The end of the EU

History ( I'm a fan of history ) shows that when times get hard then the mob blames an unpopular minority group, like foreigners, Jews etc.

Keep this in mind before disappearing off to foreign parts imho
 
Pat494 said:
History ( I'm a fan of history ) shows that when times get hard then the mob blames an unpopular minority group, like foreigners, Jews etc.

Keep this in mind before disappearing off to foreign parts imho
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Hi, Pat! Still at it, I see! 😀

We are having great weather. That's what gets people out here! You lot are so bloody miserable---always worrying about money.
 
Splitlink said:
Hi, Pat! Still at it, I see! 😀

We are having great weather. That's what gets people out here! You lot are so bloody miserable---always worrying about money.
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I'm sure you are only being facetious. But money represents a person's work and sacrifice. THAT is why they worry about it. Easy come easy go, but normal people want to have AND KEEP what they have EARNED in return for sacrificing their time and labour. Theft by a gang of thugs or Government is the same thing, only a scatterbrain would think it isn't.
 
new_trader said:
I'm sure you are only being facetious. But money represents a person's work and sacrifice. THAT is why they worry about it. Easy come easy go, but normal people want to have AND KEEP what they have EARNED in return for sacrificing their time and labour. Theft by a gang of thugs or Government is the same thing, only a scatterbrain would think it isn't.
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Anyone who puts his money in a foreign bank account undertakes unknown risk.
But you can say the same about banks that are household names, as we all know.

As for brokers and SB firms, enough has been said on this site about them, already.

Why are you guys always picking on Europe? Don't you have enough foreigners in your own place?
 
Splitlink said:
Hi, Pat! Still at it, I see! 😀

We are having great weather. That's what gets people out here! You lot are so bloody miserable---always worrying about money.
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So glad you are enjoying life , cheers me up no end !!

It all comes down to promoting those made of the right stuff imho , not the monkeys.

🙂
 
Splitlink said:
Anyone who puts his money in a foreign bank account undertakes unknown risk.
But you can say the same about banks that are household names, as we all know.

As for brokers and SB firms, enough has been said on this site about them, already.

Why are you guys always picking on Europe? Don't you have enough foreigners in your own place?
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What on earth are you talking about Split? A Cypriot being unfairly taxed is a foreigner? This isn't about Cyprus, this is about theft of private property. You asserted that 'we' (in the UK) worry too much about money and I explained why 'we' do. If you don't worry about your money so much, good for you...enjoy the sunshine, I'm sure you can buy plenty of things with it.
 
new_trader said:
What on earth are you talking about Split? A Cypriot being unfairly taxed is a foreigner? This isn't about Cyprus, this is about theft of private property. You asserted that 'we' (in the UK) worry too much about money and I explained why 'we' do. If you don't worry about your money so much, good for you...enjoy the sunshine, I'm sure you can buy plenty of things with it.
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I don't worry about my money any less than anyone else does. That is, these days, normal stuff. Do you ,really, believe that, just because you are Brits, your money is in the best of hands, after all that the clients of Northern Rock, Lloyds, RBS and all the rest, have gone through? If anyone believes that their capital is best guarded abroad, and there have been lots, then they run the risk of being at the mercy of the government of the country and bank that has the money.

Theft? Don't make me laugh! This is a country desperately trying to survive and the other countries, comprising the Eurozone, are willing to bail it out when they, themselves are up to their eyeballs, in debt.

This can happen to any of us and although I am sorry for Cypriot bank accounts, it's going to be their fault. If anything happens to us, like that, in Spain, you can be sure that I will not find many friends. A lot of simpathy, perhaps, but that does not buy the baby a new dress.

I may be making light of this but, really, there is no point in doing anything else.
 
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Splitlink said:
Theft? Don't make me laugh! This is a country desperately trying to survive and the other countries, comprising the Eurozone, are willing to bail it out when they, themselves are up to their eyeballs, in debt.
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Splitlink if the forced converscation of 10% of all your deposits is not theft I would like to know what it is?! As I far as I know there are only four options when taking money from someone they are: in reciept of payment for goods or services rendered, in reciept of a loan form said lender with the promise to repay, as a gift or fourthly via forced converscation (all tax is forced converscation).

Splitlink said:
This can happen to any of us and although I am sorry for Cypriot bank accounts, it's going to be their fault.
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How on earth is it a Cypriot residents fault that their government and banks became so indebted via fiscal mismanagement and hubris. Are you saying that me personally in the U.K. am responsible for Gordon Brown's extreme profligacy and RBS's blind arrogance and stupidity when/if it becomes our turn for a bailout ?
 
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libertas said:
Splitlink if the forced converscation of 10% of all your eposits is not theft I would like to know what it is?! As I far as I know there are only four options when taking money from someone they are: in reciept of payment for goods or services rendered, in reciept of a loan form said lender with the promise to repay, as a gift or fourthly via forced converscation (all tax is forced converscation).




How on earth is it a Cypriot residents fault that their government and banks became so indebted via fiscal mismangement and hubris. Are you saying that me personally in the U.K. am responsible for Gordon Brown's extreme profligacy and RBS's blind arrogance and stupidity when/if it becomes our turn for a bailout ?
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Whether it is theft, or not, is always debatable, the outcome depends on the side of the fence you are on. Bank debt to Cyprus GDP is 8:1. Work that out.

