Tom, are you selling signals ?

BSD · Dec 16, 2008

ceydababy said:
Without wanting to slander Traderdante I believe he sells his signals on line along with a few of the other guys at his prop firm.

http://www.trade2win.com/boards/general-trading-chat/47644-grey-leaving-us-10.html#post600904

ceydababy said:
Not complete nonsense. Check Dantes posts and you will see he mentions it. They may have made Tens of millions but not quite the Hundreds of Millions or even billions from trading that you seem to intimate puts you in the super trader category and thus not a signal vendor.

Your argument has more holes than a watering can my friend and you don't seem able to stay consistent. On one hand Dante is a superb trader who wouldn't stoop as low as to sell his signals (when he has stated himself that he does)

http://www.trade2win.com/boards/general-trading-chat/47644-grey-leaving-us-12.html#post601170

I know it's complete garbage from some guy I've never heard of before riding somewhere with the fairies, as anybody who has been present here the last years or so and with an ability to comprehend what they read knows that you are someone who has given so much for nothing here, so thought you'd like an opportunity to put down such a nasty rumour once and for all.

Directional · Dec 16, 2008

I seem to recall TD saying that one of his colleagues in the office puts signals into a collective2 performance tracking system for subscribers to follow.

Seems sensible to me, if his trades are profitable and dublicateable, extra money for something he does every day for his living.

I dont recall Tom ever saying that he does this himself though, though admittedly I havent been on here much of late.

BSD · Dec 16, 2008

Arbitrageur said:
I dont recall Tom ever saying that he does this himself though

Me neither mate, never.

All I have seen him do is generously giving lots of information for absolutely free that has apparently amde lots of people very good money already.

Thanks for the answer tho.

ceydababy · Dec 16, 2008

Arbitrageur said:
I seem to recall TD saying that one of his colleagues in the office puts signals into a collective2 performance tracking system for subscribers to follow.

Seems sensible to me, if his trades are profitable and dublicateable, extra money for something he does every day for his living.

I dont recall Tom ever saying that he does this himself though, though admittedly I havent been on here much of late.

My point exactly !

BSD · Dec 16, 2008

LOL !

WHERE DOES TOM SAY HE IS SELLING SIGNALS HERE ???

AND NOTHING CHANGES THE SIMPLE FACT THAT TOO MANY BABY CLOWNS FOLLOWING A SIGNAL SELLERS CALL CREATE ONLY ONE THING:

SLIPPAGE AND HENCE DISMAL AT BEST PERFORMANCE:

WHICH IS WHY, lol, SIGNAL SELLING IS A GAME BY LSOERS FOR LOSERS.

dilesh23 · Dec 16, 2008

Street Smart Global

that belongs to one of his colleagues, havent used it myself yet though, because i thought i could do better myself, but that might be changing very shortly

ceydababy · Dec 16, 2008

BSD said:
LOL !

WHERE DOES TOM SAY HE IS SELLING SIGNALS HERE ???

AND NOTHING CHANGES THE SIMPLE FACT THAT TOO MANY BABY CLOWNS FOLLOWING A SIGNAL SELLERS CALL CREATE ONLY ONE THING:

SLIPPAGE AND HENCE DISMAL AT BEST PERFORMANCE:

WHICH IS WHY, lol, SIGNAL SELLING IS A GAME BY LSOERS FOR LOSERS.

QUOTE FROM BSD:" Hell does that nonsense come from that trader dante OR any of his prop colleagues are flogging signals ?

What kind of complete, utter and total BS is that then ?

Those guys are traders and professionals at that, some of whom have made tens of millions from trading.

Why on earth would any of them feel the need to join the ranks of salesmen ?

Complete nonsense. "

It appears some of Dante's colleagues are selling signals. Are you going to retract the statement that I somehow invented this.

BSD · Dec 16, 2008

Huh ?

Where is anybody selling anything there ?

That's just a blog ?

AND againg demonstrating Ceydabys ignorance who refuses to realise the obvious, having dozens or even hundreds of baby clowns following your calls and who only pay peanuts for that privilege achieves nothing but slippage that at best severely dilutes your performance.

Which is why it is a game of losers for losers.

QED

dilesh23 · Dec 16, 2008

i think one of his colleagues was selling something on collective2, but no longer works with him, i forgot the name of the system though :-0

BSD · Dec 16, 2008

Yeah lets face it most people at prop firms end up failing too, its no different there than anywhere else, many feel called, few are chosen.

But one thing is clear, if you can make all the money in the world thru your own trading the last thing you'll do is create slippage for yourself because you're selling it on for absolute peanuts.

