arabianights
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Don't you think you might be a bit biased 
counter_violent
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An interesting link I found
http://greenteeth.blog.co.uk/2009/08/10/who-s-more-nazi-than-the-anti-nazi-league-6692875/
Used to have to listen to these freaks when I was studying at the LSE. Would be interested in who their backers really are and wouldn't be surprised if the BNP also obtained finances from similar sources.
Sod democracy, I would personally ban all such extremist congregations
Ah but that risks driving it underground...much harder to deal with.
At least overground it can all be filmed and organisations infiltrated much easier.....Thats democracy !
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Isn't Nick Griffin an MI5 agent in place to discredit the BNP (not that they need discrediting) ?
arabianights
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No, but ironically enough one of his contemporaries *censored cause of OSA*
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Isn't Nick Griffin an MI5 agent in place to discredit the BNP (not that they need discrediting) ?
Surpisingly he went to Cambridge. Isn't Cambridge historically associated with left wing activism, Soviet spies and so forth?
Atilla
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Cambridge and Oxford are the problem.
If they were any good all our elitist policticians, lawyers, bankers and leaders would have stopped the decline which has been with us the last 100+ years.
With the exception of a few scientists I doubt that stands for much.
Stuck up snobs and wet farts imo. Means jack. More to do with the old boy network, money and who's your daddy.
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So you think everything would be better if all your politicians were dumb as dirt from crappy schools?
What decline exactly have we seen the last 100 years? Economically we have seen the most progress ever, and raised the living standards of 100s of millions of people. Unless, y'know, you want to go back to tossing your morning crap out the window on to the street.
What decline exactly have we seen the last 100 years? Economically we have seen the most progress ever, and raised the living standards of 100s of millions of people. Unless, y'know, you want to go back to tossing your morning crap out the window on to the street.
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My point is which university you go to is no indication of anyones ability to deliver anything.
If you look at leading entrepreneurs - and check their backgrounds how many have been to Oxford or Cambridge? I believe one could make a case that people who come out of these institutions are not really equipped to deal with the cut and thrust of the real world... Don't think much of LSE either... Take the London out of it and it's just a school of economics.
Bath, Reading, Loughborough, Edinburgh are top universities up and down the country with their unique strengths in specialised areas.
As for the decline of the British Empire it started long before with the textile mills, ship building, coal mines and manufacturing.
The whole globe have seen improvements in living conditions for billions of people but situ is changing rapidly and we need to deal with the new challenges.
Child poverty, is still too high in this country as well as peopel in need. We may be 12th on the living standards scale but that hides a lot of pain and suffering for many people.
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Atilla,
That's the kind of ad hominem thinking that for one moment - god forbid - led to think that you may have been to Oxbridge!
Risible?
Cheers
M
You really think so? Very good, you think you have class with your Latin thinking?
Every Tom, Dick and Harry with his black and white cat knows entry in to these so called established highly reputable schools - is predominantly preserved to certain breed of animal called an Etonite.
If you take a normal distribution curve and measure the statistical distribution of the student popullation you will see 95% v 5% distribution. 5% to please the masses perhaps.
Moreover, in the City and financial institutions it's not what you know but who you know? Entry is not always based on merit. Correct me if I'm wrong.
You seem to have a good grasp of Latin and good for you. But did you know that in 19th century, one was looked down upon if you worked with your hands. Thus, one studied music, the arts and latin. One mustn't get ones hands dirty or what will the neighbours say.
Engineering and working with your hands was considered "Cinderella discipline". Rarely seen...
So by the late 19th century Germany and Japan had 4 to 8 times as many engineers as we did. This fact remains true today. Engineers in other countries are rewarded much better than here. They also get much better financial support. Paradoxically, bankers get rewarded here and engineers are hard pushed to find any work or apprentice position.
We are seeing the effects due to lack of manufacturing now as we squable...
My whole point is that our failure in the past is largely due to mismanagement by the elitists and nothing to do with the workforce. This defecit eventually reflected it self in manufacturing. You keep your workforce in the doldrums don't train them and don't reward them you end up with poor crass material.
Textiles, shipping, steel, railroads, cars, bikes, machinary - complete manufacturing meltdown by 1980 with little or no support. Even Stevens rocket was a one man pursuit, who was obsessed dedicated with borrowed money from friends and family. Best engineers were self made driven men of pure dedication who didn't give a toss about the music, the arts or Latin or having clean hands.
How is France able to produce and market railways and we can't?
So you see where I'm coming from...
Why don't you take your smart alek ad hominem and try real life lateral thinking see how well you do in the real world.
I would be very much interested in your analysis of the decline in the manufacturing sector. If you have one that is?
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Let's have less of the class envy... knowing what ad hominem means neither requires having the ability to see the humour in declining bellum rapidly nor does it need the knowledge to recite amo amas amat... tis just a common logical fallicy, well known to those who have never even heard of cicero but have taught themselves (self-taught maybe even!) about how to debate, I should hope. Try http://www.theskepticsguide.org/resources/logicalfallacies.aspx e.g. (but e.g. is latin!)
As for old school tie at *bridge... doesn't exist meaningfully, honest.
I met some astonishing people at my time at *bridge... it would be close to impossible to replicate that experience elsewhere.
As for old school tie at *bridge... doesn't exist meaningfully, honest.
I met some astonishing people at my time at *bridge... it would be close to impossible to replicate that experience elsewhere.
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How do you know it's "class envy" it could just as well be class pity
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I disagree, these universities attract a certain sort of person, in general with the ability to get focused results, especially in postgrad.
I think you have an utterly fantastical idea of what these unis are like, maybe time to put down the crack pipe? That last sentence of yours is grade A nimrod material.
Given that the LSE is about 70% international it'd be slightly difficult for them to draw entirely on Eton and the public schools.
So what? Would the world be a magically better place if banks and international organisation hired from these unis instead?
It's not 1950 y'know, how do you suppose all the chinese/american/indian etc grads are getting into the city.
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How do you know it's "class envy" it could just as well be class pity
I've done it all, every class from every ****ing side
I've been chucked out of the carlton club for being a drunk ******, and been chucked out of prudhoe working mans club for being a drunk ******
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I don't doubt it for a second
Not sure what it proves though !
I guess the thing is... why feel sorry for oxbridge types? The only logical reason is that they have missed out on something. But I think you could find someone who has been in almost any situation at all at said places. Point is they mostly haven't missed out on anything much.
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So to use your lame arguement - which universities attract a certain sort of person in general with the ability to NOT get focused results, especially in postgrad?
Here is a clue. You may need to take your bi-focals off as life is not two dimensional... :cheesy:
These days there are so many opportunities for everyone really, we really are living in an age of choice. Why anyone would actually feel down trodden in this day and age is beyond me.
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Well there are genuine folk I feel sorry for, even in this country; I believe that for most people aspiration is taught... equality of opportunity is all very well but that relies on entirely rational takers of said opporunitiy... heck at some times I have even felt sorry for labourites.
Then I snap out of it.
Then I snap out of it.
I just go straight into my greenhouse and do it on my tomato plants, it's been a good crop this year.
