Brexit and the Consequences

How's this for a design. We elect a government like we normally do. Technology is brought into it and everyone has a single login and the system only allows one session for that login from a known device. When the government needs to discuss an issue, we all have an app on our phones or via a pc, or automated call service. The app provides a calendar of topics and you get a vote in each (one vote only) with the voting options being

yes, no, let the government decide

This system lets the people drive decisions and the government to implement them. It's the most effective way to get things done on a majority vote on every decision. Anyway back to reality
 
How's this for a design. We elect a government like we normally do. Technology is brought into it and everyone has a single login and the system only allows one session for that login from a known device. When the government needs to discuss an issue, we all have an app on our phones or via a pc, or automated call service. The app provides a calendar of topics and you get a vote in each (one vote only) with the voting options being

yes, no, let the government decide

This system lets the people drive decisions and the government to implement them. It's the most effective way to get things done on a majority vote on every decision. Anyway back to reality

Not a bad one but who gets to decide what the vote is on and should there be a clear majority like +20%. Another problem is why should, say a college professor's vote be worth the same as the village idiot's ?
Look what a mess the Labour party have got themselves into being too democratic and giving their membership a vote on who is to be party leader. Many of their membership are tactical voters thinking Corbyn is really the worst candidate for Labour but the preferable one for the Tories and Liberals.
 
It's a start isn't it. There is a system used by tech companies to incorporate new features. People submit ideas and those ideas are voted on. The ones with the most votes gets implemented. I think there should be an area of government that is left off this and managed by government on its own. Otherwise people will be flooded. This idea is for the main direction of government so think of it as 60 percent people having their say and 40 the government getting on with churn.
 
Everyone should get a vote and we shouldn't discriminate idiots. They will after all be a minority
 
Everyone should get a vote and we shouldn't discriminate idiots. They will after all be a minority

Are you sure ? There is nothing wrong with their power to reproduce. In fact if the fit insist on being killed off in wars we are left with a surplus of idiots probably.
 
Are you sure ? There is nothing wrong with their power to reproduce. In fact if the fit insist on being killed off in wars we are left with a surplus of idiots probably.
Lol, that has just made my day.
 
How's this for a design. We elect a government like we normally do. Technology is brought into it and everyone has a single login and the system only allows one session for that login from a known device. When the government needs to discuss an issue, we all have an app on our phones or via a pc, or automated call service. The app provides a calendar of topics and you get a vote in each (one vote only) with the voting options being

yes, no, let the government decide

This system lets the people drive decisions and the government to implement them. It's the most effective way to get things done on a majority vote on every decision. Anyway back to reality

That presupposes that the majority view is going to be the right one. Doesn't get you very far in trading does it :LOL:
 
That presupposes that the majority view is going to be the right one. Doesn't get you very far in trading does it [emoji38]
The majority view is the right one when it comes to government.

This thread is about brexit not trading incase you haven't noticed.
 
The majority view is the right one when it comes to government.

This thread is about brexit not trading incase you haven't noticed.

:LOL:

Aye, don't agree though.

Good government is about leadership not just bowing to the majority view of the time. That's why we have representational democracy.
 
Why would you want a small group of mps who probably have no idea what life is like for the average Joe let alone poor ones, to make decisions on behalf of everyone? A majority vote aligns decisions with everyones expectations. Do you have any say in the day to day decisions in where money goes and how the economy is managed? Even though we vote a government in based on their manifesto but that's always changed, items dropped or massively watered down. This doesn't represent democracy, its like a salesman selling you a product and you finding out that it doesn't do what is says on the tin. So I guess we can agree to disagree
 
The Swiss have a democratic Govt. with loads of referendums. Perhaps someone here lives there ?
They could explain how the average voter feels about their system.

The Labour party under Blair had blatant spin doctors twisting the facts to suit themselves. If he hadn't resigned he would probably be still there.
 
Hey guys,

Here are some profound thoughts that came to me around Europe and our last 100 years of history...


WW1 - When war declared on Germany, there were street parties in the UK. Men celebrated. Those who didn't go to fight were called cowards. Those who did adn were shell shocked were tortured by the medical profession supported by the army. Those who changed their mind and ran were executed for desertion. When the war was over 5 years later people partied in the streets again.

Within one life time WW2 erupted and after much death, destruction and starvation peace was obtained and EEC was formed with the European Steel and Coal Community ESCC where France was appointed to keep a close eye on German manufacturing and war machine or rather to ensure it did not build another one. UK with Churchill thought this was all below us and had no desire to join, with our own steel industry well and trully in tact and full flow.

10 years later, UK lagging behind wanted to join back in but the French with de Gaule thought better of it (having helped them defeat Germany) objected and UK was left waiting until the early 70s to become a member. Won't go into the 2nd referendum in 1975 but after another 10 year wait (20 years in total which we are very good at) you'd think UK would be well determined to join.


Another interesting thought was the cold war and how even Berlin was divided right through the middle. More of a down-town black spot with low growth and ugly place to exist. Back then spies were sent in risking life and limb to help people on the other side out. Can you believe that.

