Greece may exit the Euro ?

A tricky problem indeed because companies can move their HQs to tax havens if the country they presently reside in tries too hard to squeeze them for tax. Ireland, Luxemburg, The Virgin Islands etc. could easily become the new industrial/corporate giants of the planet !!


Let them. If a continent as large as Europe with high disposable income is to be operated on then they'll locate eventually. Levy VAT. Remember tax is only paid on profits.

People are smart enough to devise methods to tax such multinationals whether they are Amazon or Starbucks.

Not suggesting high or excessive taxation just basic taxation in common with the rest of domiciled public etc.


Having said that I've read somewhere that all tax is government theft so opinions no doubt vary... :whistling
 
Adolf Hitler left them alone. Why? Maybe he wanted fkinancial access to the outside world, I don't know, but it shows that they are survivors.
 
Adolf Hitler left them alone. Why? Maybe he wanted fkinancial access to the outside world, I don't know, but it shows that they are survivors.

Maybe he had some money stashed away with them himpself :rolleyes:
 
Hard, VERY hard, rocky country protected by a mountain range and bounded by water. Resources militarily extend to some produce, olives, and not much else in bulk.
So, not very exciting to Hilter. Also, it was a very homogeneous population as well.
 
Interesting story of some holiday makers just back from Greece. When they got there they were surprised to find scaffolding around their hotel, even though the building didn't look very new. On travelling around they were even more surprised to find scaffolding on nearly every hotel in the area. Guess what, it turns out to be a tax dodge. Tax can only be collected once the hotel is completed !!

:cool:
 
Interesting story of some holiday makers just back from Greece. When they got there they were surprised to find scaffolding around their hotel, even though the building didn't look very new. On travelling around they were even more surprised to find scaffolding on nearly every hotel in the area. Guess what, it turns out to be a tax dodge. Tax can only be collected once the hotel is completed !!

:cool:

Interesting as I was thinking if anybody can collect tax in Greece it surely must be Syriza. I think they will be very hard with the rich dodgers.

Let's hope they can be the Robin Hood party of Greece. (y)
 
Greece has edged closer to leaving the eurozone after talks with European finance ministers broke up with no agreement on a new rescue package for the debt-stricken country.

A Greek official close to the talks in Brussels described the insistence on keeping the current bailout programme as unreasonable.

“The Greek authorities have indicated that they intend to successfully conclude the programme, taking into account the new government’s plans,” stated a draft of the rejected communique, which had been crossed through. A Greek official said the euro group had attempted to repeat the existing programme, which was unacceptable to Greece.

Both sides began the talks in entrenched positions. Arriving in Brussels for the discussions, Wolfgang Schäuble, Germany’s finance minister, said he was not optimistic of reaching a deal. “I’m quite sceptical, the Greek government has not moved apparently.”

Earlier, Schäuble accused the Syriza-led coalition government headed by Alexis Tsipras of “acting irresponsibly” and said he felt sorry for the Greek people.

Schäuble’s comments prompted an instant retort from the Greek government, with a spokesman in Athens saying that Berlin was also acting irresponsibly.

Pressure has been mounting on the finance ministers from the 19-strong euro group to find a way of negotiating an extension of Greece’s credit line before the current programme expires at the end of the month.

Greece’s government has called for bridging loans to help it avoid a short-term cash crisis while it negotiates a less onerous bailout deal with the rest of the eurozone.

“We are determined to clash with mighty vested interests in order to reboot Greece and gain our partners’ trust. We are also determined not to be treated as a debt colony that should suffer what it must,” Greece’s finance minister, Yanis Varoufakis, wrote in an article in the New York Times on Monday.

Varoufakis, an economics professor who specialises in game theory, insisted Greece is not bluffing about its negotiating tactics. He wrote: “I am often asked: ‘What if the only way you can secure funding is to cross your red lines and accept measures that you consider to be part of the problem, rather than of its solution?’ Faithful to the principle that I have no right to bluff, my answer is: ‘The lines that we have presented as red will not be crossed. Otherwise, they would not be truly red, but merely a bluff.’”

