timsk
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Thanks for the feedback everyone - your points are duly noted - with the following comments . . .
Whenever I spot a member criticising T2W, its staff or Mods - I will step in and comment as, (rightly or wrongly), I consider it part of my job to explain our position so that members can weigh up both sides of the argument. If I didn't do that and challenge what I perceive very often to be false allegations then, to my mind, it looks weak and some members may wonder if there's some truth in the allegations being made. It's then a short hop, jump and a skip to conclude that the site, staff and mods are all in the pockets or the spread bet firms - or whatever. So that's why I responded as I did to Larry a few pages back. As and when I revert to normal member status - I will probably do as you advise and stay out of these 'discussions' altogether.
Hopefully, some changes for the better will be made in due course. As always, your patience is appreciated - and please don't let idiots stop you from posting or, worse still, drive you away from the forum. Almost certainly, that's their agenda - so let's not give them that satisfaction!
Tim.
Tom - you know I know you're a good guy - one of the best - and it pains me almost as much as you to see your integrity and motive for helping newbies being questioned. I will mention this to Sharky and recommend the Community Constitution (CC) is amended in a way that facilitates swift and decisive action by the Mods to ensure that attacks of this nature on members like you, barjon et al aren't allowed to continue.. . . I don't personally care if some poster I don't even know, like or respect thinks I might be a fool, or even a dishonest fool. But their contributions here have undermined healthy debate and I dare say many old and new members are discouraged, one might say intimidated.
If matters don't immediately improve I'll take a 6 month break from the site.
I hear you dbp. But believe me when I say that the 'other reason' that fl and his ilk don't get banned sooner has nothing to do with any misguided view about the number of posts, page views and the like. It's far more mundane and boring than that: it's all to do with the constraints of the CC as it stands, along with time and not wanting to make a rod for one's own back etc.If the assumption is incorrect in this case, then there must be some other reason for letting this sort of thing go on for so many months. As for considering Larry and their ilk, I've been a member since '03, and this is hardly the first occurrence (you may recall my being hounded by Albert Labos, which is the chief reason why I accepted the offer of my own forum elsewhere).
I'm part of the team in name only these days: I no longer receive any remuneration from T2W and anything I do (precious little to be honest) is on a voluntary basis. I take your point about the re-active rather than pro-active nature of the Mods and, although I'm sure Sharky is aware of this, I'll make it clear that in your view at least this approach is not effective. I can't comment on posts that are reported but aren't acted upon - other than to say that the Mods look at the post and the reason given for reporting it and then make a decision about how best to proceed. Unfortunately, it's simply not practicable for them to respond to the reporting member explaining their actions (or lack thereof) and why.Since you're part of the "team", I'm surprised you haven't seen the stats. In any case, the "team" should revisit its mission statement as it is out of synch with events. As for the CC, its relative uselessness was established recently in the feedback thread (vague, open to interpretation, toothless) and again in the amount of time it took to move this particular mountain, which should under different circumstances have been a molehill. As for moderators claiming not to have the time to read posts and relying on members using the Report facility instead, it must also be clear by now that nobody is going to continue to report posts week after week, month after month, when nothing happens as a result of having reported the post(s).
Noted.You can come back if you like with how everybody's working so hard and everything is great but that has little to do with the perception on the members' side, which is that little control is exercised over the trolls which spoil the t2w experience. Why after all come here if doing so means stepping into a c*ck fight (and I'm not talking about roosters) or subjecting oneself to ridicule? Why write articles? Why initiate threads? These are questions the "team" ought to be addressing.
I believe Paul (Trader333) has addressed this already.Incidentally, deleting all Larrystone's posts and leaving those posts which quote them amounts to a rubber sword. There are more effective means of dealing with trolls that are known to any moderator. Even ten years ago (at least) the moderated post option was available in every forum software.
Generally speaking Richard - I completely agree with you. However . . .Words of wisdom
Personally I learnt long ago never to engage with the trolls and wreckers. It only gives them the attention they crave and encourages them to plummet to new depths of ignorance and foolishness.
Whenever I spot a member criticising T2W, its staff or Mods - I will step in and comment as, (rightly or wrongly), I consider it part of my job to explain our position so that members can weigh up both sides of the argument. If I didn't do that and challenge what I perceive very often to be false allegations then, to my mind, it looks weak and some members may wonder if there's some truth in the allegations being made. It's then a short hop, jump and a skip to conclude that the site, staff and mods are all in the pockets or the spread bet firms - or whatever. So that's why I responded as I did to Larry a few pages back. As and when I revert to normal member status - I will probably do as you advise and stay out of these 'discussions' altogether.
Hopefully, some changes for the better will be made in due course. As always, your patience is appreciated - and please don't let idiots stop you from posting or, worse still, drive you away from the forum. Almost certainly, that's their agenda - so let's not give them that satisfaction!
Tim.
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