Non farm payrolls, a cautionary warning re. slippage etc..

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Good points made by Thomas Long of FXCM over on FXCM forums..


Nonfarm Payrolls
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I will be leaving soon for a well deserved long weekend (if I say so myself) in Northern California to get as much wine tasting in as humanly possible before returning for Tuesday's session, but there are two things I would like to point out before I head to the airport. First, we always use a designated driver on our wine trips so its all good. Yes...I realize that more than a few of you don't care about this, but I have complete control of my keyboard right now and I can write whatever I want.

Second and more importantly, I would once again like to remind traders of what is happening this Friday, April 2nd at about 830AM Eastern, which is when the US Department of Labor will release the most anticipated news report of the month, the US Nonfarm Payrolls. This report can result in increased volatility and a chance to profit handsomely in a short period of time.

However, more often than not, new traders are not the one’s profiting but rather losing. The main reason is slippage, which is when your order is filled away from the price you wanted. The reason for slippage is simple, big traders stay away from these events and new traders all try to do the same thing at the same time. If the release is bullish for the EUR/USD, everybody wants to buy at the same time. However, most find that there is nobody willing to sell to them at their price. But eventually your order is filled, but at the seller’s price. Soon you find the market moving against you and you exit to keep your losses from getting too big. But what about those who were selling to you? As the market continues to fall, you start to wonder about these traders who sold to you and the fact that they are now making money. What did they do differently?

These traders were playing the reversal and taking advantage of the fact that the first move after a release is often based on emotions and wrong. Here is a 5-minute chart and an example of a reversal after the release of the Nonfarm Payrolls. We can see that just before the release, the EUR/USD was trading at 1.4892. After the release, the market started to rally up to near the 1.4940 level. The market then started to reverse and traders who were playing the reverse sold at the price the market was trading just before the release. The assumption here is that all traders who bought after the release are now in a losing trade and are selling to get out. So these new traders sell at 1.4892 to get in and use a 50 pip stop with a 100 pip limit order to take profit, which is what we recommend in our DailyFX Courses. This is our 1:2 risk:reward ratio and allows us to be profitable if only winning 40% of these setups. The market soon moved down 100 pips from the 1.4892 entry and rewarded those who were patient and reacted to the market environment rather than the emotional first response to the release. These reversal traders will also use the EUR/USD as much as possible in these situations because of the increased volume and better fills. But you don’t have to be first to get into the trade to be right, you just have to be patient and react to the market and not the news release. The EUR/USD doesn’t act like this on every release, but it does frequently enough to make this a valuable strategy.

Good luck with your trading, have a great weekend, and I'll be back Tuesday!

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Thanks Black Swan. I also think that the spread in forex is as important as slippage especially for high frequency traders.
 
big traders stay away from these events

These traders were playing the reversal and taking advantage of the fact that the first move after a release is often based on emotions and wrong

i'll be sitting at my screen for sure. this could be one of the big ones, especially in a thin market.

too many sweeping statements.
 
i'll be sitting at my screen for sure. this could be one of the big ones, especially in a thin market.

too many sweeping statements.

But Goose he's right in as much as you are one of the big boys that'd normally stay away from such an event, it'd normally be a simple blip on your radar...fwiw I reckon there's a lot of validity (for retail traders) in what I posted, from my own trading perspective whatever direction I'm in pre announcement is the direction I stay in, I just don't play these moves anymore. But again fwiw I agree totally with you, it could be huge...
 
for me this could really be a tipping point in the longer end of the yield curve. we really are a critical point in my view. it might just turn out to be a damp squib but a big print we move, and a crap print we really move.

I wasn't having a go by the way-i was just making my point in my own "special" way.
 
Given the reaction to ADP employment earlier in the week, I think this might be a bit special if the news is perceived as not good.
 
brokers pull the liquidity at news releases to stop people out anyway, the joys of the forex market
 
this chart here shows the beginning of the end for the recession.
 

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To summarise in a practical way my feeling on the subject:

- Algorithms now react to news realises so quickly, that getting filled as a retail trader; particularly if manually, is just going to give you big slippage and get you in at a price, after all the initial algo, fast ping, big traders have filled their trades, which occur less than 0.0001 of a second after a news piece is realised. Therefore if you are entering as a retail trader; there are literally no buyers, and therefore a sell-off is due for the profit taking of those algorithm's.
- To trade the news therefore, as a retail trader; its best to fade the market direction, with a limit order at percieved extremes. However; this has its complications, sometimes news creates 4 point ES movements, other times 15 points. So you're probably going to screw yourself with greed there.
- News realises are heavily traded; therefore, ' Big boys' do trade them; if only new traders trade these realises, how does volume massively rise after a news realises vs its average...
- For futures traders interested in being part of the initial pump (Not selling the dump), then using stop limits might work; whereby when the market has risen to a certain point; you place a limit to buy, so that you are filled reasonably at your chosen point. The problem with this; is that if you are buying falling price, its likely the affect of the initial charge in price is over. However upon my own research; i've found that even during fast news realises that make 10 point charges higher very quickly, the market does fluctuate down a few ticks several times while rising, validating this as a possible entry....

:)

P.s. FX traders who TAKE liquidity (who cannot provide) shouldn't participate, they will only ever get filled at a price their ECN wants... And the ECN is going to quoting extremes. They aren't going to be chasing the market with tight bids, just to get kained on the sell off ... They'll just quote a wide bid-ask and let the order flow scalp them money. In other words; i'd imagine (Not from experience) that it'd be very hard for you guys to take advantage of this situation.

Your market maker; is not going to buy from you, when you percieve its a good time to short an extreme... If they do, be worried :D (futures ftw)
 
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i'm not a believer in the end of the recession. the market's biggest debt buyer has just left the building. let's see how the economy deals with cold turkey.
 
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