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Crikey, I wasnt born then. Seen a few of the old series though, but my period was with Mike Gambit, Purdey and Steed. But yes Diana Rigg in those skin tight leathers , I hear ya
Crikey, I wasnt born then. Seen a few of the old series though, but my period was with Mike Gambit, Purdey and Steed. But yes Diana Rigg in those skin tight leathers , I hear ya
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I think the general attitude and motives of a minority of T2W members could be better. It's a shame how a minority can really have the effect of creating a lasting non-favourable impression.
I compare T2W with Forex factory, and IMO, the general content of posts/threads within forex factory is better than at T2W.
I'm not calling myself a master, far from it, and let he who is without sin cast the first stone......
On FF, people are sharing many successful systems, and engage in constructive discussions, with the common goal being improvement and profit.
On T2W, when someone posts a half decent system, a lot of people only seem interested in trying to prove it is not good, that they know better, without even offering proper explanations as to why they think something is not good (how annoying is this?!), rather than focusing upon suggestions for improvement.
On T2W people are selling the kinds of systems, that are probably being shared much more freely on FF, without worry of how someone else using my strategy in the $2 trillion per day forex arena will affect my ability to get filled at the prices i want!
In general, i think FF generally lacks a lot of the ego driven, time wasting, non-constructive postings that T2W attracts. FF seems much more action/construction orientated.
Think about it, how SAD and POINTLESS is it, to engage in a battle of egos in an anonymous discussion forum! Doesn't really prove anyones a big tough man does it....................
I'm not working for FF BTW. I'm just pointing out how i think T2W could and should be improved.
The one thing i don't like when reading through a thread is off-topic, timewasting small-talk posts that can destabilise constructive threads. Why not save all that for the Foyer or the garbage can?
I compare T2W with Forex factory, and IMO, the general content of posts/threads within forex factory is better than at T2W.
I'm not calling myself a master, far from it, and let he who is without sin cast the first stone......
On FF, people are sharing many successful systems, and engage in constructive discussions, with the common goal being improvement and profit.
On T2W, when someone posts a half decent system, a lot of people only seem interested in trying to prove it is not good, that they know better, without even offering proper explanations as to why they think something is not good (how annoying is this?!), rather than focusing upon suggestions for improvement.
On T2W people are selling the kinds of systems, that are probably being shared much more freely on FF, without worry of how someone else using my strategy in the $2 trillion per day forex arena will affect my ability to get filled at the prices i want!
In general, i think FF generally lacks a lot of the ego driven, time wasting, non-constructive postings that T2W attracts. FF seems much more action/construction orientated.
Think about it, how SAD and POINTLESS is it, to engage in a battle of egos in an anonymous discussion forum! Doesn't really prove anyones a big tough man does it....................
I'm not working for FF BTW. I'm just pointing out how i think T2W could and should be improved.
The one thing i don't like when reading through a thread is off-topic, timewasting small-talk posts that can destabilise constructive threads. Why not save all that for the Foyer or the garbage can?
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completely agree JTrader
I don't think there is one thread of any sustance on t2w that has not been blighted by off topic comment and personal slurs.
It's a trait of us brits you see. Knock anyone you think is doing better than you or saying something you don't agree with.
Answer?
The thread starter/and or mods should delete any off topic posts to keep everything 'clean and to the point'.
(Now watch some smartarse delete this before too many people have read it.) lol.
I don't think there is one thread of any sustance on t2w that has not been blighted by off topic comment and personal slurs.
It's a trait of us brits you see. Knock anyone you think is doing better than you or saying something you don't agree with.
Answer?
The thread starter/and or mods should delete any off topic posts to keep everything 'clean and to the point'.
(Now watch some smartarse delete this before too many people have read it.) lol.
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Now that would keep topics on-course and focused. Good idea, but i suspect some users would abuse this. Human nature I guess. But surely the mods could be trusted.
The other classic British tendency is paranoia. i.e. on T2W people tend to sell their new improved "Retirement Enabler" strategy.
On FF (mainly Amercans??), these systems are shared for free with increased regularity. Maybe part of the reason for charging (the paranoia bit) is to compensate for the risk undertaken by the developer in that now they have let others in on their miracle setup, they may now struggle to get filled at the trade entry and exit levels in the $2 trillion per day forex arena.......
