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[starspacer]

barjon

I note that you have closed down the "options edge" thread that has been running since 2005, and until very recently has been the centre for serious on topic debate, simply because you "can't control you lot".

This "lack of control" that you exhibit is directly attributable to your inability or unwillingness to take decisive action. Most businesses cater for the majority, regardless of the vociferous minority and their twisted ideology and motives.

You have observed numerous farcical debates and did nothing. You have presided over the demise of what I considered to be a serious website. If T2W was my business you'd be fired in the morning.

But it's not, and you won't.

PT, what drivel spews forth from your keyboard. What you have just described is autocracy. Wake up and shake off your mental shackles my good man!

CYOF, keep the faith my friend. You have elevated yourself to the higher moral plane by speaking The Truth. Others will try and snipe at you; to bring you tumbling down to their level. This is classic mob behaviour and you must keep the faith.

But remember, they are The Mob. Their mind is controlled by The Thirty. You must feel sorrow for these poor deluded fools. They are trapped inside a vortex of confusion. They are incapable of putting forward rational debate and this is why they constantly sneer at you. Notice, how they are trying to whip up The Thirty to manipulate them into closing threads/deleting posts.

Morality above servility above lickspittle obsequiousness. Always.

starspacer

 

[A Dashing Blade]

....id like to ask you a question.....do you think you have at all added to the farce and consequentially made life difficult for barjon....or end of day.....is it all one side and you've done everything in your power to rise above the situation you belief to be this farce?
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The whole situation would (not could, but would) have been avoided had the original poster answered perfectly reasonable questions (asked from the very beginning) re margin, risk rather than totally ignoring them ("I am not concerned with such things" etc).

 

[SOCRATES]

The whole situation would (not could, but would) have been avoided had the original poster answered perfectly reasonable questions (asked from the very beginning) re margin, risk rather than totally ignoring them ("I am not concerned with such things" etc).

No, you are going to get it now, you really are.

First of all there are areas I will not consider because they directly contravene site guidlines and I have good reason to suspect a trap to lure me into areas I should not cross exist because to do so would get me banned which is probably what some of you would like, but are not going to get.

Secondly and far more importantly, these very same areas that arouse unwarranted curiosity in you and others are not suitable for discussion in a public forum with strangers I will have you know.

Membership of the Elite 34S Club is far more important to me that satisfying your curiosity in any event. It is neither prudent nor wise to discuss these matters with you, or anyone else on this site. These matters are for discussion among confidants. You do not fall into that category at all.

 

[SOCRATES]

barjon

I note that you have closed down the "options edge" thread that has been running since 2005, and until very recently has been the centre for serious on topic debate, simply because you "can't control you lot".

This "lack of control" that you exhibit is directly attributable to your inability or unwillingness to take decisive action. Most businesses cater for the majority, regardless of the vociferous minority and their twisted ideology and motives.

You have observed numerous farcical debates and did nothing. You have presided over the demise of what I considered to be a serious website. If T2W was my business you'd be fired in the morning.

But it's not, and you won't.

If I were the moderator I would not tolerate your attitude for one more minute and would have you instantly banned, not forgetting this is my thread and here you are posting this vitriol to bajon for no other reason you have seen fit to throw all your toys out of the pram all in one go.............somebody tell him this because not only does he post this agressive unacceptable diatribe on my thead but he boasts that he has put me., the creator of this very thread on ignore.

 

[barjon]

I have split off these comments about closing the options thread from the vanilla options thread. Profitaker's starting post seemed to have got lost, but it is there as the starting quote. It also appears as if starspacer started the thread - sorry about that, starspacer.

jon

 

[Charlton]

You are an arrogant and ignorant twerp you really are. If I were the moderator I would not tolerate your attitude for one more minute and would have you instantly banned, not forgetting this is my thread and here you are posting this vitriol to bajon for no other reason you have seen fit to throw all your toys out of the pram all in one go.............somebody tell him this because not only does he post this agressive unacceptable diatribe on my thead but he boasts that he has put me., the creator of this very thread on ignore. Can you find anyone on this site more rude and more pointedly ignorant and badly behaved than this disgusting creature ?

Socrates

Agreed wholeheartedly - PT's slagging off of Jon is bad form - very bad form indeed.

Charlton

 

[A Dashing Blade]

. . . and I have good reason to suspect a trap to lure me into areas I should not cross exist because to do so would get me banned which is probably what some of you would like, but are not going to get.

Socrates, hand on heart, I personally have no idea what you're on about. I have stated on a couple of threads that I don't think you should be banned.

Secondly and far more importantly, these very same areas that arouse unwarranted curiosity in you and others are not suitable for discussion in a public forum with strangers I will have you know.

I hope you don't mean my pointing out that Bulldozer refused to answer a margin question unless the questioner joined the P Club?

