Capitalism

[Atilla]

I bet Atilla thinks that the money banks loan out comes from a magical printing press so therefore nobody needs to save! Perhaps he actually believes (and it wouldn't surprise me) that the money rich people are 'hoarding' in the bank is actually kept in a shoebox, in a safe, with the rich man's name and a sign on it saying "Don't touch"

After reading Atilla's idiotic post, does anyone here think he understands that savers are CREDITORS to a bank? I'd say he hasn't got the foggiest idea...and he is allegedly a trader and investor...would you trust him with your money after reading what he wrote?

As far as I'm concerned, the rest of Atilla's bizarre post has been discredited by this display of absolute IGNORANCE of basic economics! It really is the MOST retarded left wing logic so far.

Replied with simple terms to simple leading post.

The key fundamental point you miss is a more equitable (not equal) distribution of income leads to better functioning and happier society for all to live and breath in.

A more caring one where if you have a heart attack on the street, you will not get pick pocketed but first aid administered.

You also fail to appreciate the dynamics of micro and macro economics coupled with a balanced economy with agriculture, manufacturing and service sectors.


I also don't want or need other people's money thanks have enough of my own.

Prepared to pay my fair taxes too as I am indebted and grateful for Her Majesty's Government and the NHS for where I am today.


Now sod off and do something useful like sticking your head up your ****

 

[hhiusa]

I find it sad that you have previously referenced Plato who was best know for his Republic, and yet you advocate Capitalism. You seem to treat scholars' ideals like a pick and mix counter when it suits you and yet give the appearance of being inflexible on others.

You have obviously read other peoples books, but dont have the wisdom to understand how they fit into the real world. Your immaturity will be you downfall.
Good luck trading Mr Market with your inflexible attitude.

It is not a pick and mix counter. Only the Kumbaya group hug club would fail to see the fallacy of composition that you have committed. Just because some parts of Plato do not argue for capitalism or argue for some socialist principles does not mean that everything he wrote or subscribed to was about socialism. I recognize that Plato had some good ideas. I do not have to throw the baby out with bath water just because some of his ideas have socialist properties. The lot of you are acting more black and white as F would say than I am. You are a creating a false dilemma.

Do you not realize that the anecdote you posted was completely pro capitalism, even if you acted in jest.

 

[new_trader]

Replied with simple terms to simple leading post.

The key fundamental point you miss is a more equitable (not equal) distribution of income leads to better functioning and happier society for all to live and breath in.

A more caring one where if you have a heart attack on the street, you will not get pick pocketed but first aid administered.

You also fail to appreciate the dynamics of micro and macro economics coupled with a balanced economy with agriculture, manufacturing and service sectors.


I also don't want or need other people's money thanks have enough of my own.

Prepared to pay my fair taxes too as I am indebted and grateful for Her Majesty's Government and the NHS for where I am today.


Now sod off and do something useful like sticking your head up your ****

What on earth are you talking about, AGAIN?

"Blah, blah, blah, economics, blah, blah, blah, manufacturing"

Bullshіt baffles brains is your tactic isn't it? Write complete gibberish mixed in with some economic jargon and hope that whoever is reading it knows just 5% less about economics than you, right?

I have an answer for you:

To attain safe and stable flight, the cross sectional area of an aircrafts wing must be 1.75 times the wingspan multiplied by the drag coefficient at cruising speed. This is necessary to overcome the dynamics of the downward force of gravity. But, in order to safely calculate the true carrying capacity, the effect of Bernoulli's principle on the wings aerofoil shape and angle of attack must be properly accounted for. As a consequence, Capitalism is better than Socialism.

 

[hhiusa]

Replied with simple terms to simple leading post.

The key fundamental point you miss is a more equitable (not equal) distribution of income leads to better functioning and happier society for all to live and breath in.

A more caring one where if you have a heart attack on the street, you will not get pick pocketed but first aid administered.

You also fail to appreciate the dynamics of micro and macro economics coupled with a balanced economy with agriculture, manufacturing and service sectors.


I also don't want or need other people's money thanks have enough of my own.

Prepared to pay my fair taxes too as I am indebted and grateful for Her Majesty's Government and the NHS for where I am today.

This is so typical of you. You think you can refute people's assertions with an appeal to emotion. You think @new_trader's ideas are flawed because he is supposedly heartless. He does not have to be kind to understand capitalism. I am sure you are grateful to the NHS and her Majesty's government since they provide you with a free lunch.

Now sod off and do something useful like sticking your head up your ****

You always throw a tantrum and write obscenities when it is clear you have nothing intelligent to say and have lost the argument.

Bernoulli principle and flight

 

[Atilla]

What on earth are you talking about, AGAIN?

