How to make money from spread betting

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I might argue that a business such a trading forum that tries to promote the idea that profiting from this business is easy, is unethical (even highly unethical).
Hi the hare,
If there are trading forums out there doing as you describe, then I would agree with you wholeheartedly. Needless to say (but I'll say it anyway), T2W would never stoop to such depths.
;)
Tim.
 
I am fully aware that it is almost impossible to live in the world of today and avoid trading with companies that have questionable morality. However, the idea that it doesn't matter at all if I decide to trade in anything is very flawed in my view. For example, people frequently argue that taking many of the illicit drugs is harmless enough if only done occasionally. Whereas the key reason I would never do anything of this nature is because it condones the people and method by which it gets to the end user. This includes murder, child porn, slavery etc and I just don't want to consciously connect to a web of activity that is involved in any of it.
 
I am fully aware that it is almost impossible to live in the world of today and avoid trading with companies that have questionable morality. However, the idea that it doesn't matter at all if I decide to trade in anything is very flawed in my view. For example, people frequently argue that taking many of the illicit drugs is harmless enough if only done occasionally. Whereas the key reason I would never do anything of this nature is because it condones the people and method by which it gets to the end user. This includes murder, child porn, slavery etc and I just don't want to consciously connect to a web of activity that is involved in any of it.

The big difference is all that is illegal for starters, and yes morally as well.
How can that compare to a legal tobacco listing, who make legal products,
with the full consent of all govt. and regulatory bodies.
The two things are poles apart.
What about alcohol production?

If its legal, I'll trade it.
I just don't happen to anymore for a variety of other reasons.
 
Hi the hare,
If there are trading forums out there doing as you describe, then I would agree with you wholeheartedly. Needless to say (but I'll say it anyway), T2W would never stoop to such depths.
;)
Tim.

Of course not, you won't find anyone associated with t2w selling a secret nazi box, or promising 36,000 pips a year or any of that nonsense :p
 
This is true: I used to work for a company (P&H) packing fags into boxes to be delivered to shops so the people at the checkout could sell them. The shops made their profits as did the packing company, more importantly to me, I got paid my wages.

I forgot to ask last time, I sense an interesting story there,
how did you go from packing fags (student job?) to earning 6k a month with SB?
Not questioning you, I believe you, just genuinely interested.
Completely understand if you would rather not say.
 
I forgot to ask last time, I sense an interesting story there,
how did you go from packing fags (student job?) to earning 6k a month with SB?
Not questioning you, I believe you, just genuinely interested.
Completely understand if you would rather not say.

No mate you fire away.

Here's the story (for which you'll find some parts involved with what we were discussing):

Started paper trading at 13 (1991)
Parent account at 17 (Father stood as guarantor and signatory as 18 is legal age) (1995)
Own account at 18(1996)
NOTE: I was trading shares outright / no leverage. T-14. 14 day account payment with £250k buying power on trust of payment and a temporary overdraft facility for clearance of £20k.

Started buying houses at 18/19 (1997 1st property 2 bed terrace) and built up slowly over 8 years. During my late teens I was considered extremely rich by my friends standards (for which I had many) as I had a stock portfolio worth 10's of thousands and several properties. They laughed as I used to get around by push bike a lot. Here's the thing, I was rich on paper - you know the story here. Plus I could drink and ride with no problem of losing my licence.

During this time the mortgages were being mainly paid by the rental income (plus a large float for disasters - 6 month survival fund) plus the portfolio was handing out dividends plus capital. But, I didn't have anything stable and the 9/11 incident caught me out and hurt financially, To be honest the portfolio was failing prior to this event. It was at this time I then worked in a warehouse stacking fags in boxes to a make stable money, I had a lot of time on my hands as most of my good friends worked. I didn't stick it for long and was there long over due to the point where I no longer cared and eventually walked out one day and never went back, I didn't care to hand in notice and all that, there was simply no need as the wages were no where near what I had accumulated by the properties, the stock portfolio (which recovered greatly over the ensuing months but with less stock as some was sold off), and my personal bank account. I finally caved in, said to my friends I was leaving (they thought I was joking), left my table and boxes and went. It was summer time and around mid day, I went to my local pub, got drunk and waited for my friends to come down after they had finished work. I then had some more drinks and a ham and cheese toastie if I recall then went to the local night clubs. I Never looked back.

It wasn't until around 2002/4 that I fully converted to spreadbetting. For many reasons I didn't change all my contracts over to speadbetting, for one I knew very little about this seemingly new thing and knew even less about leverage and the damage it can cause.

