Asian Coronavirus Outbreak

The link that follows is to a page of the Office for National Statistics website:
6. Deaths registered in the year-to-date, week 1 to 14
Scroll down to the segment headed: 'Figure 5: The number of deaths involving COVID-19 for females was lower than males in all age groups'. Note that there are no deaths in the first two age groups: under a year old and 1 - 14 (although there has been a death of a 13 year old boy since this was published). The next age group of 15 - 44 is the really interesting one - 29 male and 23 female - a total of just 52 deaths. Unfortunately, I can't find the data to confirm this but, according to someone interviewed on BBC Radio 4 yesterday, all but 9 of these had underlying health issues. 7 men and just 2 women if I remember rightly. That's the total for the year to date - just 9 people under 45 with no co-morbid conditions have died from the virus. To put this into some sort of context, 5 people die every single day in road traffic accidents, yet I don't hear anyone demanding that we all stop driving cars to save lives.

What this says to me is that we can - and should - get children back in schools, older pupils back in universities and the rest of the under 45 age group that are fit and well back into work asap. That action alone would prevent many businesses from going under and many jobs from being lost. But I doubt it'll happen, as one preventable death is one too many. Crazy!
Tim.

Aye, it‘s a heavy price to pay for keeping old codgers like me going. on the other hand a lot of the younger who recovered had a pretty torrid time.

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As we enter the next 3 weeks of lockdown here is a summary of the advice:

1. You MUST NOT leave the house for any reason, but if you have a reason, you can leave the house

2. Masks are useless at protecting you against the virus, but you may have to wear one because it can save lives, but they may not work, but they may be mandatory, but maybe not
3. Shops are closed, except those shops that are open
4. You must not go to work but you can get another job and go to work
5. You should not go to the Drs or to the hospital unless you have to go there, unless you are too poorly to go there
6. This virus can kill people, but don’t be scared of it. It can only kill those people who are vulnerable or those people who are not vulnerable people. It’s possible to contain and control it, sometimes, except that sometimes it actually leads to a global disaster
7. Gloves won't help, but they can still help so wear them sometimes or not
8. STAY HOME, but it's important to go out
9. There is no shortage of groceries in the supermarkets, but there are many things missing. Sometimes you won’t need loo rolls but you should buy some just in case you need some
10. The virus has no effect on children except those children it effects
11. Animals are not affected, but there is still a cat that tested positive in Belgium in February when no one had been tested, plus a few tigers here and there…
12. Stay 2 metres away from tigers (see point 11)
13. You will have many symptoms if your get the virus, but you can also get symptoms without getting the virus, get the virus without having any symptoms or be contagious without having symptoms, or be non contagious with symptoms...
14. To help protect yourself you should eat well and exercise, but eat whatever you have on hand as it's better not to go out shopping
15. It's important to get fresh air but don't go to parks but go for a walk. But don’t sit down, except if you are old, but not for too long or if you are pregnant or if you’re not old or pregnant but need to sit down. If you do sit down don’t eat your picnic
16. Don’t visit old people but you have to take care of the old people and bring them food and medication
17. If you are sick, you can go out when you are better but anyone else in your household can’t go out when you are better unless they need to go out
18. You can get restaurant food delivered to the house. These deliveries are safe. But groceries you bring back to your house have to be decontaminated outside for 3 hours including Pizza...
19. You can't see your older mother or grandmother, but they can take a taxi and meet an older taxi driver
20. You are safe if you maintain the safe social distance when out but you can’t go out with friends or strangers at the safe social distance
21. The virus remains active on different surfaces for two hours ... or four hours... six hours... I mean days, not hours... But it needs a damp environment. Or a cold environment that is warm and dry... in the air, as long as the air is not plastic
22. Schools are closed so you need to home educate your children, unless you can send them to school because you’re not at home. If you are at home you can home educate your children using various portals and virtual class rooms, unless you have poor internet, or more than one child and only one computer, or you are working from home. Baking cakes can be considered maths, science or art. If you are home educating you can include household chores to be education. If you are home educating you can start drinking at 10am
23. If you are not home educating children you can also start drinking at 10am
24. The number of corona related deaths will be announced daily but we don't know how many people are infected as they are only testing those who are almost dead to find out if that's what they will die of… the people who die of corona who aren’t counted won’t be counted
25. You should stay in locked down until the virus stops infecting people but it will only stop infecting people if we all get infected so it’s important we get infected and some don’t get infected
26. You can join your neighbours for a street party and turn your music up for an outside disco and your neighbours won’t call the police. People in another street are allowed to call the police about your music.
27. No business will go under due to Coronavirus except those businesses that will have already gone under.
 
