TheBramble
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Re: Guerrilla Marketing
Is it just me getting tetchy becuase it's a non-trading weekday...
OR
...is it really 'flood us with commercial trading systems and tips but-I'm-really-a-newbie-honest' day...OR WHAT???
pchees said:
Is it just me getting tetchy becuase it's a non-trading weekday...
OR
...is it really 'flood us with commercial trading systems and tips but-I'm-really-a-newbie-honest' day...OR WHAT???
I sent a PM to Martin Walker a few weeks ago knowing that I was going to be in Glasgow last week. Alas, no reply.
He was, for a short time, very active on these boards around June 2003 and there was a post from him in September 2003, since when very little has been heard of him. I'm concerned that he may have bailed-out!
There is a writer in Scotland writing under the name of Martin Walker, but I don't know if it is the same fellow; I doubt it.
Certainly, he was a most stringent advocate of Mr. Charts as can be seen from the majority of the posts in June 2003, and despite my attempts to contact him there is no response. I do hope he is okay.
Sean
He was, for a short time, very active on these boards around June 2003 and there was a post from him in September 2003, since when very little has been heard of him. I'm concerned that he may have bailed-out!
There is a writer in Scotland writing under the name of Martin Walker, but I don't know if it is the same fellow; I doubt it.
Certainly, he was a most stringent advocate of Mr. Charts as can be seen from the majority of the posts in June 2003, and despite my attempts to contact him there is no response. I do hope he is okay.
Sean
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pchees,
Yes but knowing if people will react to make the stock move up or down is a total guess until it actually starts to move and we see this everyday on news stocks on the Nasdaq.
There are a number of sources for news stocks some of which are free.
Paul
Yes but knowing if people will react to make the stock move up or down is a total guess until it actually starts to move and we see this everyday on news stocks on the Nasdaq.
There are a number of sources for news stocks some of which are free.
Paul
Ok
First to 'TheBramble'
I swear that I have no association with these guys.
I was just pointing out that you could get this system for a lot cheaper than £1777.
But you did make me chuckle so thank you.
To Trader 333
Doesn't matter which way it goes. You set up positions on either side of the price. If it goes up you buy (and the sell order is deleted) and visa versa. (i.e. ono, one cancels the other).
You need to clear at least 2% to make a real profit of course but this does work.
I realise that there are an awful lot of fraudsters out there and I completely understand peoples' cynicism.
The trouble is that some of the systems out there do work but people are so fed up they are to worried to try them.
By the way I have not tried the skilltrader system myself but I am thinking about it. If I go for it I will publish my results.
I think what is needed is some kind of independent group who will try all of these services out and publish their results. Something that can be adjudicated by a third party maybe. It's something I would love to do if I had the money and time.
P.
First to 'TheBramble'
I swear that I have no association with these guys.
I was just pointing out that you could get this system for a lot cheaper than £1777.
But you did make me chuckle so thank you.
To Trader 333
Doesn't matter which way it goes. You set up positions on either side of the price. If it goes up you buy (and the sell order is deleted) and visa versa. (i.e. ono, one cancels the other).
You need to clear at least 2% to make a real profit of course but this does work.
I realise that there are an awful lot of fraudsters out there and I completely understand peoples' cynicism.
The trouble is that some of the systems out there do work but people are so fed up they are to worried to try them.
By the way I have not tried the skilltrader system myself but I am thinking about it. If I go for it I will publish my results.
I think what is needed is some kind of independent group who will try all of these services out and publish their results. Something that can be adjudicated by a third party maybe. It's something I would love to do if I had the money and time.
P.
Gorillas, Collagen & the Internet
Hi folks. New member, first post
Not personally aware of the gorrilla trading scheme though
I do wonder if someone is trying to make a monkey out of me -
Jim Sheridan of CMS Publications mailed me this morning an offer to make £110,174 in 24 hours if I bought a video for £52 including shipping and VAT.
The video would show "very specific and exact ways to create multiple streams of 'auto-pilot' income as an Internet Deal Broker"
A bonus includes a free handbook(value £97) -
"How to make a living on E-Bay."
The deal includes 4 other bonus offers -
Internet Deal Broker software (worth £50)
£200 voucher for web site design
A foolish secret which could make you 100K in 3 months
+ a secret bonus (value £100)
in total value £447
with a"rock solid" money back guarantee" if returned within 28 days;
the whole deal sounding just too good to pass over.
When I started to check out CMS I found that their expertise is not limited to gorilla trading and Internet deal broking.
