Evening trading US shares

What you call a "large order" is not, of itself, significant.
Just as you realised about the answer to your question what is a buy and what is a sell, the more you think about what is on that screen, the more you will understand for yourself.
That's what dvdh was saying, it's all there in that snapshot.
Richard
 
What you call a "large order" is not, of itself, significant.
Just as you realised about the answer to your question what is a buy and what is a sell, the more you think about what is on that screen, the more you will understand for yourself.
That's what dvdh was saying, it's all there in that snapshot.
Richard

thanks Richard,

I understand it's better to work things out for yourself most times

I'll have another think/look

cheers
belflan
 
That's great you understand that :)
Sometimes your own thinking process produces a deeper understanding than just being told the answers.
Richard
 
Yesterday was a choppy day, but I had a look at the market last night just before 7pm and went through all the stocks I'd had on my watch list earlier.
One of them was FITB, identified because of the WB news in the commercial bank sector, weakness in that sector and that it had trended down early in the day - I'd scalped it twice on the way down. FITB continued to move down and I decided to short the break of the pre-7pm low for what looked as if it might be a 5 min candle swing trade.
Short was at $19.39 with an initial stop at the $19.50c level.
The 10 period ema was going to be my guide as the stock had steadily moved down all day and began to head south again.
A little later I had a minor retracement against me and I was on the verge of exiting for a 2c loss if it wasn't for two MMs sitting unmoved above the best ask. It headed south again. Only level 2 could have told me that in advance, NOT the chart.
I covered a few minutes from the close and took 37c to add to the scalps earlier in the day.
A couple of points - stocks which move in one direction early in the day often resume their move in the evening and there are almost always good trades to find even on a choppy go-nowhere sort of day, provided you look in the right place. Although the market might not be going in your direction, you are not actually trading the market, you're trading a stock, so although market and sector matter, they are not the be all and end all; the stock is acting individually, BUT with market and sector influences.
In my personal view, it's better not to trade with every market twist and turn on a choppy day as you tend to get chopped up.
You don't spit into the face of an oncoming gale, but you can take a stroll even if the breeze is wafting gently against you.
Works for me anyway.
Richard
 
One of them was FITB, identified because of the WB news in the commercial bank sector, weakness in that sector and that it had trended down early in the day - I'd scalped it twice on the way down. FITB continued to move down and I decided to short the break of the pre-7pm low for what looked as if it might be a 5 min candle swing trade. Short was at $19.39 with an initial stop at the $19.50c level.
Hi Richard,
Funnily enough, FITB was on my watchlist too!
I shorted it at an earlier point in the day, on the cross hairs on the attached chart. It dropped initially upon entry and then started to consolidate as we headed into the U.S. lunchtime session. Based upon the consolidation pattern, the time of day and the flattening 10 EMA, I decided to move in my stop loss down from just above 19.80 at entry to the dark yellow horizontal line at 19.71. Stopped out on the candle circled in bloo for -3 cents per share. Bit of a bummer given what happened in the afternoon. Hats off to you Richard - experience shows!
;)
Tim.
 

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sector symbols

Hi guys,

I am trading US stocks. I check out the sectors as a part of my trading. I got most of the sector symbols in esignal, but I am still missing some. Maybe you can help me.

I am looking for the sector symbols of: CASINO/GAMING, TELE COMMUNICATION, INSURANCE and SERVICES.

Kind regards,

thevinman
 
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It's always worth looking for an alternative stock in case you can't short the one you want.
Today, ABK was on my radar and when the set up and trigger came I attempted to short it and found my broker didn't have enough to lend me. MBI moved broadly in line with ABK and there was no problem shorting it.
Richard
 
Hi guys,

I am trading US stocks. I check out the sectors as a part of my trading. I got most of the sector symbols in esignal, but I am still missing some. Maybe you can help me.

I am looking for the sector symbols of: CASINO/GAMING, TELE COMMUNICATION, INSURANCE and SERVICES.

