Just to clarify, I avoided the whole ProphetMax scam, but barely.
For me, EVG was about timing. I'm a young guy who just started my career. For the first time in my life I have money and was consciously in the market for investment opportunities. Somehow or another my web searches must have landed me on one of Dillard's lists and it wasn't long before I got an e-mail about EVG. While I recognized that it had sort of a "cultish" feeling to it, I still decided to join because it wasn't about getting rich quick for me, it was about learning what to do with money that I now had for the first time in my life. Really the timing was just right for me to fall into this.
To your point, I didn't do a ton of research on Dillard because I was under the impression that EVG was a knowledge sharing community on finances. I didn't think that EVG was going to be just one guy spewing garbage, but a community where I could learn how to grow the money I was making and interact with others of the same mindset.
This is why I feel so passionate about Dillard getting his. In the end, I only paid him for two months of his sham group, so im not out much money wise. I was also fortunate enough to avoid the ProphetMax scam...barely. Regardless, I feel really betrayed and just dirty from the whole experience.
Ironically enough my whole experience with EVG taught me a much more valuable lesson about money and investing than Dillard's sham lessons ever could have. I will never be so open minded and trusting with my finances ever again.
Never mind an NDA, what you really should be saying is that you will never again get involved with anyone or anything that promises to make you money for little or no effort.
Remember, there is no free money, anyone who says there is has scammed you, or is about to.
Never mind an NDA, what you really should be saying is that you will never again get involved with anyone or anything that promises to make you money for little or no effort.
Remember, there is no free money, anyone who says there is has scammed you, or is about to.
Moral of this story:
Most of us at EVG are/were not sophisticated investors. We joined EVG to learn about Mike Dillard’s wealth strategies and we followed along. The timing of this scam was perfect . So many of us were looking for a way to save what we’ve got and even hope to earn a profit on our investments. I should have done my own due diligence; trusting Mike Dillard NOT to delete negative posts on his Facebook page was a mistake; and expecting warning signals to come from the group was a mistake. From now on I will always check and verify every contract that I sign. I will never again sign a NDA.
Ok just to lighten things up a bit . Senen stated in the webinar after the trading losses
"we are looking at Profiling Software to identify extremists"
So in future if anyone wants to join IIC - you will be profiled.
What most non PM members on this forum dont know is that he could be extremly threatening on his webinars. It would have prevented many members coming forward with any infomation early on for fear of being 'investigated' by Senen's lawyers. He even threated having a tracking tool built into the PDF statement re Kevin's explanation of trading losses. He said that within 24 hours a private detective wuld be able to get all our info - home address, phone number e mail etc from trade2win.
Everyone in EVG should ask for a full refund of all membership dues from day one because Mike Dillard clearly misrepresented himself. In his position now he could not fight it. And he can't afford to erase comments anymore. So now would be the time and no matter what the terms of service are... They are now null and void. This, they will take very seriously and do not get involved in his bs class action suit.
it is a joke, dillard now seems the only one just managing to keep his head above water, all the other entities have drowned, completely washed up in the eyes of the public/regulator.
an interesting article, dated 27/11/2011 which is pre this scam.
The Elevation Group Investigation The Truth About Mike Dillard Scam
why nobody read that before signing up with dillard? surely more than enough there to raise a flag or two? at least gives associated names for further research? did anybody do much research at all? there's been some real good digging/research work by victims of this fraud, though sadly after the event.
what was it that made you all swallow the bait in this stinker? then pay up subs/fees on it? then give even more money away willingly to them?
Ok just to lighten things up a bit . Senen stated in the webinar after the trading losses
"we are looking at Profiling Software to identify extremists"
So in future if anyone wants to join IIC - you will be profiled.
What most non PM members on this forum dont know is that he could be extremly threatening on his webinars. It would have prevented many members coming forward with any infomation early on for fear of being 'investigated' by Senen's lawyers. He even threated having a tracking tool built into the PDF statement re Kevin's explanation of trading losses. He said that within 24 hours a private detective wuld be able to get all our info - home address, phone number e mail etc from trade2win.
He had no idea what he was taking on when he tried to rough handle the extremists into silence. I bet he wished he'd never done that
You are right, sofree. It all is in the second audio file here: update
Can't stand the sound of his voice...sounds pretty intense...maybe he needs to go back to his Guru and learn to breathe and have a few green smoothies...
He threatened me as well, with e-mails ( 6-8 or so) coming from his supposed lawyers, and during the last webinar by calling out to me saying, "Do you understand _____?" "Do you hear me _____?" Do you understand _____?" Scary and weird.
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8. So far it's unsure which Class action law suit is best to follow: EVG or Pousa
It boils down to who has the more clued-in lawyers and $$ ??
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the 6 page letter you received from Senen was drafted by Dr Kasraie (that in istelf may be a lie - it could have been drafted by Senen) - it is very amateurish and contradictory and Senen has already contradicted what he said in that letter in later webinars...
Senen wont be filing a Class Action Law Suite as he has no $$ to do so - he needs out help - but then if we invest $$ he will only let us have inforamtion on a need to know basis - how kind of him.
You need to know - Dr Kasraie has now run off with all our moneeeeee
sofree - are you aware of the webinar recordings located in Level 3?
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8. So far it's unsure which Class action law suit is best to follow: EVG or Pousa
It boils down to who has the more clued-in lawyers and $$ ??
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the 6 page letter you received from Senen was drafted by Dr Kasraie (that in istelf may be a lie - it could have been drafted by Senen) - it is very amateurish and contradictory and Senen has already contradicted what he said in that letter in later webinars...
Senen wont be filing a Class Action Law Suite as he has no $$ to do so - he needs out help - but then if we invest $$ he will only let us have inforamtion on a need to know basis - how kind of him.
You need to know - Dr Kasraie has now run off with all our moneeeeee[/QUOTE
How did you come to that conclusion?
Yes - there are only a few there...some have been deleted