CMS Publications have been active in the medical arena
in the past marketing "Pure Collagen" :-
I copy from the following link-
http://www.asa.org.uk/adjudications...how_advertisers&dates_of_adjudications_id=552
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Reading Trading Standards department objected to a direct mailing, for a business opportunity, that was headlined "... At last! A REAL Business With A Breakthrough Product For YOU To Cash In On The Next Craze!". It stated "... Pure collagen ... proved to be THE anti-ageing miracle of the day ... it's available in tablet form. Bye-bye surgery, hello huge profits for a few people! ... Its recently been PROVEN that Type II Pure collagen drastically reduces arthritis! Furthermore, if you combined pure collagen with ingredients such as Vitamin C and Aloe Vera, evidence suggests this might even CURE arthritis! It does this by actually replacing the lack of cartilage that leads to arthritis. Dr. Alex Duarte, O.D. Ph.D., specialist in arthritis studies states: ... Collagen type II contains glucosamine sulfate which has over 30 years of double-blind, placebo-controlled studies indicating that it actually helps to rebuild the cartilage in arthritis joints ... I'm offering you a chance to get on board and grant you the license to offer Col-Ease to the millions of people who desperately need it! ... You'll receive an operations manual ... a CD-ROM packed with ready-to-go adverts, flyers, web-site material, brochures, letters, testimonials ... I'm also giving you ?3,000 Worth Of Stock Absolutely FREE!! ... 3 packages cost your customer ?120 ... You bought those 3 packages for ?24 meaning a profit for YOU of ?96 per order usually. Do you know of how many businesses can only dream about such profit margins? ... ?3355-80 A MONTH? No Problem! ... you'll be surprised to learn the cost of the Col-Ease collagen business license is only ?2997 plus VAT! ...". The complainants challenged whether the advertisers:
1. could prove the efficacy of the product and
2. had made medicinal claims for an unauthorised product.
The Authority challenged whether:
3. the mailing might discourage recipients from receiving essential treatment for the serious medical condition arthritis and
4. the advertisers could substantiate the earnings claims for the business opportunity.
Codes Section: 3.1, 7.1, 50.1, 50.3, 50.11, 52.5 (Ed 11)
1. Complaint upheld
The Authority noted the advertisers did not send clinical trials testing the advertised product. It considered that the advertisers' evidence did not substantiate the claimed efficacy of the product and advised the advertisers to amend the advertisement with help from the CAP Copy Advice team.
2. Complaint upheld
The Authority understood from the MHRA that the advertisers' product did not have a marketing authorisation. It considered that the claims that referred to arthritis were medicinal claims for an unauthorised product. The Authority welcomed the advertisers' assurance that the mailing had been amended and that distributors had been told that the product was not a cure or treatment for arthritis.
3. Upheld
The Authority was concerned that the advertisement referred to arthritis, which was a serious medical condition, and considered that claims such as "this might even cure arthritis" might discourage recipients from receiving essential treatment for arthritis. The Authority welcomed the advertisers' assurance that the mailing had been amended and that they would consult the CAP Copy Advice team for future marketing communications.
4. Upheld
The Authority considered that, because the advertisers had not shown that distributors could earn between ?3,350 and ?3,380 each month, the mailing was misleading. It advised the advertisers to remove the earnings claims from the mailing and welcomed their assurance that they would consult the CAP Copy Advice team for future marketing communications.
Where four specific complaints about their advertising were
upheld.
<
JS states that Internet Deal Broking produces £110,174 in 24
hours (presumably he cleared this with the CAP Copy Advice Team) so I was just a tad surprised to find that that he feels the need, or has the time, to punt collagen and gorillas to boost his income stream as well.
Following the thread of source origination, there is an
established fleet-of-foot city organisation, streets ahead of their competitors in the provision of mailing lists for companies like CMS to use when promoting their 'opportunities.'
I have been the recipient of literally hundreds of offers of this nature (including MCI - Star Trader) since 1996. If I had kept them all it would have filled three bin liners for sure.
Apologies for the length
Hi folks. New member, first post
Not personally aware of the gorrilla trading scheme though
I do wonder if someone is trying to make a monkey out of me -
Jim Sheridan of CMS Publications mailed me this morning an offer to make £110,174 in 24 hours if I bought a video for £52 including shipping and VAT.
The video would show "very specific and exact ways to create multiple streams of 'auto-pilot' income as an Internet Deal Broker"
A bonus includes a free handbook(value £97) -
"How to make a living on E-Bay."