Communist block setup a wall to keep its residents in. Anyone trying to cross it would be shot or blown up in a land mine. In contrast the West would spend vast amounts of money to get these people out. Now days it seems the old Eastern block countries are the ones objecting to UK not warming to the free movement of labour idea and want to punish us over the Brexit. WHAT's the freaking WORLD COMING TO???? :eek::-0:eek::-0:mad::mad::mad::devilish: Either they have seen the light or we've had ours dimmed.

Back in the old days in the 70s and 80s, a custom union was a superior arrangement over WTO trading agreements. Numerous bilateral agreements would be costly and confusing for industry to navigate. Now I'm told WTO is a far superior solution where we can make our own deals. We can be member of the World Trading Club and not just Europe's. You know like why have a partnership with one block with 27 countries when there are 160 out there? I dunno maybe they are right???

Then we come to 9/11, where Saudis known group called Al-Qaida after Osama bin Ladin (family name), trained and financed by the CIA to fight Russia in Afghanistan supposedly blow up three perfectly demolished buildings (one not even hit by a flying brick), and then the US allows all Saudies to fly out of the US of A whilst stopping every other airline from flying. Not only does it stop there. Instead of attacking investigating the Saudies, it decides to go and destroy Afghanistan whilst trying to capture one man, a Saudie.

Wait there is more. Axis of evil is all over the place so decides to launch a war on Iraq with Saddam who has absolute naff all to do with anything, being a pure evil dastardly and no interest in Islam.

Let's not forget Syria whilst we make peace with Iran. So we now have 3m refugees in Jordan and Turkey with a good few 100s and thousands on Europe's door trying to get in.

When Bush said they don't like our way of life, freedoms and democracy he was clearly lying. They are like lemmings literally sacrificing them selves and families to get into our way of life.

So war bubble builds up trillions of debt. Banks swing into action packaging up useless subprime junk bonds and sell them off as tripple A+ rated safe as houses instruments. In the self regulated super dooper finance system built by the US of A and supported and joined in the hip by the UK for almost 25 years everything is rosy until when it goes poohey and the real big BANG! takes place.

First the banks take back the inflated homes the Ninjas can't afford to keep and the Fed, instead of helping the little man pay his mortgage, gives 800 bn to the banks who literally effed up the little guy on the street. That's not enough, and now they are going around fining the banks who nobody thought to regulate because they missed behaved in some way chasing profits.


So after all this UK has a Eureka moment, where Cameron plays a clever political game to pull the thorn in the Conservative party out of his right buttock cheek but it goes horribly wrong as now having risked spies and wars delivering freedom and democracy to people all over the World as well as having invaded and kicked ass the last 250 years, Nigel Farage and the blond bimbo BJ decide enough is enough we want to take back CONTROL of our BORDERS having fecked up the rest of the Worlds for centuries.


Ever since we joined back in 1973 we went from being 8th in the GDP league table to 5th and we are doing really really well at the moment but somehow it's envisaged we could be be 4th or even 1st and the EU is about to implode. Even if it doesn't imlode it is impeding our ability to trade successfully in the World. Let's save our selves and now those pesky Europeans as they really haven't a clue about the state of the union or the World is in that we live in.

In the words of the yanks, get the feck outta there she's gonna blow!!!

PS. We no longer have a steel industry but that's ok.
PS2. It took 20 years to join and some say it'll take 2 years to leave. No bother we are good at waiting. Roll on article 50.



Can someone pinch me please in case I'm dreaming. :cheesy:
 
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Interesting thoughts above at #413 and it does indeed make you wonder if there is any sanity left in the world!

The only contentious point in my opinion is with reference to East Berlin: "Communist block setup a wall to keep its residents in. Anyone trying to cross it would be shot or blown up in a land mine." – Didn't they really build the wall to stop people from the West getting in because it was so good to live in the Eastern Bloc? :LOL:
 
Memories have taken me back to this film... :)





Helen Mirren looks great too :love::love::love:
 
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How will that be done Sparky? :cheesy:

I see that it is the end of March, now. :cry:

My advice_ Believe it when you see it! That's six months away.!

Don't get me wrong--I think that it will happen. The question is "When"?
 
I see that it is the end of March, now. :cry:

My advice_ Believe it when you see it! That's six months away.!

Don't get me wrong--I think that it will happen. The question is "When"?


Needs to pass Parliament and then HoLs. If they have the proper debates and vote for it all well and good.

The government’s planned “Great Repeal Bill” will abolish the 1972 European Communities Act, while converting all EU laws governed by it into domestic legislation on the day Britain eventually completes its pullout, according to May’s Conservative Party. Subsequent governments will then be able to repeal or amend individual laws.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...t-trigger-by-march-as-u-k-to-enshrine-eu-laws

I think Theresa May is a very foxy lady. Positives from all this uncertainty will be a low pound for many years to come. (y)
 
I see that it is the end of March, now. :cry:

My advice_ Believe it when you see it! That's six months away.!


We might not even witness Brexit if its 6 months down the line.......tensions are building within the super powers and were being mushroomed..( kept in the dark and fed horse poo )

 
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