Does this equate to lack of community spirit?
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On T2W, FF, and TSW I've seen some fairly good free strategies posted, by some people who are programmers bordering on genius etc. Yet they have not managed to develop a Holy grail system for themselves.
Some of these free strats work well some of the time, at other times they do not. Therefore I have come to accept that this is just how the markets are. There is nothing wrong with trying to build your holy grail system/s, but no strategy will ever get anywhere near a perfect success rate. Or maybe I'm wrong.
On none of these websites have I ever seen a strategy posted that claims anywhere near a perfect success rate, despite some really talented minds in programming etc. actively pursuing this goal. If such a thing really did exist, surely just one kind hearted soul, would have shared this info for free by now?
Because they haven't (as far as i am aware) this leads me to think a trader has to be happy with a system that enables them to make a fair net profit, with gross profit outnumbering gross losses, and that any "commercial" system is likely to be little or no better than whats available for free.
Again and again, if its so good, why are you selling it? If you're selling it to help others because its enabled you to rack up enough profits, why not give it away for free?
The person selling their winning strat. for whatever inflated value may have developed an edge, and have balance sheets to prove it. However, the person buying this has to be able to apply the same decisions in the heat of the moment in real-time.
I have noticed an increased tendency to sell commercial strategies for increasingly inflated values on T2W, £3k etc. Maybe these are simple to use, and a bargain at double the price?
However, once word gets around that people are able to sell on T2W at increasingly inflated prices, this will surely attract ever growing numbers of charlatans, with the result being inexperienced novices being left dissatisfied and out of pocket. Where would be the community spirit in that?
Some of these free strats work well some of the time, at other times they do not. Therefore I have come to accept that this is just how the markets are. There is nothing wrong with trying to build your holy grail system/s, but no strategy will ever get anywhere near a perfect success rate. Or maybe I'm wrong.
On none of these websites have I ever seen a strategy posted that claims anywhere near a perfect success rate, despite some really talented minds in programming etc. actively pursuing this goal. If such a thing really did exist, surely just one kind hearted soul, would have shared this info for free by now?
Because they haven't (as far as i am aware) this leads me to think a trader has to be happy with a system that enables them to make a fair net profit, with gross profit outnumbering gross losses, and that any "commercial" system is likely to be little or no better than whats available for free.
Again and again, if its so good, why are you selling it? If you're selling it to help others because its enabled you to rack up enough profits, why not give it away for free?
The person selling their winning strat. for whatever inflated value may have developed an edge, and have balance sheets to prove it. However, the person buying this has to be able to apply the same decisions in the heat of the moment in real-time.
I have noticed an increased tendency to sell commercial strategies for increasingly inflated values on T2W, £3k etc. Maybe these are simple to use, and a bargain at double the price?
However, once word gets around that people are able to sell on T2W at increasingly inflated prices, this will surely attract ever growing numbers of charlatans, with the result being inexperienced novices being left dissatisfied and out of pocket. Where would be the community spirit in that?
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......and short members.chump said:
JTrader,
“T2W people are selling…systems…shared much more freely on FF”.
What cost me little or nothing to acquire – software, texts, programme code I will share freely. Similarly, software I write myself. However, where the acquisition cost is high in terms of cost, hours/effort to produce then there is a price to pay via cash or exchange. What’s the obverse? A Marxist utopia? Fine from a theoretical perspective, but we exist in a capitalist system where goods are priced at a demand level , regardless of whether some are excluded from the market. To work on socialist principles will lead to a good reputation and admiration for generosity but it is also the road to the poor house. (As a footnote (in the middle of a paragraph?) criticism of country’s economic advantage – cheap labour, low interest rates, undervalued currency – ring hollow from competitors.) I may be over-extending the implication of your point but it is no less valid – in my opinion - for that. Please note, I am not a right-wing, reactionary tihs-bag.
There a few loonies on T2W but there also a lot of generous people who have helped me (and others) considerably. It is the latter that strengthen the forums; the former, while an irritation, I ignore.
Grant.
“T2W people are selling…systems…shared much more freely on FF”.
