The Simplest Trading Method In The World

That's the last discussion of round numbers. Look at the chart and see how price reacts at 2300. If you still don't get it, try looking the chart with your f***ing eyes open.

Round numbers have never meant anything to me. There is only places where price reacted to. They may or may not tie in with BRN's. Go down a BRN in the NQ. What about 2200? Sweet FA. The level is at 2206 or 2193.
 
Round numbers have never meant anything to me. There is only places where price reacted to. They may or may not tie in with BRN's. Go down a BRN in the NQ. What about 2200? Sweet FA. The level is at 2206 or 2193.

Fair enough. I miss a lot of trades because of my preferences, some good, some bad. Far more bad than good, but that just comes down to how I trade.

By the way, I've come from the same place you have, I'm surprised you don't like them.

I'd also question whether people are really rushing in or out of the market because price is at or near 2206. I'd be surprised if someone who's been around as long as you thinks that things happen to the point or pip.

I look at the chart and think price is pivoting around because people are interested in the area around 2200. You look at the chart and think they're interested in 2206 and 2193. That's fine, whatever you perceive is perfectly valid in my opinion.

As it happens, I far prefer it when the number is pierced, instead of just touched, I think it gives a far stronger signal. I would have thought that it would also be a fairly useful concept for someone training new traders, a very easy way of keeping people away from the traps that all new "price action" traders (for want of a better term) fall into.

What matters is finding a workable method, and that is unique to everybody - certainly to everybody who wants to trade using things like this. In the end though, it is all just opinion. You've got yours, and I've got the truth :).

Thanks for dropping in by the way (y).

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Also, see this comment a couple of posts up:

Round numbers are just something I happen to like - 10s and 100s on NQ, 100s and 1000s on YM etc. But you can use whatever you want - pivot points, support and resistance price flips, any area that has significance, where you think there might be interest.
 

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BTW - just this tidbid on your set-up and using 15min - on another thread I said I was in that phase of sifting out the cr@p trades - this has helped - just sticking a 15m chart on with my 5m as a filter - tells me on reversals whether I've got a good un or whether I should bail on the 5mn at the first sign of weakness, take a little off the table and then fade back into the trend.....

ta
 
By the way, I've come from the same place you have, I'm surprised you don't like them.

I had a bad experience with them.

I mentioned them to a hugely successful trader that owned the prop work I worked at and that uses S/R primarly in his trading and he pretty much threw me out of his office.

I'd be surprised if someone who's been around as long as you thinks that things happen to the point or pip.

I don't think anything. I've just noticed that prices react to where I draw my levels. And I draw them where I see them without looking at what the price is. That's all I'm saying :)

At any rate, nice thread!
 
Re round numbers on indices do you look at futures price, or (for want of a better term) "spot"?
 
Re round numbers on indices do you look at futures price, or (for want of a better term) "spot"?

Don't get too hung up on it. For me they are just areas of significance (as you can see above, respected and experienced people disagree with me completely, which is fine and to be expected). Try drawing them on - if they help, keep them, if they don't, ditch them. Same with anything - use MACD divergence if you want, fibs if you want (don't see much point, you can eyeball both to be honest), whatever you demonstrate to yourself helps you. The key for me is not just finding "good" trades, but giving myself an excuse to stay out of "bad" trades.

Trader Dante makes a good point - what we are looking at on is trading off support and resistance. We want to build up the case as much as possible. A number on it's own is OK, one at an S/R flip is good, one at an S/R flip and a pivot point is even better, one at an S/R flip and a pivot point and a trend line with divergence etc etc etc.

This is March futures, or rather the bucket shop equivalent, which I have never had a problem with. There's no better term than "spot" for forex, but since this is indices a better term is "cash" :).
 
Hi Pazienza,
I concur with DT's comment: good thread - but why all the effing and blinding? I can only assume you're a northerner.
;)

Re. round numbers - I've always been a fan of them - as are many traders here on T2W. Anyone who follows Mr. Charts' thread will know that he pays close attention to them. However, I suspect they're a bigger deal for stock traders than they are for futures traders. Why? Because there are far more amateur stock traders / investors than there are amateur futures traders. I doubt that pros care two hoots whether they enter / exit the market at a round number or just above or below it. They get in or out because that's what they want to do and they pay little attention to the exact number - round or not. But, as you said in your OP, this is just my view and it doesn't in any way negate your basic argument, which is well explained and as simple as you promised it would be. Good thread - keep it up!
(y)
Tim.
 
hi Pazienza,

having established your method, are you going to expand upon:
1: the risk you apply to each trade, ie, is the stop loss (should you use them), beyond the tip of the pin?
2: how you quantify the amount of return from the trade? (do you have fixed, or dynamic methods of knowing the move is exhausted)
3: do you trade bigger if the RN pin is also coincident with a weekly or monthly strength RN?
4:One comment you made was to "forget the move went 5R"; do then take all your profits in one go? ie, no scaling out in case of big runs?

thanks
 
Fascinating thread – a system so simple that you’d be too busy trying to think of something more complicated to notice that it’s right there staring you in the face!

I’ve done some quick, visual back-testing of this on various charts and it seems to be spot-on! It’s so easy to spot once you’re ‘thinking simple’. I’m now seeing loads of support and resistance at, or very close to, big round-numbered prices, and some pretty clear price action where the big reversals take place – You don’t even need to start drawing on the chart – it’s all just there staring straight back at you.

As Trader Dante points out, S/R levels aren’t always exactly at the big rounded-numbers, but what I have observed is that, mostly, S/R occurs sufficiently close to those ‘rounded’ prices that you could easily consider those prices as the centre-points for a slightly wider S/R ‘zone’ in which to look for definitive price action.

I’m not one for buying into the concept of there being a ‘holy grail’, but this is as close as anything has come to confirming that such a thing could exist!

Thanks to Pazienza for sharing!
 
I may be new here, but this is an epic post! Keep em comin'

I am very much a numbers guy, so I look at these charts and just see so many patterns. I guess one of my biggest questions, and one that I imagine has many answers, is what makes a stock price change? I see the trades rolling through above/below/at the market/bid/ask price, but who says "this is the price of that stock"? Is there some dude (market maker or specialist) or a computer or a mix of the latest prices based on volume at each price point? I don't mean to hijack your thread, I'm just trying to understand the basis for it.
 
Pazienza said:
I've been encouraged to contribute something useful instead of just f***ing around the whole time.

WTF is this? DON'T DO IT, MAN!!!

OK, who is the pm'ing lulz killer?

Seeing who the OP was I popped in expecting lulz up the ****. Instead I find some good stuff and very little fluff.
Might as well put Mr. Pazienza on ignore now.

Peter
 
Just a quick detour. There is a member of this site who has something like "If I get to 3500 posts, somebody shoot me" as his signature.

So glad I could assist with your thread.

This has been an interesting read so far. Although I trade differently from this, the two aspects of your approach I like are that you keep it simple, and attempt to benefit from a human bias, i.e. regarding round numbers as important.

Mind yer language tho -- do you think you're the Tony Montana of trading??
 
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