Membership of the Elite 34S Club is far more important to me that satisfying your curiosity in any event. It is neither prudent nor wise to discuss these matters with you, or anyone else on this site. These matters are for discussion among confidants. You do not fall into that category at all.

Again, hand on heart, I don't give a flying f**k what goes on in the P Club.

 

[A Dashing Blade]

.......whether the question was answered...or whether the fashion of the answer suited the individual reader....it does not excuse the manner in which this thread has been conducted by some....so unless hand on heart ...anyone involved can say theve done their individual best to keep personalities out of this debate...and not added to the "farce"...it would be unwise to blame others.people always look to excuse their own conduct.conduct is important.it opens and closes doors.call it karma if you like....

without good conduct a traders success will be short lived..

i am pointing at no one specifically but i suggest others dont also unless there whiter than white.

Mr Marcus, it really simple. Had the margin/risk questions been answered openly and honestly then that thread would not have degenerated in the ****-take it became. End Of.

 

[A Dashing Blade]

...so lets get this right....anything goes.....its excuses all conduct because socco didnt answer ...or didnt answer how people wanted....interesting.

Serious question (seriously serious). . . .how on earth do you construe a refusal to answer the question "how much margin is required to fund this trade" as not answering "how people wanted"?

 

[A Dashing Blade]

...ok...lets say he didnt answer at all....ok lets take that as the basis....is that an excuse for the rest of the conduct on the thread...no it isnt.....manners and conduct cost nothing....if you dont get what you want ....you dont throw tantrums...you can walk away.....end of.

Fair enough, but hang on (& again, seriously serious here), we also had all the rubbish about "writer won therefore buyer lost yah boo sucks" (factually incorrect, pm me if you want an explanation), posts on other forums re: his main strat is buying long dated OTM puts and scalping shot dated against them etc etc etc.

When you looked at the bigger picture, it was quite plain, in my opinion, that hidden agendas were in play.

 

[dbphoenix]

I shiver, bertie. I quake.

You disrupt and derail thread after thread and you're surprised when someone does it to you and get all boo-hooey about it.

Whatever goes around comes around, bertie. Stop whining and grow up.

 

[Profitaker]

do you think you have at all added to the farce and consequentially made life difficult for barjon....or end of day.....is it all one side and you've done everything in your power to rise above the situation you belief to be this farce?

No, I don't believe I've added to the farce. The 2 prized idiots of T2W are on ignore, and have been a quite some time. What else can I do ?

As for making things difficult for Barjon, well I think he is entirely responsible for that. If his solution to farcical behaviour is to close down a good thread rather than deal with the problem then perhaps he shouldn't be "moderating" in the first place.

 

[barjon]

No, I don't believe I've added to the farce. The 2 prized idiots of T2W are on ignore, and have been a quite some time. What else can I do ?

As for making things difficult for Barjon, well I think he is entirely responsible for that. If his solution to farcical behaviour is to close down a good thread rather than deal with the problem then perhaps he shouldn't be "moderating" in the first place.

profitaker

It was a good thread, but I think the key word here is "was". However, it became increasingly difficult to persuade people to argue rationally and with civility and so it deteriorated into a continual exchange of insults with very little of a constructive nature being said. Despite the fact that I deleted page after page of this no-one took notice so there was little point in letting it continue. The thread is closed - not deleted - so it remains in the archive for people to read.

jon

 

[Glenn]

John does an excellent job which on occasion borders on the impossible. All credit to him.

On a general note, dealing with personality disorder and the disruption it generates is something that most Psychiatric Nurses shy away from. Imagine having it in your face day after day, relentless until psychotherapy treatment is accepted.

"Patients with NPD often distance themselves from their therapists in a consistently demeaning and devaluing manner. In light of this, one may ask how does or can a nurse therapeutically establish a relationship with a patient who has difficulty trusting and who is prone to outbursts of anger, which may manifest in a hostile, self-destructive manner?"

And you can imagine the effect of NPD's on normal members of the public. "This guy's a n#tter, lets throw eggs at him".
Or worse, a few poor souls are persuaded to believe them.

Sometimes the wannabe gurus need to be given the Simon Cowell treatment and have their audition stopped -
"Next !".
And hopefully they will go and seek some help.

And from the Business perspective, for the good of the site, it's all very well having the tech and marketing and finance etc going on in the background, but Quality Control is paramount.
Production minus Sales = Scrap.
I think the Mods should be paid.

Glenn

 

[A Dashing Blade]

......yes...even if this is the case.....my point is still...one has to rise above all this ..otherwise it descends into farce and whatever the root cause....you can become part of the problem....there's an ole saying i remind myself.....if you play with pigs you get covered in doo doo.it takes far more to walk away from it all....since ive learnt to do this more and more....my results continue to improve.otherwise you enhance the very quality that keeps you in trades you should be cutting etc....
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Good point, well made and rationally argued. I agree.