The deal includes 4 other bonus offers -
Internet Deal Broker software (worth £50)
£200 voucher for web site design
A foolish secret which could make you 100K in 3 months
+ a secret bonus (value £100)
in total value £447
with a"rock solid" money back guarantee" if returned within 28 days;
the whole deal sounding just too good to pass over.
When I started to check out CMS I found that their expertise is not limited to gorilla trading and Internet deal broking.
CMS Publications have been active in the medical arena
in the past marketing "Pure Collagen" :-
I copy from the following link-
http://www.asa.org.uk/adjudications...how_advertisers&dates_of_adjudications_id=552
<
Reading Trading Standards department objected to a direct mailing, for a business opportunity, that was headlined "... At last! A REAL Business With A Breakthrough Product For YOU To Cash In On The Next Craze!". It stated "... Pure collagen ... proved to be THE anti-ageing miracle of the day ... it's available in tablet form. Bye-bye surgery, hello huge profits for a few people! ... Its recently been PROVEN that Type II Pure collagen drastically reduces arthritis! Furthermore, if you combined pure collagen with ingredients such as Vitamin C and Aloe Vera, evidence suggests this might even CURE arthritis! It does this by actually replacing the lack of cartilage that leads to arthritis. Dr. Alex Duarte, O.D. Ph.D., specialist in arthritis studies states: ... Collagen type II contains glucosamine sulfate which has over 30 years of double-blind, placebo-controlled studies indicating that it actually helps to rebuild the cartilage in arthritis joints ... I'm offering you a chance to get on board and grant you the license to offer Col-Ease to the millions of people who desperately need it! ... You'll receive an operations manual ... a CD-ROM packed with ready-to-go adverts, flyers, web-site material, brochures, letters, testimonials ... I'm also giving you ?3,000 Worth Of Stock Absolutely FREE!! ... 3 packages cost your customer ?120 ... You bought those 3 packages for ?24 meaning a profit for YOU of ?96 per order usually. Do you know of how many businesses can only dream about such profit margins? ... ?3355-80 A MONTH? No Problem! ... you'll be surprised to learn the cost of the Col-Ease collagen business license is only ?2997 plus VAT! ...". The complainants challenged whether the advertisers:
1. could prove the efficacy of the product and
2. had made medicinal claims for an unauthorised product.
The Authority challenged whether:
3. the mailing might discourage recipients from receiving essential treatment for the serious medical condition arthritis and
4. the advertisers could substantiate the earnings claims for the business opportunity.
Codes Section: 3.1, 7.1, 50.1, 50.3, 50.11, 52.5 (Ed 11)
1. Complaint upheld
The Authority noted the advertisers did not send clinical trials testing the advertised product. It considered that the advertisers' evidence did not substantiate the claimed efficacy of the product and advised the advertisers to amend the advertisement with help from the CAP Copy Advice team.
2. Complaint upheld
The Authority understood from the MHRA that the advertisers' product did not have a marketing authorisation. It considered that the claims that referred to arthritis were medicinal claims for an unauthorised product. The Authority welcomed the advertisers' assurance that the mailing had been amended and that distributors had been told that the product was not a cure or treatment for arthritis.
3. Upheld
The Authority was concerned that the advertisement referred to arthritis, which was a serious medical condition, and considered that claims such as "this might even cure arthritis" might discourage recipients from receiving essential treatment for arthritis. The Authority welcomed the advertisers' assurance that the mailing had been amended and that they would consult the CAP Copy Advice team for future marketing communications.
4. Upheld
The Authority considered that, because the advertisers had not shown that distributors could earn between ?3,350 and ?3,380 each month, the mailing was misleading. It advised the advertisers to remove the earnings claims from the mailing and welcomed their assurance that they would consult the CAP Copy Advice team for future marketing communications.
Where four specific complaints about their advertising were
upheld.
<
JS states that Internet Deal Broking produces £110,174 in 24
hours (presumably he cleared this with the CAP Copy Advice Team) so I was just a tad surprised to find that that he feels the need, or has the time, to punt collagen and gorillas to boost his income stream as well.
Following the thread of source origination, there is an
established fleet-of-foot city organisation, streets ahead of their competitors in the provision of mailing lists for companies like CMS to use when promoting their 'opportunities.'
I have been the recipient of literally hundreds of offers of this nature (including MCI - Star Trader) since 1996. If I had kept them all it would have filled three bin liners for sure.
