Direction is everything.

Even a 2 post novice has more intelligence.

Yes, you're right. In fact, you're right about everything and know far more than any of us. But you don't want to share your insights, so why don't you fcku off?

Do you ever get tired of your sad lonely life?
 
Yes, you're right. In fact, you're right about everything and know far more than any of us. But you don't want to share your insights, so why don't you fcku off?

Do you ever get tired of your sad lonely life?


This whole frecking discussion is out of whack.The title should have been probability is everything.The probability of profits, stop losses getting hit and overall success of the method.

You can get direction wrong and still come out with the profit on a hedged trade in a ranging market, so direction is not everything.

Now I let the little boys start.:LOL:

Go figure it out.
 
Yoo got that roight cause markets range 80 % of the time.

As you wish, but there usually is a trend to be found on one time frame or another.

As for preferring the word "probability". Does not that word indicate some direction to you? It does to me.

You take care of your stops and money management. You'll make a fortune like that. :)
 
After a few years on the forums , you have gone one step behind ........more confused than ever .

Yoo got that roight cause markets range 80 % of the time.

Clearly Pento was kidding, but for these purposes, how do you define range, or were you merely repeating an oft-quoted statistic for rhetorical reasons?

I ask this because in the absence of a clear definition, it's quite defensible (depending on your parameters) to say markets range N% of the time (where 0 <= N <= 100).
 
Clearly Pento was kidding, but for these purposes, how do you define range, or were you merely repeating an oft-quoted statistic for rhetorical reasons?

I ask this because in the absence of a clear definition, it's quite defensible (depending on your parameters) to say markets range N% of the time (where 0 <= N <= 100).

Compare a 15 min chart with a daily chart, the price will range much more around a 15 min chart than daily chart.The daily difference between the high and lows of the 15 min chart on e/usd is 10 pips or 960 pips on average per day(24 hours *4*10),whereas the average daily low/high on the dailies is 140 pips.

On an approximate estimate, market trades in a range 80% of the time.
 
As you wish, but there usually is a trend to be found on one time frame or another.

As for preferring the word "probability". Does not that word indicate some direction to you? It does to me.

You take care of your stops and money management. You'll make a fortune like that. :)

It doesn't always indicate some direction.There are usually 80 % more trend failures by your own admission.

You are all frecking brainwashed by prigg alias prick, murphy ,elder ,tharp,Mr Turtle (Failed on a fund) and all the muthers who couldn't trade themselves.These people are nothing more than book writers.

Meanboy is completely phucked up in his trading brain.
 
It doesn't always indicate some direction.There are usually 80 % more trend failures by your own admission.

You are all frecking brainwashed by prigg alias prick, murphy ,elder ,tharp,Mr Turtle (Failed on a fund) and all the muthers who couldn't trade themselves.These people are nothing more than book writers.

Meanboy is completely phucked up in his trading brain.

I don't think that I have read any of the gentlemen you mention. I'm my own man and always have been, but great minds think alike.

You take care. It's getting to you.
 
oops. someone got banned...
Maybe Arabian will start a new thread about it :clap:

Peter

ADDED: Nevermind, I just saw the other thread!!
 
Yes, you're right. In fact, you're right about everything and know far more than any of us. But you don't want to share your insights, so why don't you fcku off?

Do you ever get tired of your sad lonely life?

MR, you have an ignore button...why not use it rather than to continually attack ODT?
 
MR, you have an ignore button...why not use it rather than to continually attack ODT?

I'm aware of the ignore feature, but on the assumption that 99% of people on this site don't have him on ignore, is he really the kind of troll that t2w should allow to post? Are anti-Semitic jokes "lulz"?

Anyway he seems to have been shelved for the time being. Nothing to stop him from coming back under a different guise though.
 
A Study in Ironic Entropy in Bulletin Board Thread Titles

For any trading strategy where instruments are bought/sold for an anticipated outright directional advantage, a means of assessing the likely directional bias is not only sensible, it’s vital. When you’ve got it right, you have the confidence to both initiate your position and utilise the on-going feedback necessary to manage your position sensibly. When you get it wrong, it’s even more important that you have a directional bias. The getting it wrong bit is where your money management and risk management come into play and you limit your downside. It doesn’t mean you’re assessment is wrong – yet. It may just mean your timing was off.