. . . on the other hand a lot of the younger who recovered had a pretty torrid time.
True Jon but, equally, I doubt those that died behind the wheel of a car thought it was a barrel of laughs either.

Personally, I don't consider the manner of death from Covid 19 as being at all relevant. To anything. Look at it this way: if the virus somehow killed people in a 'nice' way - that is to say in a way that wasn't distressing to them and caused no pain, stress or anxiety - would we be doing anything different? To paraphrase n_t earlier, if the outcome is the same, there's little point in distinguishing between those that are plain evil and those that are merely incompetent. And the same principle applies to death from a virus, IMO.
Tim.
 
Governments around the world are full of idiots, there are no entry qualifications to be an MP.
If Labour had won the election and Jeremy Corbyn had gotten Coronovirus Dianne Abbot would be leading the country right now!
We need less government restrictions not more!

Agree!

Although you have to be the right sort of chap(ess) to be selected as a candidate.

And you also have to swear allegiance to the Queen, (not the people)

I'd happily fail on both counts .

Also, once you're in there, you're expected to put party before country, through the whip system..

I'd fail there too

..while paying lip service in public, by saying the exact opposite, using the opposition's (failed) policies as an excuse

Fail there too.

So there are qualifications, it's just that maybe some of us might not approve of them
 
True Jon but, equally, I doubt those that died behind the wheel of a car thought it was a barrel of laughs either.

Personally, I don't consider the manner of death from Covid 19 as being at all relevant. To anything. Look at it this way: if the virus somehow killed people in a 'nice' way - that is to say in a way that wasn't distressing to them and caused no pain, stress or anxiety - would we be doing anything different? To paraphrase n_t earlier, if the outcome is the same, there's little point in distinguishing between those that are plain evil and those that are merely incompetent. And the same principle applies to death from a virus, IMO.
Tim.

We seem to having communication problems today:). I was talking about those who had recovered having had a torrid time not those who died. Or have I misinterpreted your reply?
 
Aye, it‘s a heavy price to pay for keeping old codgers like me going. on the other hand a lot of the younger who recovered had a pretty torrid time.

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0-19- this figure is fabricated

40-59 this figure is fabricated

60-79 this figure is fabricated

80+ also fabricated

Since we are on a trading forum, I'd expect 1 or 2 members here to keep a record of the numbers I'm claiming are fabricated and then investigate

By the same token, I expect more members to put me on ignore.
 
But JK Rowling is an author, possibly the most solitary occupation in history....
What can she really say with credibility on working together?
 
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I want to know if there is a spread betting company who will provide a market on the number of times the word "Death" appears on the front page of a 'newspaper' I'm willing to Buy at 95% ( I believe there is still value at that point).
 
This is the inevitable result when Governments suffer from hubris. The intention is irrelevant, the result is always the same.
"The inefficiency of the communes and the large-scale diversion of farm labour into small-scale industry disrupted China’s agriculture seriously, and three consecutive years of natural calamities added to what quickly turned into a national disaster; in all, about 20 million people were estimated to have died of starvation between 1959 and 1962."

 
Those conferencing NEED to know this

Also...

 
What a virtue signalling prick, millions of us have either lost total income or are about to lose it all, and all celebrities can think of is how to virtue signal the hardest by taking a week off work.

We've just had a online music gig run by globalists and Elba is supporting the UN, need I say more!

 
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