With Germany and Greece deadlocked, eurozone ministers voiced scepticism about getting an agreement on Monday. Peter Kažimír, Slovakia’s finance minister and deputy prime minister, said he expected to return to Brussels for another meeting soon. “It is difficult to expect conclusions tonight, it’s too early.”

Greece’s current financing expires on 28 February and Monday’s euro group meeting was billed as the last chance to secure a deal. But expectations are rising that another “final’ meeting could be held later this week.

The first formal negotiations between Greece and its eurozone partners since Syriza swept to power last month broke up last week without any breakthrough.

The gloomier mood surrounding the talks made it more expensive for the Greek government to service its national debt, currently 175% of annual national output. The interest rate on three-year Greek debt rose by almost 1.5 percentage points to 17.15%, while the interest rate on 10-year bonds was up by just under 0.25 points to 9.74%.
 
I listened to this morning's "Up All Night" on BBC 5Live (about 0445). So many members of Eurozone cannot be allow Syrica to be seen to have won. Spain, for example. If that happens the present government is "Out"! There are elections due at end of year and the pro Podemos suporters are watching closely what is happening in Greece.

One problem is that Syrica won on such an uncompromising manifesto that there is very little wriggle room in the talks, for either side.
 
I think Greece would be better off on it's own with the drachma. It needs some entrepreneurial skill to make it a country that is worth visiting. Have casinos, tavernas and all the rest of it to make the country a fun place. Different areas for different age and interests groups etc. On with the cheap holidays and out with the people who have stashed their cash abroad. With their natural resources not too hard imho.

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Not looking good for the Euro.... if EURUSD tanks today.. this could be a 1000+ pip move...
 
Christ I wish they would get on with it .......I fancy a 2 week holiday in skiathos for £20

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"Varoufakis" is a Greek word... which translated in English means : "the Euro is f****d" !
 
Let's see what that great philosopher has to say

He who will not economize will have to agonize.

Confucius
 
I don't mind if Drahma is brought into play again, we'll got another volatile pair to profit from& I could keep on with my bear positions on EUR/USD ;)
 
Greek finance minister Yanis Varoufakis was yesterday branded ‘a time-waster, a gambler and an amateur’ during furious exchanges with his European counterparts.

In private talks that were described as a ‘hammering’ for Greece in the Latvian capital of Riga, eurozone finance ministers hurled abuse at Varoufakis, pictured, amid warnings that a Greek exit from the single currency is now a ‘serious’ option.

Jeroen Dijsselbloem, the Dutch chairman of the Eurogroup of treasury chiefs, could barely contain his anger at the failure by Athens to deliver the economic reforms required to secure further emergency funding to keep Greece afloat.

Greece desperately needs the next tranche of its bailout to survive – worth around £5.2billion – but is at loggerheads with Europe and the International Monetary Fund over what is required to release the funds.

‘A comprehensive and detailed list of reforms is needed,’ said Dijsselbloem. ‘We are all aware that time is running out. Too much time has been lost. The responsibility lies mainly on the side of the Greek authorities.’

Varoufakis insisted that the two sides have come ‘much closer together’ and that Athens is ready to make ‘big compromises’ to secure the funding required to stave off bankruptcy. But Dijsselbloem said there are still ‘big, big problems to be solved’. Malta’s finance minister Edward Scicluna said: ‘I would describe today’s meeting as a complete breakdown in communication with Greece.’

Manfred Weber, an ally of German chancellor Angela Merkel, said: ‘Today it’s the case that the entire eurozone stands against Greece. There are more serious discussions about Grexit.’

According to Bloomberg, finance chiefs at the Eurogroup meeting in Riga said Varoufakis’s handling of the situation was ‘irresponsible’ and accused him of being ‘a time-waster, a gambler and an amateur’. If Greece does not sign up to painful reforms in order to secure fresh funding, it may not be able to repay the IMF the £720million it owes next month. Failure to repay the money would lead to default – and could force Greece out of the euro.

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Greece just can't keep up under the present circumstances and like the lame marathon runner should drop out to continue at a more leisurely pace later imho.
 
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