Yamato
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Ok. I downloaded and finally have started reading "trading in the zone", the famous book, since a reader advised me to do so. It starts like this, more or less, and because of how it starts it's more appealing to me:
I am liking it. Yesterday I read the other book by Larry Harris, "trading and exchanges".
More good ideas from the Foreword (written by someone else I suppose):
Reading his attitude survey right now, on page 6. I'll comment on the questions right here, as I answer them:
ATTITUDE SURVEY
1. To make money as a trader you have to know what the market is going to do next.
Disagree but close: you have to know what the market is most likely going to do next.
2. Sometimes I find myself thinking that there must be a way to trade without having to take a loss.
Disagree
3. Making money as a trader is primarily a function of analysis.
Disagree (I won't fall for this one).
4. Losses are an unavoidable component of trading.
Agree
5. My risk is always defined before I enter a trade.
Agree that it should be done but it's not the case with me
6. In my mind there is always a cost associated with finding out what the market may do next.
Agree Disagree... it is not phrased clearly. Go back and write this question all over again.
7. I wouldn't even bother putting on the next trade if I wasn't sure that it was going to be a winner.
Agree Disagree... this is a repetition of question number 1.
8. The more a trader learns about the markets and how they behave, the easier it will be for him to
execute his trades.
Agree
9. My methodology tells me exactly under what market conditions to either enter or exit a trade.
Agree but I don't follow it, and I am wrong
10. Even when I have a clear signal to reverse my position, I find it extremely difficult to do.
Agree Disagree... I never have such signals, so I can't answer.
11. I have sustained periods of consistent success usually followed by some fairly drastic draw-downs
in my equity.
Agree, that's what happened with my discretionary trading so far.
12. When I first started trading I would describe my trading methodology as haphazard, meaning some
success in between a lot of pain.
Agree
13. I often find myself feeling that the markets are against me personally.
Agree
14. As much as I might try to "let go," I find it very difficult to put past emotional wounds behind me.
Agree
15. I have a money management philosophy that is founded in the principle of always taking some
money out of the market when the market makes it available.
Disagree
16. A trader's job is to identify patterns in the markets' behavior that represent an opportunity and then
to determine the risk of finding out if these patterns will play themselves out as they have in the past.
Agree
17. Sometimes I just can't help feeling that I am a victim of the market.
Agree
18. When I trade I usually try to stay focused in one time frame.
Disagree
19. Trading successfully requires a degree of mental flexibility far beyond the scope of most people.
Agree
20. There are times when I can definitely feel the flow of the market; however, I often have difficulty
acting on these feelings.
Disagree, I feel the flow even when it's not there, and I act on these feelings all the time. I am on a trading rampage most of the time.
21. There are many times when I am in a profitable trade and I know the move is basically over, but I
still won't take my profits.
Disagree: I take my profits too early usually (when trading discretionary)
22. No matter how much money I make in a trade, I am rarely ever satisfied and feel that I could have
made more.
Disagree: I am satisfied very fast and that is why I cut my profits short, mistakenly.
23. When I put on a trade, I feel I have a positive attitude. I anticipate all of the money I could make
from the trade in a positive way.
Agree (and then the trade goes the other way, and since I had a positive attitude, I can't exit, so it'd be better to have a negative attitude and expect the worst).
24. The most important component in a trader's ability to accumulate money over time is having a
belief in his own consistency.
Agree Disagree... bull****, how can you say this is the most important? Bull****. Having an edge is more important. Give me a 95% system, and I'll take care of having faith in my consistency.
25. If you were granted a wish to be able to instantaneously acquire one trading skill, what skill would
you choose?
The skill of never getting it wrong. But if I can't have that, the skill of not taking it personally when the market tells me I am wrong, which is the thing that drives me mad the most, since my dad favorite sport was always telling that I was wrong, that asshole...
26. I often spend sleepless nights worrying about the market.
Disagree: sleepless yes, but about other things.