What cost me little or nothing to acquire – software, texts, programme code I will share freely. Similarly, software I write myself. However, where the acquisition cost is high in terms of cost, hours/effort to produce then there is a price to pay via cash or exchange. What’s the obverse? A Marxist utopia? Fine from a theoretical perspective, but we exist in a capitalist system where goods are priced at a demand level , regardless of whether some are excluded from the market. To work on socialist principles will lead to a good reputation and admiration for generosity but it is also the road to the poor house. (As a footnote (in the middle of a paragraph?) criticism of country’s economic advantage – cheap labour, low interest rates, undervalued currency – ring hollow from competitors.) I may be over-extending the implication of your point but it is no less valid – in my opinion - for that. Please note, I am not a right-wing, reactionary tihs-bag.
There a few loonies on T2W but there also a lot of generous people who have helped me (and others) considerably. It is the latter that strengthen the forums; the former, while an irritation, I ignore.
Grant.
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Hi
I'm sure everyone can agree that if a person is charging hundreds or thousands £ for whats is basically an indicator/chart setup - that existed long before they discovered it, they're gonna face a barrage of suspicsion and questions, and very rightly so.
I'm sure everyone can agree that if a person is charging hundreds or thousands £ for whats is basically an indicator/chart setup - that existed long before they discovered it, they're gonna face a barrage of suspicsion and questions, and very rightly so.
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Very true chump.
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chump said:
"but for 'f..ks sake keep it to yourself"
I don't agree with that Chump. Your post is a philosophy in itself, an ideology for the suppression of philisophical ideas.
"You're born
You're dead
and there's a bit in between to fill"
Thats' just another belief system, no proof for it.
I do agree with your post in the sense that ideologies should not be forced onto a population
like in China for example, or brainwashing cults/governments etc. who use deliberate cohesive psychological control techniques (often in the form of religion or propaganda).
Apart from that I think people should be free to say what they like about the meaning of life.
Hope you're having a good day.
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Yes, I agree, there's no proof the other way either.
How's it all going? Are you still scalping?
David
ps I'm more 'Pascal's Wager'. i.e. nothing to lose and everything to gain by beleiving in God/higher power.
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JTrader said:Perhaps this thread was started as a troll?
and everyone who has replied, fits into one of the categories listed in the title. .................
Especially those replying before 0900 on a Saturday morning!
No it was started in all sincerity and seriousness and with compassion. There is too much flaming and misinformation going on imo and this was an attempt to get to the bottom of it.
What I'm saying is that if you think anyone obviously has many or all of the symptoms, which are pretty clear and easy to detect, that you should not take their bait and join in discussion because you will get drawn into an endless battle against someone who is desperate to save face and be praised and will go to extraordinary lengths to do it.
And not only that, but by spotting their supporters they are probably identifying suitable candidates for grooming to their misguided purpose, whatever that may be, by PM or other means.
"Exploitation of other people "
"They may take advantage of other people to make themselves look as good as they imagine."
They will never stop until they realise that they need help and do something about it. It is a chronic mental health problem.
However I don't expect anyone to agree with me or understand the dynamics as I percieve them, and I really don't mind if 99% think I'm wrong. It's not about me.
But if anyone who has the condition realises it and does something to eliminate it (has psychotherapy), then that means the information posted has hit the main target.
Glenn
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Hi Glenn i know what you mean.
I picked up a cyber stalker on another trading website.
He sent me a PM saying he had seen one of my threads and wanted to help me build a winning strategy, as people had helped him become a financially rich man. He sent me his "really good" strategy with an OK equity curve to match.
He did not say what the strategy did, had locked the strategy code, and he had not included commissions or slippage in his strategy, which once added, made it a net loser.
I pointed all this out to him. The locked strategy code immediately made me think this chaps a timewaster. But he replied saying this is nowhere near his best strategy and sent me a picture of the diagonal equity curve on his best "holy grail" strategy, and that the one he'd sent me he wouldn't consider trading.
I then stopped replying to his PM's.
All really weird and disturbing stuff - as he went to considerable effort - not to help!
He then started hijacking my posts/threads. This last bit seemed to be happening on T2W to me recently.
I picked up a cyber stalker on another trading website.
He sent me a PM saying he had seen one of my threads and wanted to help me build a winning strategy, as people had helped him become a financially rich man. He sent me his "really good" strategy with an OK equity curve to match.
He did not say what the strategy did, had locked the strategy code, and he had not included commissions or slippage in his strategy, which once added, made it a net loser.
