Pat, don't you think its a bit rich that you should start talking about lack of pride in our companies being a bad thing? I should have thought you would have preferred to see significant private British companies nationalised and their means of production placed in the hands of the state. Or have I misread your position?
Pat, don't you think its a bit rich that you should start talking about lack of pride in our companies being a bad thing? I should have thought you would have preferred to see significant private British companies nationalised and their means of production placed in the hands of the state. Or have I misread your position?
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I regret you seem to have labelled me some sort of Bolshevik.
I have merely cherry picked the best of the possibilities.
Have you ever known a divided team play well ?
It seems a no-brainer to me that a good performing team has everybody on the team as enthusiastic members. To get this support they need the proper incentives and encouragement. Too many CEOs never talk to their employees except to lecture them. I like hands on leaders rewarding their team members. Not the usual, them versus us, attitude of the 1960s. That still doesn't work.
I regret you seem to have labelled me some sort of Bolshevik.
I have merely cherry picked the best of the possibilities.
Have you ever known a divided team play well ?
It seems a no-brainer to me that a good performing team has everybody on the team as enthusiastic members. To get this support they need the proper incentives and encouragement. Too many CEOs never talk to their employees except to lecture them. I like hands on leaders rewarding their team members. Not the usual, them versus us, attitude of the 1960s. That still doesn't work.
But Pat, surely you mean the least politically suicidal of the possibilities? Surely you see the only moral ownership of the country's means of production as the state? Have you renounced socialism? (I do hope)
I don't care about likeable sociable CEO's. I want someone at the top who can make profit.
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I am not suggesting state control as per USSR.
Just the usual shares sold to raise money.
But not the usual pyramid system of 1 person at the top. paid a huge salary. The head of Barclays got a whopping £16 million a year before he was caught misbehaving.
Because all employees are paid according to the success of the company , they are likely to make a big effort. Not some average fellow on a huge wage and a disillusioned work force.
Maybe the top person should be elected from within the company. In fact one who has the confidence of his/her fellow workers. The near equality of wages would cut down the in fighting for lucrative top jobs.
Profits would be the goal of the company achieved with fair reward.
We do. Its just a question of how we do it.
So, where's the evidence that preventing foreign acquisitions of British companies would help our economy?
Are you sure that they are not moving out? Cataluña's uncertainty has meant that over 1000 companies left for Spain in the first quarter and in the second another 500.
These are, obviously,, not all large comanies and that is a serious problem for Cataluña.
How many companies have left the UK that you are not being told about?
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Personally I would rather work for a British company which is based in Britain, paying taxes for Britain than a foreign outfit. Self determination is a good point.
New Zealand has a law which keeps the controling interest in all their companies in NZ hands. A good idea. Stops the financiers from targeting the best ones and flogging them off.
No doubt very cosy for NZ business and their political friends. But can you show how this is good for the NZ economy?
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I have no figures but they seem happy with it.
It gives the workers security of employment and very importantly continuity. National interests are a priority. The difference between home ownership and living in rented accomodation.
In many cases bad laws are only good for winning votes.
The analogy with property is wrong. You're talking about renting or buying the entirety of your one and only home. When a company is taken over, it doesn't represent the sale of the entirety of the private sector.
Plus bringing in the "home" analogy is an appeal to sentimentality - we're all devotedly attached to our own homes, so whereas I ask for evidence, you shift the debate towards emotion..... You already introduced emotional shading to help your case when you said you'd "rather" work for a "British company" rather than a "foreign outfit". Not a great basis for national legislation surely.
So, still no evidence then Pat?
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I can see you are a committed globalisationist Tom.
In some cases I think that is good but not for others.
You may think my views are a bit radical but no not altogether really.
300 years ago a group of people, many ex navy and rejects, would get together in a common purpose.
They would elect a Captain from their number and serve him. The crew sometimes even changed Captains if they were dissatisfied with their present one.
They first paid the ship's expenses for re-fitting etc. and then shared out the loot. The Captain got 2 shares and the rest 1 share each. We know them today under the collective name of pirates. Well I am NOT proposing to rob anyone. I think a legitimate company could do well on similar but updated systems.
HOIST the Jolly Roger me hearties.....
In some cases I think that is good but not for others.
You may think my views are a bit radical but no not altogether really.
300 years ago a group of people, many ex navy and rejects, would get together in a common purpose.
They would elect a Captain from their number and serve him. The crew sometimes even changed Captains if they were dissatisfied with their present one.
They first paid the ship's expenses for re-fitting etc. and then shared out the loot. The Captain got 2 shares and the rest 1 share each. We know them today under the collective name of pirates. Well I am NOT proposing to rob anyone. I think a legitimate company could do well on similar but updated systems.
HOIST the Jolly Roger me hearties.....
Sounds like the Parliamentary Labour / Conservative / Liberal Democratic Party. And see how well that's working out for us.
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Where is manufacturing in the UK?
Do we have any?
Where has it gone?
We are not good at maintaining our house so it gets run down. Some peeps are simply not cut out for DIY or paid maintenance even get the professionals in. Professionals also end up being cowboys.
So what does one do?
Sell the house to a professional developer who's good at the job and live in rental accommodation.
Just change the evidence to manufacturing in your question and then provide an answer
Where is manufacturing in the UK?
Do we have any?
Where has it gone?
We are not good at maintaining our house so it gets run down. Some peeps are simply not cut out for DIY or paid maintenance even get the professionals in. Professionals also end up being cowboys.
So what does one do?
Sell the house to a professional developer who's good at the job and live in rental accommodation.
Just change the evidence to manufacturing in your question and then provide an answer
Manufacturing continues in the UK despite everything in the Daily Mail. In fact, its growing. The UK is the world’s eighth largest industrial nation: if current growth trends continue, the UK will break into the top five by 2021.
Of course, much manufacturing has moved abroad, and not uniquely due to foreign take-overs - for example, Dyson of all people moved most of its production to Malaysia in 2002.
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I'm an ex Master Mariner and I can tell you, now, that that is a load of ********! Sorry. I don't know any company that would operate under those circumstances, let alone insurers who would underwrite the ships or cargos.
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I suppose you are old school Split ?
Keep those pesky workers in their place and all that class tosh.
Times are changing.
Times, indeed ,are changing. When I went first went to sea British ships dominated the trade routes. Now, British ships are registered everywhere, except the UK. P&O, Cunard all trade under foreign flags and the number of foreign going ships can be counted on the fingers of one hand. I wonder what has happened to those seafaring communities?
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It seems that up and coming nations look at the old has beens as targets on a " anything you can do, we can do better ".
We mustn't give up or be too generous to our competitors imho.
Trump seems to have encapsulated the basics into his eratic ideas for a fight back.
I think that it is a question of taxes and all round cheapness of operating costs.