Apologies for the length
growltiger
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Guerilla is also email marketed by Market Prophet, with claims that Geurilla is the most exciting development, and "they" at MP are all trading the system like dervishes. Market Prophet are an organisation that markets coaching ("education" in their terms) by a telesales approach. Mr Nice calls first, and explains to you that they can explain how to make your subscription cash positive, provided you use your credit card correctly. Mr Nasty makes the follow up call, and tells you that you should charge the cost of the course to your card, and treat the interest as an expense against your first three months of trading the system, under the supervision of the coach. Ergo, you never had to pay for the course. Enough said. When I did not take up this generous offer, Mr Nasty told me that I would undoubtedly lose my capital trading, as I did not have the capacity to make a positive decision (ie to take up the said offer). Following this experience, I have not checked out Guerilla. But the Stanzione connection seems consistent....
skill trader website
Hi there
Just wondering if you subscribed to the above website at $100 a month and how sucessfull you have been with it.
Kind regards
Paulo
[email protected]
Hi there
Just wondering if you subscribed to the above website at $100 a month and how sucessfull you have been with it.
Kind regards
Paulo
[email protected]
positve from Guerilla Stock Trading
It has been enlightening finding this forum. Like a lot of you I often receive these type of mail shots, usually wanting £xxxxx's up front. This one made me look twice and do some investigateing and I came up with similar results plus I found this forum.
For me there at least has been the positive of finding a forum that I can run these types of offer past if they haven't gone straight in the bin.
It has been enlightening finding this forum. Like a lot of you I often receive these type of mail shots, usually wanting £xxxxx's up front. This one made me look twice and do some investigateing and I came up with similar results plus I found this forum.
For me there at least has been the positive of finding a forum that I can run these types of offer past if they haven't gone straight in the bin.
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hi there
i have been subscribed to CMS/James Edward for more than 2 years. The 5 secrets, master class, the big picture are to name a few of the courses that i have done with him. anyone read the 5 secrets!? i want to share opinion, for the time being ill make no comment on the material!
regarding the Guerrilla Stock Trading System. i did buy it in the intention of sending it back if i did not like it. i must admit that was taking the ****... i am not exaggerating, it was the most **** thing i have ever read in my life. how they valued it at £1777 beats me... you could buy a book for £10 and i promice would have more information in it... it was stating the obvious, the principle behind it makes sence, basically the mailshot you got had most of the detail in there! it wasnt even spelt and printed correctly!! the CD's that came with it had the worstest sound ever! came on 4 CD's which i found to be less than 100Mbytes combined!! im sooooo glad i did end up getting a refund on it. it went through how you use the **** dealing platform!! screenshots of finspread i think!, you could have that kind of info for free!. and very very basic stuff like how to trade etc enuff said...
another james edwards snippet....
so called james edwards went abroad to LA to find out about a trading system, how did i know this? he mailed me to let me know like many others!, in a week i received a mail advising me to check my mail in in a few days giving a date AND time. i did and i saw the mailshot, he said that he written the mailshot in a few hours in his hotel room! what a coencident that the system he went to check out he liked! the way the shot was written was as if it is the holy grail and there are only a few places left!! from what i remember he actually mentioned that they are only a few left as he speaks! what the hell does he take us for!! and said something like in 24 there wont be any left. LOL. i took no notice as ive become used to the way he persuades and takes us as fools, i just laffed it off, a week later i received it in the post, same one! what happened to the 24 hours... hmmmm LOL. then again another one in 2 weeks (with the different courses) so i decided to have a look only for the money back gurantee, if i had read this board i wouldnt have.. anyway i paid for it on card over the phone. a week later i recieved a letter saying unfortunatly they have all gone!, he ordered more and even they had been sold out becuase of the high demand!! they can only publish certain amounts as it could affect the stockmarket as a whole if everyone has it!!!! but at the bottom it said but as you are my loyal customer i will specially order one more. what made me laff even more is that it was on my mums name who wasnt ever his customer!! theres much more to it but its been time and ive slept since then!
anyone read the 5 secrets? im currently subscribed to "the big picture" which i is very usefull..(sorry to contradict!)
i have been subscribed to CMS/James Edward for more than 2 years. The 5 secrets, master class, the big picture are to name a few of the courses that i have done with him. anyone read the 5 secrets!? i want to share opinion, for the time being ill make no comment on the material!
regarding the Guerrilla Stock Trading System. i did buy it in the intention of sending it back if i did not like it. i must admit that was taking the ****... i am not exaggerating, it was the most **** thing i have ever read in my life. how they valued it at £1777 beats me... you could buy a book for £10 and i promice would have more information in it... it was stating the obvious, the principle behind it makes sence, basically the mailshot you got had most of the detail in there! it wasnt even spelt and printed correctly!! the CD's that came with it had the worstest sound ever! came on 4 CD's which i found to be less than 100Mbytes combined!! im sooooo glad i did end up getting a refund on it. it went through how you use the **** dealing platform!! screenshots of finspread i think!, you could have that kind of info for free!. and very very basic stuff like how to trade etc enuff said...
