we are dealing with economists here, and the exec summary is probably brief by their standards.;)

PS - if you look back on this thread Atilla has done plenty of 1 page summaries on Brexit!
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Yes SuperMC,

For Brexiteers one has to keep it simple.

One page is too much.

Three little words suits you sir :)
 
Atilla said:
Yes SuperMC,



For Brexiteers one has to keep it simple.



One page is too much.



Three little words suits you sir :)
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You beat me to it, I was going to say one sentence would sum up the remain position: rabbit, rabbit, rabbit, rabbit, rabbit, rabbit, rabbit, rhubarb, sorry chas [emoji16]
 
I've read the Executive summary and I can't say I'm impressed.


The UK running its own economy will not render a deal with the EU impossible. It will bring back real growth, let the UK do other trade deals, and create leverage to get positive results from EU negotiations. Political, trade, and regulatory independence is therefore not just an ideological position, but what makes the gains possible.

This proposal will set these out, and demonstrate what will be lost if the UK Government maintains a model similar to the approach adopted at the Chequers cabinet meeting in July 2018, further elaborated in the White Paper, or one even more closely aligned to the EU. The economic scale of the prize shows the opportunity to unleash prosperity when we liberate ourselves from a system with such serious distortions. This is a framework outlining how the UK can still attain the Brexit Prize

What is "real growth". Is there fake growth that they feel the need to state, such a line in executive summary? Please one of your informed expert Brexiteers explain. Thanks.

It is a framework with loads of ideas about what we can do, should do, could do, would have to do. I can hazard a guess paper will suggest Must do.

This is the MoSCoW model for developing a wish list of requirements when perhaps going out to tender. By utilising a scoring method it can help evaluating PQQs in a tendering process to find best fit supplier to requirements.

As I see it, it is simply a wish list to see which deal is best suited. As an approach goes it has some structure but the paper is biased from the start and does say so in the brief what it is setting out to do.

So much has been said and written there isn't anything new in there. Reading some of your outburst I thought I was going to find the next best thing to sliced bread or something. Sadly not. Just dissapointment.


Keep up the good work. I can see some thinking process to evaulate what we are getting our selves into finally taking place. (y)
 
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