27. Do you ever feel compelled to make a trade because you are afraid that you might miss out?
Yes, as I said earlier: I am often on a trading rampage, so I never miss any potential profit, nor any potential loss.
28. Although it doesn't happen very often, I really like my trades to be perfect. When I make a perfect
call it feels so good that it makes up for all of the times that I don't.
Agree, and it makes me forget that I am unprofitable: it's dead on target. Thanks, I am starting to like your book a lot. You're better than Elder I'd say. Actually, tell you what: you're the only trading book worth reading.
29. Do you ever find yourself planning trades you never execute, and executing trades you never
planned?
No and yes. As I told you earlier, I tend to overtrade, so if anything I make trades that I don't plan. I certainly do not miss any trades.
30. In a few sentences explain why most traders either don't make money or aren't able to keep what
they make.
That's a good question, thanks for asking me. The best phrasing would be "why most traders are unprofitable". They are unprofitable because they either do not have an edge, or have an edge and do not use it, and make trades that do not rely on that edge. And this is my case: I'd have an edge to be profitable but I trade outside of that edge.
I started trading in 1978. At the time, I was managing a commercial casualty insurance agency in
the suburbs of Detroit, Michigan. I had a very successful career and thought I could easily transfer that
success into trading. Unfortunately, I found that was not the case.
By 1981, I was thoroughly disgusted with my inability to trade effectively while holding another job,
so I moved to Chicago and got a job as a broker with Merrill Lynch at the Chicago Board of Trade.
How did I do? Well, within nine months of moving to Chicago, I had lost nearly everything I owned...
I am liking it. Yesterday I read the other book by Larry Harris, "trading and exchanges".
More good ideas from the Foreword (written by someone else I suppose):
...To the novice, the only challenge appears to be to find a way to make money. Once the novice
learns that tips, brokers' advice, and other ways to justify buying or selling do not work consistently, he
discovers that he either needs to develop a reliable trading strategy or purchase one. After that, trading
should be easy, right? All you have to do is follow the rules, and the money will fall into your lap.
At this point, if not before, novices discover that trading can turn into one of the most frustrating
experiences they will ever face.
This experience leads to the oft-started statistic that 95 percent of futures traders lose all of their money
within the first year of trading. Stock traders generally experience the same results, which is why
pundits always point to the fact that most stock traders fail to outperform a simple buy and hold
investment scenario.
So, why do people, the majority of whom are extremely successful in other occupations, fail so
miserably as traders? Are successful traders born and not made? Mark Douglas says no. What's
necessary, he says, is that the individual acquire the trader's mindset. It sounds easy, but the fact is, this
mindset is very foreign when compared with the way our life experiences teach us to think about the
world.
That 95-percent failure rate makes sense when you consider how most of us experience life, using
skills learned as we grow. When it comes to trading, however, it turns out that the skills we learn to
earn high marks in school, advance our careers, and create relationships with other people, the skills we
are taught that should carry us through life, turn out to be inappropriate for trading. Traders, we find
out, must learn to think in terms of probabilities and to surrender all of the skills we have acquired to
achieve in virtually every other aspect of our lives...
Reading his attitude survey right now, on page 6. I'll comment on the questions right here, as I answer them:
ATTITUDE SURVEY
1. To make money as a trader you have to know what the market is going to do next.
Disagree but close: you have to know what the market is most likely going to do next.
2. Sometimes I find myself thinking that there must be a way to trade without having to take a loss.
Disagree
3. Making money as a trader is primarily a function of analysis.
Disagree (I won't fall for this one).
4. Losses are an unavoidable component of trading.
Agree
5. My risk is always defined before I enter a trade.
Agree that it should be done but it's not the case with me
6. In my mind there is always a cost associated with finding out what the market may do next.
Agree Disagree... it is not phrased clearly. Go back and write this question all over again.