another james edwards snippet....
so called james edwards went abroad to LA to find out about a trading system, how did i know this? he mailed me to let me know like many others!, in a week i received a mail advising me to check my mail in in a few days giving a date AND time. i did and i saw the mailshot, he said that he written the mailshot in a few hours in his hotel room! what a coencident that the system he went to check out he liked! the way the shot was written was as if it is the holy grail and there are only a few places left!! from what i remember he actually mentioned that they are only a few left as he speaks! what the hell does he take us for!! and said something like in 24 there wont be any left. LOL. i took no notice as ive become used to the way he persuades and takes us as fools, i just laffed it off, a week later i received it in the post, same one! what happened to the 24 hours... hmmmm LOL. then again another one in 2 weeks (with the different courses) so i decided to have a look only for the money back gurantee, if i had read this board i wouldnt have.. anyway i paid for it on card over the phone. a week later i recieved a letter saying unfortunatly they have all gone!, he ordered more and even they had been sold out becuase of the high demand!! they can only publish certain amounts as it could affect the stockmarket as a whole if everyone has it!!!! but at the bottom it said but as you are my loyal customer i will specially order one more. what made me laff even more is that it was on my mums name who wasnt ever his customer!! theres much more to it but its been time and ive slept since then!
anyone read the 5 secrets? im currently subscribed to "the big picture" which i is very usefull..(sorry to contradict!)
Hi Destiny,
When you mention CMS are you referring to their dealing platform for FX? I've recently downloaded the demo version- it seems ok to me- have you had any particular bad experiences with this firm (rather than the individual you have mentioned in your post?).
Could you also tell me what connection James Edward
has with this firm.
Cheers,
Mick
When you mention CMS are you referring to their dealing platform for FX? I've recently downloaded the demo version- it seems ok to me- have you had any particular bad experiences with this firm (rather than the individual you have mentioned in your post?).
Could you also tell me what connection James Edward
has with this firm.
Cheers,
Mick
hi mick,
no, the CMS im talking about is different, its a publishing company not a dealing platform for FX (unless james has gone a step further, LOL) so james edwards has nothing to do with the trading platform. he is the so called course director of CMS publishing company. hope that helps.
no, the CMS im talking about is different, its a publishing company not a dealing platform for FX (unless james has gone a step further, LOL) so james edwards has nothing to do with the trading platform. he is the so called course director of CMS publishing company. hope that helps.
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vto rsi system
Appreciate your feedback on its adjusted 13% annualized. Could you point me to other systems you feel could exceed it, yet maintain the simplicity?
Tia Steve
Appreciate your feedback on its adjusted 13% annualized. Could you point me to other systems you feel could exceed it, yet maintain the simplicity?
Tia Steve
JonnyT said:
Jim Sheridan and CMS
Hello all
Received a mailing from Jim Sheridan / CMS re making oodles of money and after much thought and 28 day money back phoned and passed my credit card number for an amount of £54.
Received package another booklet re Guerrilla trading £1770 only 340 places available, a VHS tape of Jim describing how to set up a selling system on Google and a CD with various freebies and other offers.
Entered his name and CMS on Google and your forum came up and of course returned the package to Jim still waiting for money to be returned.
Enjoy reading the forum, certainly gives me thought having led a sheltered life and not knowing what happens in the big wide world
Hello all
Received a mailing from Jim Sheridan / CMS re making oodles of money and after much thought and 28 day money back phoned and passed my credit card number for an amount of £54.
Received package another booklet re Guerrilla trading £1770 only 340 places available, a VHS tape of Jim describing how to set up a selling system on Google and a CD with various freebies and other offers.
Entered his name and CMS on Google and your forum came up and of course returned the package to Jim still waiting for money to be returned.
Enjoy reading the forum, certainly gives me thought having led a sheltered life and not knowing what happens in the big wide world
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HI, Well I have the system and I can tell you paper trading it seems to work well and I've had 10 straight (paper) profits and two no trades. It trades on short term 1 & 2% moves and does make sense as it's driven by good news. It relies on big company news and the markets really do move while you're watching them, you have a news feed from esignal and you can trade in the afternoon. I haven't lost any money (yet!) he says touching wood. Hey! it works for me and I'll keep you posted.
