I honestly cannot recommend that anyone develop, or follow up an interest in trading.

[foredog]

It's really refreshing to see someone be so honest and you very clearly communicate the realities of trading.

I'm afraid i've already gone down the slippery slope of obsession. Yes, trading ruins your life- it has mine also. I'm a single mum and my poor baby doesn't get much outside interaction with the real world anymore- i stay at home playing with her of course but, the charts always have to be in view . I've become a recluse and am never going to get out and meet anyone, ever. And funnily enough, i don't care, because in a sick kind of way the charts have become my friends.

How sad is that?! I only pray they reward me for my dedication- and not bite me on the bum like oil did this morning.

Good luck for the future

Give yourself (and her) a lunch break or something, put a trailing stop on your position or get a crackberry so you can look at your position while out.

you'll be more refreshed when you do and probably trade better (no promises though)

 

[JTrader]

And the worst part about trading is that the truth is hidden in plain view to some extent. We are told from the start & we know full well that 90% fail. We all think we will be different.

But the whole world also knows that the chances of us sustaining long term success are also hugely stacked against us. That is why there is an entire industry built around trying to teach us how to be successful, and how to evade the failure trap.

You are swimming in shark infested waters :!:

This includes the following types of fly by night woodworm leaching scum, who attach themselves to communities like this, full of innocent hopeful newbies who they aim to feed off. These are cunning pundits who use sophisticated overt and covert methods of gaining your trust and respect, only to have no end product of any real use on offer. At first it may not seem like they are selling something, but somewhere down the line, you just watch......
These are unscrupulous individuals who prefer to make their $ from the sidelines, around the peripherals of trading - safe in the knowledge that their income will be more steady this way, many probably having never traded in their lives. Such as -

- Authors of trading books & "educational material", such as spreadbetting guides etc. Whats so difficult about writing an F'ing book!? I could do that, all you need to do is copy someone elses work and re-arrange the wording in a safe & sophisticated enough way so that you won't be found out.
One of my uni lecturers had written a widely used psychology textbook. She was a crap lecturer, a fake, and the textbook was more or less exactly the same as all the other psychology textbooks - give or take a 5% standard deviation.

System developers. If your system is so good, why are you trying to sell it????....say no more.....

Custom Indicator creators. Those that will try to sell you something as useful and sustainable as a chocolate fireguard. We can all see that technical indicators are crap, yet are supposed to trust & value something that adds to the library of the existing 100's of these useless items.

As a general rule of thumb in trading, if someone is selling something, it prtobably doesn't work, and is of no practical use, or they would have used it to exploit the market themselves, without the hassle of having to provide customer serivce to customers.

 

[mauzj]

- Authors of trading books & "educational material", such as spreadbetting guides etc. Whats so difficult about writing an F'ing book!? I could do that, all you need to do is copy someone elses work and re-arrange the wording in a safe & sophisticated enough way so that you won't be found out.
One of my uni lecturers had written a widely used psychology textbook. She was a crap lecturer, a fake, and the textbook was more or less exactly the same as all the other psychology textbooks - give or take a 5% standard deviation.

Yet again, very sad but true. I don't think I've learned anything of value from trading books.

 

[JTrader]

....

I now have what i consider to be a very solid methodology, that is as good as it can be, more or less.

.....

Its gone f*ck*ng pear shaped today though! 3 steps forward 4 steps back!

I think i've isolated the problem though....It worked **** on the M5 chart, but 80%+ winners on M15.
I think this was due to messy/slightly irregular price action/candle formation on M5, along with fairly tight & congested S/R ranges, that produced a lot of losers 6W 11L.

But, once those S/R ranges are broken, and begin to space themselves out, this is where the profit potential lies - bigger quickish moves to the next in line S/R level.

Funnily enough, if id ignored M5 & just traded M15 today, would have made 5W 1L so far. Sods law as always. And yes i did miss the big winner at the end of the losing streak!

