Forex pips profit compounded per day?

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Question,

I am amazed about how much potential profit you can make on forex, am I right in thinking if you can make 20 pips per day, you are on your way to make a small fortune?

Start,

pips(20)*stake(1)=profit1(20)

profit1*pips = (400)

Stop when profit1=1million

This compounded way of reinvesting your profit of pips should make alot of money very quickly??...

is this viable?
 
If you average 20 pips a day, just set it so that 20 pips is 1% of your account, do it for 5 years with a starting account of 10k, then we have the following:

10000*1.01^(230*5) = £932,350,000

As you can see, its easy to come up with theoretical compounded account growth estimates, a lot harder to achieve them. Ask yourself whether the people who do average 20 pips a day (there are probably quite a few of them on T2W) are this rich.
 
If you average 20 pips a day, just set it so that 20 pips is 1% of your account, do it for 5 years with a starting account of 10k, then we have the following:

10000*1.01^(230*5) = £932,350,000

As you can see, its easy to come up with theoretical compounded account growth estimates, a lot harder to achieve them. Ask yourself whether the people who do average 20 pips a day (there are probably quite a few of them on T2W) are this rich.

932 million? I dont believe any trader on this forum makes this amount of money...

but I do beleive there a traders making 20 points a day though!!

I beleive there is a limit which stops you from doing this! max stake size etc...
 
If you average 20 pips a day, just set it so that 20 pips is 1% of your account, do it for 5 years with a starting account of 10k, then we have the following:

10000*1.01^(230*5) = £932,350,000

As you can see, its easy to come up with theoretical compounded account growth estimates, a lot harder to achieve them. Ask yourself whether the people who do average 20 pips a day (there are probably quite a few of them on T2W) are this rich.

why do you think this is not achievable as a target?...
 
why do you think this is not achievable as a target?...

The irony of asking questions like this, is that once you are actually able to average 20 pips a day, every day, you will probably know the answer anyway!!

Why use it as a target when no-one has ever managed to turn 10k into 932 million in 5 years? Setting yourself a target that would represent a better performance than anyone has ever achieved is maybe setting yourself up to not reach the target.

Although Tiger Woods etc may disagree, so go for it!!! Let us know what happens!!
 
Why ?


Paul

Well, the only real answer that everyone will agree with is that's is just my personal prejudice. However, very briefly:

* One pip in a currency price means the sqaure root of sweet FA; IMO, a tradeable currency move will be of the order of 100's of pips - anything below this is just noise.

* In the context of scalability, fixed pip targets and compounding returns are counter intuitive.

* A gross generalisation, but any FX trader that aims for such a return measured in single pips is probably trading on inappropriate timeframes.

* doesn't take into account the skill in execution or distribution that a large currency trade will require.
 
Mr Gecko,

The question "Why?" concerned your irritation with "pips". Then we get a fckin' expositon to cover your irrational prejudices. I'm afraid, Mr Gecko, it doesn't wash. If you're in a hole...

Grant.
 
Question,

I am amazed about how much potential profit you can make on forex, am I right in thinking if you can make 20 pips per day, you are on your way to make a small fortune?

Start,

pips(20)*stake(1)=profit1(20)

profit1*pips = (400)

Stop when profit1=1million

This compounded way of reinvesting your profit of pips should make alot of money very quickly??...

is this viable?

If you average 20 pips a day, just set it so that 20 pips is 1% of your account, do it for 5 years with a starting account of 10k, then we have the following:

10000*1.01^(230*5) = £932,350,000

As you can see, its easy to come up with theoretical compounded account growth estimates, a lot harder to achieve them. Ask yourself whether the people who do average 20 pips a day (there are probably quite a few of them on T2W) are this rich.

there are practicalities involved.
firstly, the amounts are exponential, not linear.

assuming 200 trading days per year (allowing for holidays, potential sick days, system downs, bad ju-ju, etc)

after 50 days (3 months) your account is worth £16K.
after 100 days (6 months) its worth 27K.
150 days (9 months) £44K.
after one year, "only" £72K. (I say only, to illustrate that the 900million is not earned linearly over the five years, but in the latter parts of the project)

now, assuming you have put aside a years worth of money for the first year, you will be drawing from the account to live on; say, 40-50K.
at the start of year 2, your account is starting from 20-30K, not 70K.

the above assumes tax-free growth. even if the first year is free, at some point you need to go DMA. any profits will be taxed.

I thought 20 pips a day was viable. It is. But its a real grind. I havent done the equivalent of turing £xK into 7xK.
You also have to go gunning for 30-40 pips in reality, to factor in losing days.
20 pips should be "nett".

I am also curious why pip Mr Gecko doesnt like counting in pips. I always thought thinking in terms of pips made to pips risked, and factoring in win/loss ratio was a good way of "normalising" data so comparisons are easier to make between different systems.

have a good trading week.
 
I think returns and how they are measured is governed by how you decide to trade and especially how long a trade is likely to be. I have one approach to trading that I use where I am in and out of the market in less than 2 minutes. It does not lend itself to large moves but it is highly profitable and I measure profit in ticks. Now another approach I take is much longer term and in this case I factor in market volatility and position size relative to it. The measure of profit is based more on percentages as mentioned elsewhere.

To me it is about using appropriate measures for the time fame being traded.


Paul
 
mY ADVICE, DONT PAY TOO MUCH ATTENTION TO THESE KIND OF QUESTIONS, HOW YOU WILL DEVELOP WILL DEPEND ON HOW YOU BEHAVE, PAY ATTENTION TO THESE GUYS EXPERTISE AND YOU CAN BE SUCCESFULL, MAYBE THE SAME QUESTION MADE ON A DIFERENT WAY CAN PAY YOU KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU CAN TURN INTO PROFIT
 
Well Trendie,i Dont Like Either To Count In Pips Because Percentages Are More Explicit, So In These Case I Will Have To Agree With Mr Gecko
 
It really, really bugs me when currency traders talk about Pips.

You prefer Tits ?

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