7. I wouldn't even bother putting on the next trade if I wasn't sure that it was going to be a winner.
Agree Disagree... this is a repetition of question number 1.
8. The more a trader learns about the markets and how they behave, the easier it will be for him to
execute his trades.
Agree
9. My methodology tells me exactly under what market conditions to either enter or exit a trade.
Agree but I don't follow it, and I am wrong
10. Even when I have a clear signal to reverse my position, I find it extremely difficult to do.
Agree Disagree... I never have such signals, so I can't answer.
11. I have sustained periods of consistent success usually followed by some fairly drastic draw-downs
in my equity.
Agree, that's what happened with my discretionary trading so far.
12. When I first started trading I would describe my trading methodology as haphazard, meaning some
success in between a lot of pain.
Agree
13. I often find myself feeling that the markets are against me personally.
Agree
14. As much as I might try to "let go," I find it very difficult to put past emotional wounds behind me.
Agree
15. I have a money management philosophy that is founded in the principle of always taking some
money out of the market when the market makes it available.
Disagree
16. A trader's job is to identify patterns in the markets' behavior that represent an opportunity and then
to determine the risk of finding out if these patterns will play themselves out as they have in the past.
Agree
17. Sometimes I just can't help feeling that I am a victim of the market.
Agree
18. When I trade I usually try to stay focused in one time frame.
Disagree
19. Trading successfully requires a degree of mental flexibility far beyond the scope of most people.
Agree
20. There are times when I can definitely feel the flow of the market; however, I often have difficulty
acting on these feelings.
Disagree, I feel the flow even when it's not there, and I act on these feelings all the time. I am on a trading rampage most of the time.
21. There are many times when I am in a profitable trade and I know the move is basically over, but I
still won't take my profits.
Disagree: I take my profits too early usually (when trading discretionary)
22. No matter how much money I make in a trade, I am rarely ever satisfied and feel that I could have
made more.
Disagree: I am satisfied very fast and that is why I cut my profits short, mistakenly.
23. When I put on a trade, I feel I have a positive attitude. I anticipate all of the money I could make
from the trade in a positive way.
Agree (and then the trade goes the other way, and since I had a positive attitude, I can't exit, so it'd be better to have a negative attitude and expect the worst).
24. The most important component in a trader's ability to accumulate money over time is having a
belief in his own consistency.
Agree Disagree... bull****, how can you say this is the most important? Bull****. Having an edge is more important. Give me a 95% system, and I'll take care of having faith in my consistency.
25. If you were granted a wish to be able to instantaneously acquire one trading skill, what skill would
you choose?
The skill of never getting it wrong. But if I can't have that, the skill of not taking it personally when the market tells me I am wrong, which is the thing that drives me mad the most, since my dad favorite sport was always telling that I was wrong, that asshole...
26. I often spend sleepless nights worrying about the market.
Disagree: sleepless yes, but about other things.
27. Do you ever feel compelled to make a trade because you are afraid that you might miss out?
Yes, as I said earlier: I am often on a trading rampage, so I never miss any potential profit, nor any potential loss.
28. Although it doesn't happen very often, I really like my trades to be perfect. When I make a perfect
call it feels so good that it makes up for all of the times that I don't.
Agree, and it makes me forget that I am unprofitable: it's dead on target. Thanks, I am starting to like your book a lot. You're better than Elder I'd say. Actually, tell you what: you're the only trading book worth reading.
29. Do you ever find yourself planning trades you never execute, and executing trades you never
planned?
No and yes. As I told you earlier, I tend to overtrade, so if anything I make trades that I don't plan. I certainly do not miss any trades.
30. In a few sentences explain why most traders either don't make money or aren't able to keep what
they make.
That's a good question, thanks for asking me. The best phrasing would be "why most traders are unprofitable". They are unprofitable because they either do not have an edge, or have an edge and do not use it, and make trades that do not rely on that edge. And this is my case: I'd have an edge to be profitable but I trade outside of that edge.
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