F*ck me! we can but try!

Someone somewhere is laughing at me right now!

 

[arabianights]

Someone somewhere is laughing at me right now!

 

[stevespray]

Everybody; wear sun-screen!

 

[timsk]

Unlike many other professions, there's not much in the way of a grey area in trading. Broadly speaking, traders fall into three categories: 1) consistently profitable. 2) the 'slow bleed'. 3) here today, gone tomorrow after a major blow out. The market doesn't really factor in grey areas - you can either do it or you can't. It's black and white - just check your P/L to see which side of the divide you're on. In most other walks of life, one can get by being middle of the road, neither terrible nor exceptional. Indeed, this ground is occupied by the majority of people. That's what makes this game soooo tough, IMO, you really have to be very good just to be able to stand still, let alone make any real money. On that note - best of luck JT, I hope you hack it and thank you for your great input over the years.
Best wishes,
Tim.

 

[stevespray]

"Everybody; wear sun-screen"

 

[Gumping]

Just remember J:

'Wax on

Wax off'

Best of luck!

 

[JTrader]

Unlike many other professions, there's not much in the way of a grey area in trading. Broadly speaking, traders fall into three categories: 1) consistently profitable. 2) the 'slow bleed'. 3) here today, gone tomorrow after a major blow out. The market doesn't really factor in grey areas - you can either do it or you can't. It's black and white - just check your P/L to see which side of the divide you're on. In most other walks of life, one can get by being middle of the road, neither terrible nor exceptional. Indeed, this ground is occupied by the majority of people. That's what makes this game soooo tough, IMO, you really have to be very good just to be able to stand still, let alone make any real money. On that note - best of luck JT, I hope you hack it and thank you for your great input over the years.
Best wishes,
Tim.

Cheers Tim.

I think the grey area's in trading concern signal strength, momentum etc. Shall i trade it or not? was the last bar too big, and is a retracement that will likely take out my SL now due?
It is a breakout but does that retracement in the last minute of the candle signal a reversal etc. Does this pause mean the end of the road, 0r is it just catching its breath???? etc. & ultimately depends on what/who is moving the price we see on the screen in front of us! (which we have no influence upon or control over....
but ultimately, i'm trying to stop analysing in such minute detail - i have a plan & try to stick with it, the trade will either hit the profit take exit criteria, or it will take out my SL. It may even take out my SL go no lower, and then go back to make a huge profit that is just sodss law, and i can't do much to control any of it anyway.

There are infinate grey areas in trading though.

 

[JTrader]

BTW -

in metatrader, to alter the scale of the axis, and to fit more levels into the charts, hover over the right axis with the numbers in it, left click & drag up & down. Only discovered that recently!

 

[tar]

I have suffered painfully for more than 3 years to learn how to trade successfully and i tried everything fx , futures , indices , binary , options , stocks , oil , metals ......scalping , long term , cheating ! everything , but everyday i learn something and i started from this summer to c light inside this dark tunnel so i will not give up and i am sure i will be rich someday from trading

 

[JTrader]

I have idenfitifed a couple of inconsistencies -

Today -

due to the number of signals that my method generates, there is a strong argument for only taking the very best looking - if i can show from a tally of previous days that these are statistically better performers. No matter how many good winners this involves passing up.

Despite a horrendous performance, there were still lots of missed opportunities to get involved in profitable trending price action based on candle formations (lh,ll & lower close compared to the last candle signalling downwards potential).
Basically, being busier and not being afraid to get stuck into candles that occurred after a significant trend - SnR line breakout (thus a trend is hopefully being formed) based on such candle information would have served me well. I need to be a bit more trigger happy sometimes.

 

[Glenn]

I now have what i consider to be a very solid methodology, that is as good as it can be, more or less.

And from time to time, my inability to execute the plan correctly, can drive me up the wall.

JTrader
The above seems to be your only evidence, although it is rather vague.