Paul71 · Dec 16, 2008

Markus, what do these people do? Are thier signals eod, mit for the next trading day.......based on indicators?

I know this question has a serious flaw in it, but it's intended.

Cheers.

BSD · Dec 16, 2008

Hi mate, do you mean Grey ?

If so his calls were real time, but way before he started his daily chat and when he was only doing his monthly live trading he clearly said back then he that he doesn't want too many people in the room because of slippage, so that in the current context only makes the whole venture even more ridiculous, hehe.

;-)

Paul71 · Dec 16, 2008

BSD said:
Hi mate, do you mean Grey ?

Any vendor.

BSD · Dec 16, 2008

Usually live I believe.

Although there was also this trading system or black box or whatever you want to call it called aberration or sthg - basically bollinger band breakouts with a trend following approach over many different markets - that apparently earned quite some good money for early signers-on - one Mark Johnson earned a cool million with that and showed his statements, but then it stopped working when it had too many subscribers, anyway, that was daily signals, market on open or on close or sthg, off of daily charts anyway, that was a big theme in boards some years ago.

Paul71 · Dec 16, 2008

BSD said:
Usually live I believe.

Although there was also this trading system or black box or whatever you want to call it called aberration or sthg - basically bollinger band breakouts with a trend following approach over many different markets - that apparently earned quite some good money for early signers-on - one Mark Johnson earned a cool million with that and showed his statements, but then it stopped working when it had too many subscribers, anyway, that was daily signals, market on open or on close or sthg, off of daily charts anyway, that was a big theme in boards some years ago.

I think most vendors use the word 'indicator' in thier marketing campaign because it sells better to the numpties in life. It traps people into thinking that once they see the indicator working they can go away and replicate the procedure, when in fact it was all in the PA.

Just a theory of course, Markus.

Cheers.

BSD · Dec 16, 2008

Re the ludicrous allegations that Tom is selling signals, the following which just a VERY quick cursory search revealed seems to indicate the complete opposite, lol:

trader_dante said:
Tencorp is presumably trying to prove that his "system" is worth the money it costs and I am trying to prove that a strategy offered for free can stand up to the challenge. The only outlay you need to learn it is time.

http://www.trade2win.com/boards/general-trading-chat/30317-tencorp-vs-trader_dante.html#post409901

trader_dante said:
I'll offer to put the strategy that I have offered for free to the test against ANY vendor out there. If you are interested we can do a side by side performance for everyone to watch?

http://www.trade2win.com/boards/t2w-feedback/30292-vendor-performance-thread.html#post409295

trader_dante said:
Isn't it funny how when you call a vendor out they all hide?

http://www.trade2win.com/boards/t2w-feedback/30292-vendor-performance-thread-2.html#post409367

trader_dante said:
I just think that if someone promises X amount per week/month/year as a result of their system or their teaching then they ought to prove it before charging. There are very few vendors that will put their **** on the line and say: "OK, I'll make a statistically significant number of live calls to prove I can make money" And why wouldn't they do this? They don't need to reveal anything about how their system works to do so and would, without a doubt, increase the number of sales. Plain and simple reason is that their systems don't work consistently.

http://www.trade2win.com/boards/t2w-feedback/30292-vendor-performance-thread-3.html#post409402

Pretty clear that TD doesn't want anything more to do with vendors than anybody else who can make real, compoundable money from trading itself.

JTrader · Dec 16, 2008

Silence breeds suspiscion!

BSD · Dec 16, 2008

Paul71 said:
I think most vendors use the word 'indicator' in thier marketing campaign because it sells better to the numpties in life. It traps people into thinking that once they see the indicator working they can go away and replicate the procedure, when in fact it was all in the PA.

Just a theory of course, Markus.

Cheers.

Hi Paul we posted at the same time hehe.

But I couldn't agree more.

Good trading mate.

brutusdog · Dec 16, 2008

BSD said:
LOL !

WHERE DOES TOM SAY HE IS SELLING SIGNALS HERE ???

AND NOTHING CHANGES THE SIMPLE FACT THAT TOO MANY BABY CLOWNS FOLLOWING A SIGNAL SELLERS CALL CREATE ONLY ONE THING:

SLIPPAGE AND HENCE DISMAL AT BEST PERFORMANCE:

WHICH IS WHY, lol, SIGNAL SELLING IS A GAME BY LSOERS FOR LOSERS.

slippage is totally not an issue.

Collective2 - The Trading System Authority

have a butchers there this is where you will find his signals.

brutusdog · Dec 16, 2008

does it really matter anyway, the real issue here is why pay for a hooker when you can w*nk for free?

Tom, are you selling signals ?

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