I was going through all my old paperwork earlier today to find some contracts of open and closed positions from back then. This was when trading was done by telephone and teletext was a great thing. Also financial public documents were sent via post in hard copy, yep, a real book. I still have the contracts somewhere as I never throw anything business related out. It even includes my div payments. Would be good to post a screenshot of some of them in my journal but so far I haven't spent long enough to find them, there in the attic somewhere.

For the timeline I am 35 years old now. 36 in December.

Lee
 
Cheers for taking the time to post that.
Sound like you had your head screwed on a lot better than I did at that age.
(y)

I spent most of my 20's clubbing, beach parties, usual stuff.
Only really started take things a little more seriously in last 10-12 years.
Whats done is done, I don't regret it, education from the university of life :)
 
Cheers for taking the time to post that.
Sound like you had your head screwed on a lot better than I did at that age.
(y)

:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

If we ever meet up one day I'll tell you a story that will make you cry.

Head screwed on should be replaced with Head screwed up. Lots of money at a young age changes you and the people around you a lot. Feet and ground did not connect.

Needless to say I wont go in to detail here but I had some great cars, great friends (if you can call them that) and some great party nights (most nights). To say I was burning the candle at both ends and in the middle would put it nicely.

I now have a small handful of friends, true friends that is.

Like I said, if we ever meet up we can enjoy a nice cool pint and laugh about the past.

All the best,

Lee
 
No mate you fire away.

Here's the story (for which you'll find some parts involved with what we were discussing):

Started paper trading at 13 (1991)
Parent account at 17 (Father stood as guarantor and signatory as 18 is legal age) (1995)
Own account at 18(1996)
NOTE: I was trading shares outright / no leverage. T-14. 14 day account payment with £250k buying power on trust of payment and a temporary overdraft facility for clearance of £20k.

Started buying houses at 18/19 (1997 1st property 2 bed terrace) and built up slowly over 8 years. During my late teens I was considered extremely rich by my friends standards (for which I had many) as I had a stock portfolio worth 10's of thousands and several properties. They laughed as I used to get around by push bike a lot. Here's the thing, I was rich on paper - you know the story here. Plus I could drink and ride with no problem of losing my licence.

During this time the mortgages were being mainly paid by the rental income (plus a large float for disasters - 6 month survival fund) plus the portfolio was handing out dividends plus capital. But, I didn't have anything stable and the 9/11 incident caught me out and hurt financially, To be honest the portfolio was failing prior to this event. It was at this time I then worked in a warehouse stacking fags in boxes to a make stable money, I had a lot of time on my hands as most of my good friends worked. I didn't stick it for long and was there long over due to the point where I no longer cared and eventually walked out one day and never went back, I didn't care to hand in notice and all that, there was simply no need as the wages were no where near what I had accumulated by the properties, the stock portfolio (which recovered greatly over the ensuing months but with less stock as some was sold off), and my personal bank account. I finally caved in, said to my friends I was leaving (they thought I was joking), left my table and boxes and went. It was summer time and around mid day, I went to my local pub, got drunk and waited for my friends to come down after they had finished work. I then had some more drinks and a ham and cheese toastie if I recall then went to the local night clubs. I Never looked back.

It wasn't until around 2002/4 that I fully converted to spreadbetting. For many reasons I didn't change all my contracts over to speadbetting, for one I knew very little about this seemingly new thing and knew even less about leverage and the damage it can cause.

I was going through all my old paperwork earlier today to find some contracts of open and closed positions from back then. This was when trading was done by telephone and teletext was a great thing. Also financial public documents were sent via post in hard copy, yep, a real book. I still have the contracts somewhere as I never throw anything business related out. It even includes my div payments. Would be good to post a screenshot of some of them in my journal but so far I haven't spent long enough to find them, there in the attic somewhere.

For the timeline I am 35 years old now. 36 in December.

Lee

It was either 2001 or 2002 when I first opened a SB account with IG, and trading was definitely via the internet then, even if connections and computers were so slow and unreliable that you often needed to phone to find out what was going on. Ah, the great days of 8pt spreads on markets with 1pt now.
 
I'm sure this has been said already, and the conversation seems to have moved on somewhat but this article really didn't tell us anything about how to make money from spread betting. I was hoping for some insights into price action or something along those lines etc. ;) Didn't really need to know the guys life story.
 
I'm sure this has been said already, and the conversation seems to have moved on somewhat but this article really didn't tell us anything about how to make money from spread betting. I was hoping for some insights into price action or something along those lines etc. ;) Didn't really need to know the guys life story.
Hi SamIP,
Well, Charles wheeler pretty much invented spread betting - so the thread was never really likely to focus on things like price action. However, if that's what you want, there are any number of threads on the topic. Just click on the 'Quick Links' box above (just under the main red header panel) and enter 'price action' into the search box. Select 'threads' rather than posts and away you go.
Enjoy!
Tim.
 
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