 

[FXSCALPER2]

What I really find amusing is the fact that people think every organisation should be run democratically. We prefer democracy in our politics because anything else would be a bloody disaster what with all sorts of crazy people having equal rights and all. Businesses, on the other hand, should be run undemocratically. If some deranged fella posts 230,250 pages of b'ollocks all the time, here is what to do: delete the bloody things and ban the ****er. I reckon it is easy.

 

[neil]

Pointless thread - close it

 

[dc2000]

If I may post my thoughts here, In recent weeks I have posted relevent questions on some of the threads that have been started by CYOF and Soc, Now I may not agree with them on a trading level but I did make a consious effort to ask questions in a way that could not be considered as disruptive or provocative but to be honest this didnt last long T2W being constantly reffered to as a zoo and the members as monkeys or dunces or the question being just not worthy of a response was just plain rude and so elisited my responses.
With regard to BullD it is clear that both Soc and CYOF have a relationship with him whether this is commercial of just friendship is a matter of conjecture but they do seem to be championing his cause and website now despite being warned by Barjon they both continue to mention sites lounges or the s club how long this will be allowed to continue Im not sure, but we have been here before and members including myself were told that there should be no mention of our sites in our posts and this was imediately complied with.
As has been said you can put members on ignor but this is like putting a sticking plaster on a gapping wound when you look at things CYOF's recent lengthy thread on a six and nine letter word.

Something needs to be done and fast if this means that members are given warnings or banned for their conduct then so be it

 

[dbphoenix]

If I may post my thoughts here, In recent weeks I have posted relevent questions on some of the threads that have been started by CYOF and Soc, Now I may not agree with them on a trading level but I did make a consious effort to ask questions in a way that could not be considered as disruptive or provocative but to be honest this didnt last long T2W being constantly reffered to as a zoo and the members as monkeys or dunces or the question being just not worthy of a response was just plain rude and so elisited my responses.
With regard to BullD it is clear that both Soc and CYOF have a relationship with him whether this is commercial of just friendship is a matter of conjecture but they do seem to be championing his cause and website now despite being warned by Barjon they both continue to mention sites lounges or the s club how long this will be allowed to continue Im not sure, but we have been here before and members including myself were told that there should be no mention of our sites in our posts and this was imediately complied with.
As has been said you can put members on ignor but this is like putting a sticking plaster on a gapping wound when you look at things CYOF's recent lengthy thread on a six and nine letter word.

Something needs to be done and fast if this means that members are given warnings or banned for their conduct then so be it

Pretty much the same point I made elsewhere:

The issue need not necessarily be the number of mods but rather what it is exactly that the mods are supposed to do. Praising a moderator for doing a great job and criticizing him for doing a terrible job are equally inappropriate if no one agrees on what it is that the moderator is supposed to do.

If the moderator's job is to delete posts, there will be no end to it. If the moderator's job is to suspend the accounts of those whose behavior is generating the posts, then the problem of the posts virtually disappears. In other words, one can follow the dog day and night with a pooper-scooper, or he can get rid of the dog.

All of the turmoil of the last two months has centered around two people. If the moderators are tired of deleting posts and being referees, the solution is rather obvious.

If all members are allowed to be as aggressively insulting as CYOF and "socrates" are, then why in the world would anyone waste his time here? And if these two are to receive special treatment, what is the rationale?

 

[SOCRATES]

Pretty much the same point I made elsewhere:



If all members are allowed to be as aggressively insulting as CYOF and "socrates" are, then why in the world would anyone waste his time here? And if these two are to receive special treatment, what is the rationale?

Are you a sacred monster db phoenix ? No, you are a rank beginner, and as a beginner you ought to know your place in the trading firmament like I did many years ago when I first started,

The fact you are given all these rep points is meaningless and you should not get carried away with the exuberance of your own verbosity. I have less rep points than you but mine are awarded to me by members who are at my level or thereabouts and are able to instantly recognise the validity of it is I choose to post, which is a very different proposition to yours.

It may or may not be obvious to the majority of the membership but it is obvious to the handful of truly professional members that you are a rank beginner. We know this because you are incapable of oringinal thought. Everything you post is textbook stuff, and very tedious and boring it is too.

Much of it is theoretical and impractical nonsense that is very detrimental to newbies, who, because they are newbies do not have the correct yardstick to be able to properly evaluate what is nonsense and what is not (see below) but I will not let you get away with it when I spot it, but then on the other hand I do not have the time to follow all your mud pies and spend my time trying to put them right, as I have better things to do with my life than chase after you.

The amusing thng is that when I do not chase you, you try to get me to chase you, like some bored and frustrated and thwarted mistress who feels spurned.

I do wish you would finally grow up and get your act together, and stop whinging at every opportunity you get.