Mr Stone - Binary Trading

100% with you there....Had an awesome two weeks where I couldn't miss. Today has been an execution massacre for the balance. Started the account with $10k bonus funds just about 2 weeks ago. Grown it up over the two weeks to $26,663 by last night. After losing the last badly out of shape EUR/USD trades balance is down to $19,513.

Still got an open GOLD trade expiring at 5:10pm GMT
Potential for a $1700 reutn to bump the balance back up to $21,213. The way it works in Binary when open the trade, the money for that trade is instantly taken from the balance....So worst case I finish today -$7k, best case -$5k.

Just shows you cannot win them all, I should have done better with my placement and direction. Put that down to rushing the trades and not being focused enough, plus just dismally getting it wrong...Cest la vie..I'll post a balance shot after 5GMT when the last one expires
 
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I will take the compliment while I still can seeing as it is one of very few I get :)
Thank you for feedback and posting, I'm exhausted and taking a break now.

Just so you know, any thoughts on asset direction and trade ideas are welcome during the trading week. Would love some advice and extra knowledge any time.

Mr Stone
 
I will take the compliment while I still can seeing as it is one of very few I get :)
Thank you for feedback and posting, I'm exhausted and taking a break now.

Just so you know, any thoughts on asset direction and trade ideas are welcome during the trading week. Would love some advice and extra knowledge any time.

Mr Stone

Based on today, my main advice would be not to fall into the noob trap of making a bad trade and then trying to make up for it by doing something even more risky. Of course, if you'd been using real money you probably wouldn't have done that.
 
In terms of licensing and regs, obviously none of you have truly dealt with a position in terms of achieving licensing or regs. They make it ludicrously expensive and difficult.

Mr Stone

Exactly - it’s not meant to be easy – it’s meant to ensure that everyone approved is fit for purpose and operates in a professional, secure and honest manner (even so there are many examples of those that have been licensed have been proven not to be so but that is a different story).

I appreciate binary trading is not regulated by the FSA but if I chose to trade binaries with IG Index say, all my deposited funds (which would be in a spreadbet or CFD account) up to £85,000 are fully protected should IG fail. Whereas if I chose to trade with you I would have no such protection.

Further, if despite that fact I would never do this, if I did decide to deposit say £50k with you and ‘gambled’ large and had a good run, how much could I take you for before your business either had to file for bankruptcy or just refused to pay me? I would guess this is an amount quite a bit lower than with other licensed “brokers.”
 
Hi Ivan,

Really to the point response and completely correct with what you are saying.
As smaller style investors we have no choice but to build to a point of liquidity and service in order to get there, we are by no means anywhere near the size, reputation or cash flow needed at this time. Hopefully within 6-12 months we can at the very least obtain some simple licensing in order to assure our clients that we are working as every business should. In a safe and legal manner.

At the moment we are able to handle unique client wins up to $100,000 per month. We have not had anyone get close to that amount yet, and truthfully should we have a client who pushes the limits for a couple of months in a row, we are most certainly in a position where we would have to kindly ask that client to move on to another place to trade.

To help build a steady stream of satisfied clients, who refer their friends and fellow traders my partner and I regardless of the P&L at any given time are completely committed to providing the fastest and most black and white banking services that Binary Options have to offer. At this time, the hard work is paying off and large groups of traders are registering and trading with us. Many of which simply enjoy the fact that when they ask for a withdrawal, that the money gets processed same day.

I know it isn't perfect, and myself and the platform have a long way to go in order to fully cement and retain our position as a great and trustworthy platform to deal with. Time will tell in that sense and so will satisfaction from the traders. People these days know exactly how to bring someones reputation down if they are mistreated. Also understand that I am looking to pull away existing binary traders from their other chosen non regulated platforms. I am able to take them in quickly as the good word is spreading, but what I want you to understand is these are not noobie binary traders. They know the difference between good and bad believe me. They make me work very hard to keep them happy! But it is totally worth it.

If we fail then we fail, but we have ways of knowing if the **** is in the wind. Both myself and my partner Lee have long standing relationships to maintain and reputations within the online industry to maintain. We do not want to churn burn and run. We are both staking everything we have on this venture. So far thank god we had some early revenue that boosted us to a nice stable position for the last 6 months. Now all we are doing is growing. With more traders there are more profits for us, and a higher level of liquid capital. We feed alot back into the marketing and development of the team and systems. Of course we also hold as much back as we can, as we know every dog has its day, and the "lucky gambler" you speak of could be just around the corner waiting to do us damage. That is the risk we take. As long as our services provided are in black and white, and we maintain a strong connection to your clients, providing the best support possible everything will continue to grow and prosper allowing us to truly become a recommended online platform to use.

I said I was done until Monday but your message deserved a quick response. Thank you for the feedback and please if I can answer anything more let me know.

Mr Stone
 
Hi Mr Stone,

A couple of questions....