When I review my trades, I can often spot where I’ve taken a view on direction and traded accordingly when in retrospect, as I sit back from the chart, sobbing quietly, I acknowledge I was completely out of whack with the market. However, because I was trading with what I believed to be the trend, this (misplaced) confidence and the initial expectations of being on the right side enabled me to generate a small profit rather than pass on a no trade or even suffer a loser. If you’re carefully managing your trades with confidence you can take a Bull blip out of a Bear run without realising you’ve just bucked the trend. I’m not suggesting this as a gold star strategy – just a personal admission that even when you get it wrong (which for comfort and sense, should be less often than you get it right), you still get to manage your position intelligently and can, more often than not, snatch if not a victory, at least a few pennies from the jaws of defeat.

How you decide upon assessing a directional bias is up to you. How you identify timing opportunities is up to you.

Price action alone will do for some. I’m fairly old fashioned in this respect and reckon it’s pretty much all there for you on the chart without too many inds, though I do carry a few just for contrast and amusement. While I used to believe that the longer term timeframes were the ones that dictated (any) directional bias, my views have modified somewhat over the years. While it’s obvious the fundamentals are reflected in the longer TF charts, they matter less to you on your trading TF than do those TFs below your trading TF. If I want to know what time the train is going to reach this piece of track to which I’ve been tied, I’m less interested in what time it went by yesterday than I am in looking down the track to see what’s coming my way, today, right now. If you’re trading the hourlies, why would you imagine the H4 or Daily has anything to tell you about what’s going to happen next? It may (and more importantly may not) have some leverage on upcoming action. But there’s no mistaking the M30 is telling the hourly, and the M15 is informing the M30…I’d recommend looking at what’s coming down the track toward you (and your trading TF) – not in the other direction.

Other bods will quite happily use just a MACD or CCI above a specific value or require only that the slope of these (or other) indicators regardless of their level is supportive of their view.

While still others need the equivalent of a six-pack of multi-hued squiggles before feeling confident.

The problem with adding additional indicators to your price chart is that you have to start considering them. Otherwise you have to get rid of them as they serve no purpose.

And the more indicators you require to line up to confirm your view, the later you will get into the move, the smaller will be your slice of the action and the lower your gains relative to your risk. You’ll also, in theory, have fewer trades and fewer losing trades. Your winning trades will net you a smaller, but surer profit. It’s the perennial Risk:Reward issue and relates, as has been alluded to by other posters, far more specifically to personal trader personality/psychology than it does to any objective trading strategy.

Other traders will take the higher risk and bag more losing trades in order to get in earlier and capture more of the move on their winning trades.

There isn’t one correct way. You will, if you’re serious about trading, have assessed your trading strategies across the entire spectrum of risk:reward and the bottom line is, unsurprisingly, the bottom line. If getting in earlier nets you bigger wins on winning trades, and a lower percentage of winning trades, but an overall better bottom line than the next safest option, that you would think should be sufficient to convince any trader. But trading personality/psychology plays a far more significant role than does objective review of P&Ls for various strategies. Not realising that is where many come unstuck. The bottom line tends to be the last thing on most novice traders’ minds when they are trying to justify why they didn’t wait until they got all their ‘signals’/waited too long after they got all their ‘signals’ for entry/exit.

On a personal note, I would suggest there are a couple of possibly bigger questions than the OP poses (no disrespect Split). The first is not so much about assessing which directional bias has the higher probability, but whether there is any bias at all at the current time and dependent upon that, a systematic method of assessing the possibility of profitably moving to trading a structured derivative of that/those instruments (high/low volatility without specific direction over trading time has its own games). The second, what is the market offering you in terms of risk:reward? There are times when it is generous and times when it makes you work really hard for a 1:1. If you can assess that, in advance, then you are in fairly good place to decide when and if to play and on what terms. This does of course suggest a trader who is not in the thrall of the innate trading personality/psychology which they brought into the game in the beginning and to which many stick like glue, and make decent profits too, I’m not knocking it. But the trader who knows when he/she is taking a higher risk trade because it is appropriate to do so in the given circumstances and when it is sufficient/prudent to wait for a more advantageous/safer spot is one who has been able to trade their entire game up a degree. And that opens up a whole new dimension.
 
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