I pointed all this out to him. The locked strategy code immediately made me think this chaps a timewaster. But he replied saying this is nowhere near his best strategy and sent me a picture of the diagonal equity curve on his best "holy grail" strategy, and that the one he'd sent me he wouldn't consider trading.
I then stopped replying to his PM's.
All really weird and disturbing stuff - as he went to considerable effort - not to help!
He then started hijacking my posts/threads. This last bit seemed to be happening on T2W to me recently.
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To be fair I dont think I've ever met anyone who hasn't been delusional, despertate or a tortured soul at one point or other in their lives.
With regards to trading I've personally found the best antidote is to read a chapter of Market Wizards or a similar quality book everyday. It keeps me grounded in the realities of this business.
There's so many liars/delusional types in trading it's important to stay solid in what you know,
especially if you're in a drawdown.
At the same time it's worth researching new ideas as there's often something new to learn.
There's a lot of deliberate con-men and well meaning fools in any business. It comes with the territory.
You have to use your experience and knowledge to separate fact from fiction / good business from misguided plans etc. After a while you know how to spot them in a second.
As regards, unpleasant posters etc. What can anyone say? the fact that they go out of their way to be unpleasant and rude says it all.
I havn't been on T2W for over a year and have already received one very unpleasant comment on another thread.
It's a bit like being verbally abused by a nasty drunk in a bar! What can you do? lol
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Glenn said:
Yes, I could be included in one of the categories in the title, certainly when a promising thread turns into a shambles. Then frustration, as I scan through pages of useless and irrelevant material until I get to some, poor, guy who is answering someone 20-30 posts back.
It's a shame and can't be what the majority of us were hoping for.
Split
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"You're born
You're dead
and there's a bit in between to fill ...this is about the only truth I think I know "
What about
your born , (you give birth to yourself)
your dead (your present human identity ceases to be )
your reborn
As for proof of it? laws of energy is that not it , the proof , well it is isnt it science fact not fiction and further evidenced in nature by the cycle (continuous circle of) of life.
I dont want (need) it to be that way, but it is that way isnt it?
Is that not the Truth of it ?
You're dead
and there's a bit in between to fill ...this is about the only truth I think I know "
What about
your born , (you give birth to yourself)
your dead (your present human identity ceases to be )
your reborn
As for proof of it? laws of energy is that not it , the proof , well it is isnt it science fact not fiction and further evidenced in nature by the cycle (continuous circle of) of life.
I dont want (need) it to be that way, but it is that way isnt it?
Is that not the Truth of it ?
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Glenn said:
Hi Glenn,
I appreciate what you are saying. As I posted above, 'conmen, mis-guided fools, and delusional types are in all areas of business'
Perhaps the above is very true of politics (as well as T2W politics) where image and saving face is all important no matter what the cost.
As I say my antidote is to read a chapter of Market Wizards everyday. It gives me immunity
from the above symptoms you describe.
It's a great post you have made because as traders we have to be constantly monitoring ourselves for signs of weakness as well as monitoring our susceptability to delusional triats in others.
I combine reading quality material with simple NLP exercises for 15 minutes a day to keep me focussed.
thanks for your post as it's a quality one.
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Brilliant first post.
What a pleasure to read a thread on t2w where there are no posts from anyone receiving Care in the Community.........for those non-UK readers Care in the Community is the phrase used by our government when they emptied our mental hospitals of violent offenders so they could cut costs and sell off the land to developers. You've got to wonder just who is insane sometimes.....
Which reminds me, I've just finished reading a book called Lila by the author of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance and there's an apposite line in there which made me think of t2w.
The gist of it is that when a set of crazy beliefs are held by one person they are called a delusion; when held by more than one - a cult, when held by many - a religion.
Richard
What a pleasure to read a thread on t2w where there are no posts from anyone receiving Care in the Community.........for those non-UK readers Care in the Community is the phrase used by our government when they emptied our mental hospitals of violent offenders so they could cut costs and sell off the land to developers. You've got to wonder just who is insane sometimes.....
Which reminds me, I've just finished reading a book called Lila by the author of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance and there's an apposite line in there which made me think of t2w.
The gist of it is that when a set of crazy beliefs are held by one person they are called a delusion; when held by more than one - a cult, when held by many - a religion.
Richard
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