So what actually is the problem ?

From what you say, on balance, it seems to be your 'very solid methodology', given that your own errors only occur 'from time to time'

But what is your methodology based on - is it Backtesting ?
If so then that probably is the real cause of the problem. Backtesting is a waste of time because markets are not technical all of the time, so your results will be skewed by the inclusion of non-technical data and therefore useless, no matter how good they look.

In the end you have to be clear what the problem is, i.e. The methodology, you, or both.
Otherwise you can't move forward.
If you have kept a detailed log of every trade then you should be able to analyse the results and determine where things went wrong. You will see repeating patterns.
If you haven't kept such a log then imho you weren't talking it seriously. Business is business.

Best wishes for the future.
Glenn

 

[JTrader]

hello

 

[JTrader]

bbb

 

[JTrader]

JTrader
The above seems to be your only evidence, although it is rather vague.

So what actually is the problem ?

From what you say, on balance, it seems to be your 'very solid methodology', given that your own errors only occur 'from time to time'

But what is your methodology based on - is it Backtesting ?
If so then that probably is the real cause of the problem. Backtesting is a waste of time because markets are not technical all of the time, so your results will be skewed by the inclusion of non-technical data and therefore useless, no matter how good they look.

In the end you have to be clear what the problem is, i.e. The methodology, you, or both.
Otherwise you can't move forward.
If you have kept a detailed log of every trade then you should be able to analyse the results and determine where things went wrong. You will see repeating patterns.
If you haven't kept such a log then imho you weren't talking it seriously. Business is business.

Best wishes for the future.
Glenn

Thats not something i want/need to get into tbh. The method overall works very well, & much better than anything seen previously. Sure, my method is not perfect, nor is my present ability to execute it, as today has again proved. But overall my method tracks the market (price action) well & pretty closely & i am improving at trading it.

 

[brutusdog]

Unlike many other professions, there's not much in the way of a grey area in trading. Broadly speaking, traders fall into three categories: 1) consistently profitable. 2) the 'slow bleed'. 3) here today, gone tomorrow after a major blow out. The market doesn't really factor in grey areas - you can either do it or you can't. It's black and white - just check your P/L to see which side of the divide you're on. In most other walks of life, one can get by being middle of the road, neither terrible nor exceptional. Indeed, this ground is occupied by the majority of people. That's what makes this game soooo tough, IMO, you really have to be very good just to be able to stand still, let alone make any real money. On that note - best of luck JT, I hope you hack it and thank you for your great input over the years.
Best wishes,
Tim.

ok im not professing to be a master trader or saying that im setting the trading world on fire....but i think the statement that trading is sooo tough is wide of the mark.

the system is unimportant. a 50 % win to loss ratio is enough to make money.

risk should be the primary concern and is usually the last of the losing trader.

too many people fall back on the 95% lose stats....after all its never easy to go against the herd.

also trading seems to be one of the only professions where people take advice from bulletin boards and chat rooms / books / newsletters and so on, often from people with no proven credentials

1 setup, understand the risk / reward, hit the button, close out at profit or loss and wait for the next one....there is no emotional involvement if you trade within your risk parameters.

 

[Depth Trade]

ok im not professing to be a master trader or saying that im setting the trading world on fire....but i think the statement that trading is sooo tough is wide of the mark.

the system is unimportant. a 50 % win to loss ratio is enough to make money.

risk should be the primary concern and is usually the last of the losing trader.

too many people fall back on the 95% lose stats....after all its never easy to go against the herd.

also trading seems to be one of the only professions where people take advice from bulletin boards and chat rooms / books / newsletters and so on, often from people with no proven credentials

1 setup, understand the risk / reward, hit the button, close out at profit or loss and wait for the next one....there is no emotional involvement if you trade within your risk parameters.

... yeah, a cake walk.

 

[brutusdog]

... yeah, a cake walk.