This theft has been going on by the developed from underdeveloped world ever since Columbus. The British and Spanish Empires plus US capitalism know all about theft.

This is a specific case saying ,"what are they go ing to do?" There is nothing, much, that can be done without the Brussels and Cypriot governments sorting it out,unless you guys, in the UK want to bail them out. Try that one with Cameron, I'm sure that idea would go down well.

Is it your fault for Gordon Brown? I'm, afraid so, although you may not like it. In a democracy, the population deserves and is responsible for the government that it has.

You should remember that electoral turnout barely reached 40% in the last election.
 
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Splitlink said:
I don't worry about my money any less than anyone else does. That is, these days, normal stuff. Do you ,really, believe that, just because you are Brits, your money is in the best of hands, after all that the clients of Northern Rock, Lloyds, RBS and all the rest, have gone through? If anyone believes that their capital is best guarded abroad, and there have been lots, then they run the risk of being at the mercy of the government of the country and bank that has the money.
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Of course not. That is why I don't hold much of it in this country. I have been selling the GBP for years and buying Physical Gold and foreign stocks...it is the scatterbrains of this forum who think fiat money is a safe bet.

Splitlink said:
Theft? Don't make me laugh! This is a country desperately trying to survive and the other countries, comprising the Eurozone, are willing to bail it out when they, themselves are up to their eyeballs, in debt.
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Don't try and use that pious argument on me.Theft is theft. There are people on the streets desperately trying to survive but you still lock your house and car whenever you leave it, right? Only a clueless scatterbrained socialist thinks that stealing from one person and giving it to another will create wealth or lead to some non-existent recovery. This is wealth redistribution via outright theft, don't disguise it as anything else.

Splitlink said:
This can happen to any of us and although I am sorry for Cypriot bank accounts, it's going to be their fault. If anything happens to us, like that, in Spain, you can be sure that I will not find many friends. A lot of simpathy, perhaps, but that does not buy the baby a new dress.

I may be making light of this but, really, there is no point in doing anything else.
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This IS already happening to us in the U.K via inflation. The Cypriot Government is stealing from their citizens right in front of their eyes while the UK Government is stealing from us in a stealthy way. I am doing something about it.
 
new_trader said:
Of course not. That is why I don't hold much of it in this country. I have been selling the GBP for years and buying Physical Gold and foreign stocks...it is the scatterbrains of this forum who think fiat money is a safe bet.



Don't try and use that pious argument on me.Theft is theft. There are people on the streets desperately trying to survive but you still lock your house and car whenever you leave it, right? Only a clueless scatterbrained socialist thinks that stealing from one person and giving it to another will create wealth or lead to some non-existent recovery. This is wealth redistribution via outright theft, don't disguise it as anything else.



This IS already happening to us in the U.K via inflation. The Cypriot Government is stealing from their citizens right in front of their eyes while the UK Government is stealing from us in a stealthy way. I am doing something about it.
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I've been called many things before, but never pious. A good lawyer will always convince a court the difference between theft and legal appropriation. It depends how much money he is paid. This is a classic triangular case of the banks, government and the people.

The UK is a very wealthy country. It could afford to nationalise its banks and safeguard accounts. Cyprus is not in that position. If the banks go bust, accountholders can say goodbye, not to 10%, but all of their money.
 
Splitlink said:
I've been called many things before, but never pious. A good lawyer will always convince a court the difference between theft and legal appropriation. It depends how much money he is paid. This is a classic triangular case of the banks, government and the people.
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This isn't about determination by a court. This is a case of using your own brains. What is the point of a monetary system if you are not the owner of the money you legally earn? It is slavery if you aren't. You work, get paid...but still don't own what you earned??? :-0

Splitlink said:
The UK is a very wealthy country. It could afford to nationalise its banks and safeguard accounts. Cyprus is not in that position. If the banks go bust, accountholders can say goodbye, not to 10%, but all of their money.
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UK is wealthy? Based on what metric? the U.K is BROKE that is why we need more and more Q.E.

Sorry Split, but your understanding of the situation is lamentable. The U.K Central Bank is MONETISING DEBT because it has the authority to print money out of thin air. Cyprus can easily be just as "wealthy"...just give them a printing press and let them print whatever money they need...🙄
 
new_trader said:
This isn't about determination by a court. This is a case of using your own brains. What is the point of a monetary system if you are not the owner of the money you legally earn? It is slavery if you aren't. You work, get paid...but still don't own what you earned??? :-0



UK is wealthy? Based on what metric? the U.K is BROKE that is why we need more and more Q.E.

Sorry Split, but your understanding of the situation is lamentable. The U.K Central Bank is MONETISING DEBT because it has the authority to print money out of thin air. Cyprus can easily be just as "wealthy"...just give them a printing press and let them print whatever money they need...🙄
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The UK owes money but it is the second contributor to Europe, after Germany, unless something has changed. The difference is that we are, all, living beyond our means and our credit is shot.
 
Splitlink said:
The UK owes money but it is the second contributor to Europe, after Germany, unless something has changed. The difference is that we are, all, living beyond our means and our credit is shot.
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Now you have put your finger on it. This is the weak side of democracy. The people tend to vote in the smoothest liars who promise the most and are not necessarily the best for the country.
 
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