At the moment we are able to handle unique client wins up to $100,000 per month.
The above fig is obviously not net ie i assume in your risk analysis you are projecting other net inflows against the 1 customer who cleans up. So, what is your critical point cashflow, and for what term? Say if your company is net £100k down for 3 months running.....is that when you can no longer pay the tea lady? Can you survive a similarly bad run for a longer period? Do you have super huge cash buffers like casinos? Do you have to report cashflow statements? How often/when? This wld be the first thing i wld want to see before even contemplating opening up an account.

Many of which simply enjoy the fact that when they ask for a withdrawal, that the money gets processed same day.
This is far from a unique (or even good) selling point.

I am able to take them in quickly as the good word is spreading, but what I want you to understand is these are not noobie binary traders. They know the difference between good and bad believe me. They make me work very hard to keep them happy! But it is totally worth it.
So the non noobies are consistent losing traders? Where did you find them?

To hear someone openly admit that their business is built around people losing money makes me shudder. Moreso when you can set up a similar company in a similar industry which is not so nefariously focused. The weird thing is you come across as a reasonable guy.

GOOGLE after posting these inner working pictures have had massive exposure and so encouraging lots of purchases of the stock - therefore a nice rising price throughout US market time.
Did you go long Google? I couldnt see....your statements seem to be cut before being posted, which is odd for a demo account.

A good w/e to you.
 
Hi Rsh01,

First thanks for the reply. I want to try if I can to clear a few of these points up, as unfortunately I think you guys are getting slightly the wrong picture of it all. Perhaps I am the cause of that, either way here we go,....

First and foremost, our cash flow. Yes we do have a large buffer. Unfortunately you will never be able or be given access to see the inner financials at any time. The way we keep on top of it is by monitoring traders trade by trade and assessing + branding them on different risk levels and actively managing things from there.

The limits that we have with our system and cash flow can almost (knocks wood) never be reached as 99% of the time anyway, there are no traders out there with the skills necessary to do that, in Binary Options anyway! Plus please understand, in order to achieve in one month $100k+ profits, the trade volume involved in achieving that!!! NO ONE has a 100% hit rate for extended periods of time.If you are 60-70% in the money (winning trades, which is also rare to see by the way), you would have to trade at least $250k - $500k in traded volume at least if not more to get level of profits. Very unlikely for anyone out there to do so. Long story short it is about as likely that I would find Aladdin's genie and get my wish granted for two Angelina Jolie twins to be my live in bathing maids....Just to put it in perspective The largest start a new trader can take with us is $100k. After the first 3 months that can be raised and enlarged but not until we have a grasp on who we are dealing with for obvious reasons, with larger money comes a larger risk. As you may imagine, only a select few have that kind of cash power and most of the time it is more entertainment value for them, the princes, sheiks and so on are more interested it seems in the buzz and adrenaline factor rather than the trading aspect.

Withdrawals paid as fast as banking processes can go IS actually a key selling point for us and binary options. You may not know this, but the majority of platforms out there are not content with just taking profits from the losses, they are unwilling to send money quickly and will constantly delay on payments. Citing further compliance needed or other rubbish reasons, all with the aim of pushing back the sending of funds as they know most will just continue to trade it off out of frustration. We therefore are getting known as the most trustworthy to deal with when it comes to withdrawals, again to reiterate a massive selling point for us in the Binary industry.

Now to client losses. Just because I was up front and blunt about it, it doesnt mean that you need to act as if I am satan sucking out the life force of these people and grinding their bones to make my bread. The simplest way I can put this is to explain the key factor I am interested in day by day and month by month. I am talking about total volume traded. Trader by trader I don't give a damn, if they win or lose. Truly I don't, as a majority will always lose. It is the total volume traded that interests me more as we take roughly 10% of total traded volume as our revenue. That is how it works when the product itself is 50/50 and as an example a trader can lose 100% but make 80% profit on a trade. You almost always have 10% either side of the trade. 5-10% of that goes on actual costs and systems, the remainder after paying all bills to run the damn thing is profit.

The noobies in my mind follow what they read online, in forums, chats and "review sites". The majority of which are run by veteran/experienced traders of Binary. The more success the veterans and experienced traders see, the more they spread the good word and push GOptions.com out there, the more new traders sign up and start to trade with us. Again win, lose or draw it really doesn't matter to us as the system is a numbers game, one very well designed to make sure as long as you have cash flow and keep producing trade volume, that the profits keep coming and the business carries on.

To be brutally frank with you, our inner financials and more are not up for being posted out in the open, I do have to draw a line somewhere as it is critical sensitive info, and info my competition could use against me. However, as you can see I am always able to give an answer to you and reply to some very tricky statements and questions you put out there.