"Blah, blah, blah, economics, blah, blah, blah, manufacturing"

Bullshіt baffles brains is your tactic isn't it? Write complete gibberish mixed in with some economic jargon and hope that whoever is reading it knows just 5% less about economics than you, right?

I have an answer for you:

To attain safe and stable flight, the cross sectional area of an aircrafts wing must be 1.75 times the wingspan multiplied by the drag coefficient at cruising speed. This is necessary to overcome the dynamics of the downward force of gravity. But, in order to safely calculate the true carrying capacity, the effect of Bernoulli's principle on the wings aerofoil shape and angle of attack must be properly accounted for. As a consequence, Capitalism is better than Socialism NO IT IS NOT!.

Now you have your head up your ****, tell me what you smell?

Was obviously a mistake trying to explain anything to you.

Mixed economy is the best of both worlds. Now learn to deal with it.

 

[hhiusa]

Now you have your head up your ****, tell me what you smell?

Was obviously a mistake trying to explain anything to you.

Mixed economy is the best of both worlds. Now learn to deal with it.

How pathetic. What are you, 12? Learn to deal with it, is not an argument, it is something a spoiled child would say. It sounds like you need to deal with some issues concerning capitalism and many other things. You seem to blow up a great deal at people in this forum. I think you have some temper issues to work through.

 

[hhiusa]

@new_trader

We should have a conservation where we will not have to deal with Mr. temper and F and P. :clap:

 

[hhiusa]

@new_trader

We should have a conversation where we will not have to deal with Mr. temper and F and P. :clap:

 

[postman]

It is not a pick and mix counter. Only the Kumbaya group hug club would fail to see the fallacy of composition that you have committed. Just because some parts of Plato do not argue for capitalism or argue for some socialist principles does not mean that everything he wrote or subscribed to was about socialism. I recognize that Plato had some good ideas. I do not have to throw the baby out with bath water just because some of his ideas have socialist properties. The lot of you are acting more black and white as F would say than I am. You are a creating a false dilemma.

Do you not realize that the anecdote you posted was completely pro capitalism, even if you acted in jest.

So let me get this straight YOU get to decide which of Platos works were good or bad and just use the ones that agree with your argument. Conceit beyond belief.

 

[hhiusa]

So let me get this straight YOU get to decide which of Platos works were good or bad and just use the ones that agree with your argument. Conceit beyond belief.

What is really pathetic and stupid is that you are showing extreme gullibility and implying that you agree with everything someone says. It is all or nothing with you. That is truly frightening.

 

[Atilla]

So let me get this straight YOU get to decide which of Platos works were good or bad and just use the ones that agree with your argument. Conceit beyond belief.

No change there.

What does one expect from someone who believes Charles Darwin's theory of evolution was about killing off the weak.

 

[Forexmospherian]

@new_trader

We should have a conservation where we will not have to deal with Mr. temper and F and P. :clap:

?

conservation ?

or

conversation ?

 

[hhiusa]

?

conservation ?

or

conversation ?

Go back to post #388. Is that all? Have you run out arguments? Excuse me, I mean smoke and mirrors.

 

[new_trader]

Typical double standard from the left!

Hi n_t

I could write a book about my time with Richard Branson - maybe I will when I fully retire

retire
[ riˈtīr ]
VERB

1.leave one's job and cease to work, typically upon reaching the normal age for leaving employment:

synonyms: give up work · stop working · stop work · pack it in ·

© Oxford University Press

Fully retire?? Wait a minute! Retirement is the point where a person stops working and in order to do that you would need another form of income, like interest from your hoarded wealth. Either that or depend on the Government for your retirement and after seeing what has gone on in Greece would you really want to depend on the Government in your old age?

One of your comrades believes that living off hoarded wealth is the preserve of a dispassionate Capitalist society so you could be viewed as a dissenter which could spark a revolution.

You and your comrades need to have a group hug and decide exactly what kind of society you want to live in. It's either a "compassionate" society where you are expected to keep working and working and working until you die, or, a "dispassionate" society that rewards under consumption, excess productivity, savings and investment.

Remember, you need to agree completely with everything your compatriots say because, to paraphrase another one of your fellow comrades; Deciding which philosophies are good or bad and just using the ones that agree with your argument is conceit beyond belief.

 

[jsc]

I bet Atilla thinks that the money banks loan out comes from a magical printing press so therefore nobody needs to save! Perhaps he actually believes (and it wouldn't surprise me) that the money rich people are 'hoarding' in the bank is actually kept in a shoebox, in a safe, with the rich man's name and a sign on it saying "Don't touch"

After reading Atilla's idiotic post, does anyone here think he understands that savers are CREDITORS to a bank? I'd say he hasn't got the foggiest idea...and he is allegedly a trader and investor...would you trust him with your money after reading what he wrote?