Kind regards,

thevinman

What you need is a software to tell you what sector is WEAK or STRONG relative to a leading indicators such as S&P500 so you can position yourself intra day.. I have given a code on Technical Trader to identify these opportunities called IRAJ N MINUTE INDU ,,, Join the forum and down load it for free.

People have been telling me it has made a major contribution to their intra day trading ,, The code can also be used for swing and postion trading which I often insist upon than intra but the choice is urs

PS:-- I gave a LIVE trading day with best Traders of this site in the room on 29th FEB 2008 and I used the same concept to take the trades. An 8 hour session with all the emphasis on the above technique and a profitable day too ,,, so you are on the right path

Grey1
 
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Hello Sir,
I hope all is well with you :)

casino/gaming - don't know the eSignal index, but I tend to keep an eye on LVS MGM WYNN, the biggest players; there is an index Resorts & Casinos Overview: Industry Center - Yahoo! Finance which should give you a good idea.

nasdaq insurance - $INSR

nasdaq telecoms - $IXTC

Best wishes,
Richard


Hi Mr Charts,

Yes I am doing fine and I am still day trading. Thank you for the symbols.(y)

For the sectors I follow, I have the big movers on a list. This way when a sector is on the move I will find the best stock to trade. I use ETF's and sectorindices to follow the sectors.

Nice sectors to follow are: $XAL airlines (UAUA, CAL, BA); $SCP Coal ( ACI, ANR, BTU, CNX, FDG, MEE,WLT); $STQ Steel ( AKS, ATI, GGB, MT, NUE, SID, STLD).

Thanks for helping me out,

thevinman
 
I mentioned the commercial bank sector in post #1004 and I've kept an eye on it since.
TSFG came onto my radar y'day a few minutes after market open but I didn't trade it. Today it appeared again pre-market so I had a chart of it open, watching to see if it set up.
It moved steadily down but I was busy trading other stocks.....to be continued
 
Today, I had one of best days ever. Not my P&L but dollars per share!

I had a HUGE trade on POT.
I shorted 202.92 average. And as soon as we went through 202, big sellers came in. It started off with someone offering 14k at 201.70, the thing didn't look back anymore. One straight sell off down to a little under 192. I exited at 193.57.
This baby made me $ 9.35 a share.

Then I had a great trade on BG.
I shorted BG at 116.25, just before I took that screenshot.
I exited at 112.68.
BG made me $ 3.57 a share.

Totalling $ 12.92 a share on those 2 trades.

BG was on a 30 second chart and POT on a 15 second chart.
 

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sorry for the break, a stock set up and I traded it - it did not pan out and I exited for just a 3c profit - a failed trade


continued.......and it wasn't till just before 3pm UK (1000 ET) time it set up. The trigger as usual for me is the level2 T&S and when that happened I shorted the stock. That's on the red X hairs on the chart.
I was slightly late into the move as it was very weak on the bid side and it had fallen a few cents from the ideal entry point.
The exit point was at the time of the image because the furious waterfalling on level 2 was no longer one way and I like to exit on volume blow offs as they can reverse quite quickly.
This gave me almost a whole dollar run in under 5 minutes.
I know the words "no brainer" and "hot stocks" annoy people, but what I'm trying to say is that trades like these are not rocket science. You don't need a myriad of "magic" indicators. When strong sentiment takes over, often on fundamentals rather than technicals, and the move is not all over the place on the chart these situations are there to make money from.
Richard
 
Here's what it looked like later. It was right to exit on that volume blow off.
 

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This is my opinion, fwiw, on ATR.
It gives you a rough idea of the volatility of a stock but cannot be relied upon as a basis for stops, at least not in its basic form, imho.
Range expansion can and does occur very fast so you cannot regard ATR x 1 to be a stop loss.
On range expansion it is very common for the ATR to change very fast to ATR x 2.5 or 3
Just look at the ATR on the above chart.
Richard
 
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