As to my pic posts sometimes I cut off the end of the pic as I am thoroughly addicted to trading 60 second trades and when I am posting about some long term trades and ideas I want the results and images to be clean and to the point...If I have a bunch of other expiry's there or positions not related to my post there is no point in putting them there :) Should anyone want to have a go, I am more than happy to let them into my account for a small period of time to check it all out, again, I will not hide anything away in the shadows, PM me anytime if you want further info on doing that.

I didn't get on google in the end yesterday just had too much on, thank you for a fantastic response full of tricky stuff to answer, that is what I am doing this for, to show that we are not afraid to be here and answer the probing questions that intelligent and well experienced traders like yourself ask.

I will be hitting out more trades from Monday, all feedback is welcome, wish you all a great weekend and again thanks for the responses to my thread.

Mr Stone
 
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What if someone signs up and, whether by luck or skill, has a string of wins and scales up every time? Rather than close the account, you'll be thinking that a string of losses will follow, so you'll potentially be getting into a situation of risking everything, just like with those demo trades.
 
Charnock, you are more than welcome to be the first to do just that! ;)
We do not risk anything at all. Like I said, should someone truly get towards the level of success needed to truly unbalance and damage the business financials, we rather than risk anything at all will simply pay off the balance and wish the trader good luck elsewhere!



Mr Stone
 
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Mr Stone, I have a few questions.

What do you offer that the following FSA registered companies don't?
IG markets Binaries
CFD and Spread Betting Binary Trading

Also, is the need for FSA regulation regarding acceptance of deposits and so
on negated by the fact that you operate out of Cyprus with a satellite office in London:
Do I need to be authorised?

What are your thoughts on the information contained in the following links:
Made to Trade: Binary Options Regulation, a contentious issue?
FMA: Warning against unauthorised websites offering binary options trading

Can I now ask why you do not go down the CFD wrapper route allowing FSA
registration, or is that something you would rather avoid?
If so, what are your reasons for not going down the CFD wrapper route?
 
Very heavy and technical questions to answer.

I am going to confer with my partner on how best to answer them and come back to it for you on Monday Liquid :)
 
Can someone summarise what this thread is about?

(Apart from some guy call Stone).
 
Can someone summarise what this thread is about?

(Apart from some guy call Stone).

It's about someone trying to promote an unregulated binary options platform by posting demo trades. Ideal for naive multi-millionaire gamblers who've run out of mattress space.
 
It's about someone trying to promote an unregulated binary options platform by posting demo trades. Ideal for naive multi-millionaire gamblers who've run out of mattress space.

Thanks.
Sounds similar to Choiceodds a few years back.
They closed my account after 4 trades and refused to send my winnings. The "CEO" Felix Riley said I was 'professional' and that my account was not welcome as 4 wins out of 4 was 'not meant to happen'.........

If you're right. I'd agree. These setups are absolute turd.
 
Well happy Monday to you guys also :)

I will be continuing to post up trades later today. Liquid I am getting my answer to you now.

Mr Stone
 
Mr Stone, I have a few questions.

What do you offer that the following FSA registered companies don't?
IG markets Binaries
CFD and Spread Betting Binary Trading

Also, is the need for FSA regulation regarding acceptance of deposits and so
on negated by the fact that you operate out of Cyprus with a satellite office in London:
Do I need to be authorised?

What are your thoughts on the information contained in the following links:
Made to Trade: Binary Options Regulation, a contentious issue?
FMA: Warning against unauthorised websites offering binary options trading

Can I now ask why you do not go down the CFD wrapper route allowing FSA
registration, or is that something you would rather avoid?
If so, what are your reasons for not going down the CFD wrapper route?

OK so here are some simple and quick fire answers;

IG and GFT, two excellent companies to trade with and to have accounts with. The only thing extra I would have to offer is my own experience and knowledge when it comes to Binary Options and the industry as a whole.

In regards to the deposits you are correct again. As we are a BVI registered company and technically "off shore" for 99% of our clients we can accept any deposit from any country. When the client deposits online it is classed as an online purchase, thus meaning we can get around having to be FSA badged up.

In terms of the warnings out there I would 100% agree that they are true. Unfortunately there are some shady operators out there doing nasty things. For example XP markets a large binary brand has it in the terms and conditions of signing up that when you deposit, you cannot withdraw....Go figure how they get away with it, but seriously people do need to be very very careful. I would always suggest check the forums and reviews out there carefully and 10 times before you choose a place and deposit.

Lastly the regulation/licensing route. My partner and I would both prefer the less costly and simpler route of obtaining multi-gaming licensing rather than financial regulation through ASIC, CYSEC or the FSA. We are looking into Macau, the gambling association in the UK, Cyprus and also Belize. Not sure if we will take from any of those or another, but our feeling right now is to go down the gaming side rather than the financial side.

I hope I got you the answers you wanted to see. Again many thanks for a very detailed set of questions and feedback.

Have a great week and let me know if I can answer anything more for you or in further detail.

Mr Stone
 
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