As far as I'm concerned, the rest of Atilla's bizarre post has been discredited by this display of absolute IGNORANCE of basic economics! It really is the MOST retarded left wing logic so far.

Clearly the only trader on here who has never heard of QE.

An idiot.

 

[Atilla]

Fully retire?? Wait a minute! Retirement is the point where a person stops working and in order to do that you would need another form of income, like interest from your hoarded wealth. Either that or depend on the Government for your retirement and after seeing what has gone on in Greece would you really want to depend on the Government in your old age?

One of your comrades believes that living off hoarded wealth is the preserve of a dispassionate Capitalist society so you could be viewed as a dissenter which could spark a revolution.

You and your comrades need to have a group hug and decide exactly what kind of society you want to live in. It's either a "compassionate" society where you are expected to keep working and working and working until you die, or, a "dispassionate" society that rewards under consumption, excess productivity, savings and investment.

Remember, you need to agree completely with everything your compatriots say because, to paraphrase another one of your fellow comrades; Deciding which philosophies are good or bad and just using the ones that agree with your argument is conceit beyond belief.

NT you are not funny!

Your really are blinkered in a narrow area of fiat currencies, gold standard with a theoretical limited interpretation of the numerous capitalistic systems out there.

In general mass accumulation of wealth does not translate into productivity at all!

Purpose and objective of money is to change hands. It's designed for exchange. Greater the frequency of exchange greater the benefit of money to all. This is a simple practical virtue of money. It's not theory so you may well struggle to grasp the significance of it all.


You've probably heard of the Marshall Plan but knowing about it is one thing and appreciating and understanding it's concept is another. Reason for it was because at the end of WWII the US had all the money and industry rest of EU had been bombed and broken with no money. So the Marshall plan was introduced giving aid and money for development to take place.

Yes I appreciate the finer issues of interest, savings and investment and taxation and government spending, imports and exports as injections and leakages etc. Yes one can say the capitalist process of bank loans, savings and interest exists in determining the allocation of savings to those who are able to pay highest interest rates. Blah blah blah. Yes all very good at theoretical level.


Laugh and ridicule the point as much as you want. Always good to see people enjoying them selves. Stupid people also laugh and enjoy simple things in life too.


Here is another example for you to laugh at. The way I think of it, is instead of one child playing with 10 toys it would be better if 10 children played together with one toy? Rather than a miserable stinchy child growing up to be a scratchy little sh1t hogging it all. Contrary to your tight arsed beliefs more fun could be had by all.


Ofcourse I'm talking about the beautiful game of football. A super global game that's a lot of fun, builds on team work and the spirit where the goal is the collective joy of the whole team, tribe, nation even a continent.

Do you see my point?


Not equal but equitable distribution of wealth makes for greater number of happier people and society...

Accumulation of wealth in the hands of the few - don't!

 

[new_trader]

Never argue with idiots!

The fact that you and your left wing comrades actually think that Q.E is a substitute for real savings is enough to make me resign from this thread. It isn’t the insults that bother me, it is the astounding ignorance of economics that does. You have certainly achieved your dream of equality in that area. Goodbye.

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[hhiusa]

Here is another example for you to laugh at. The way I think of it, is instead of one child playing with 10 toys it would be better if 10 children played together with one toy? Rather than a miserable stinchy child growing up to be a scratchy little sh1t hogging it all. Contrary to your tight arsed beliefs more fun could be had by all.

Ofcourse I'm talking about the beautiful game of football. A super global game that's a lot of fun, builds on team work and the spirit where the goal is the collective joy of the whole team, tribe, nation even a continent.

Not equal but [COLOR="Red]equitable[/COLOR] distribution of wealth makes for greater number of happier people and society...

Accumulation of wealth in the hands of the few - don't![/QUOTE]

[USER=63653]@Atilla[/USER] is calling people names again. :-0 No surprise there.

You keep saying not equal but equitable distribution. If it is not equal, then everyone will not get the same amount. You are saying that it is equitable even though it is unequal. If you are using equitable in the sense that it means fair and impartial, how do you plan to achieve this unequal but impartial distribution of wealth.

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It is not better for 10 children to play with one toy than for a single child to play with one toy. That one child is not being [COLOR="Blue"]stingy[/COLOR]. I think we can give you therapy in this thread. It sounds as though you did not get enough toys or attention as a child, leading to your explosive outbursts.

 

[Atilla]

The fact that you and your left wing comrades actually think that Q.E is a substitute for real savings is enough to make me resign from this thread. It isn’t the insults that bother me, it is the astounding ignorance of economics that does. You have certainly achieved your dream of equality in that area. Goodbye.

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Ignorance of economics? REALLY?

More like your lack of comprehension of the written word.

Dream of what equality? Still arguing with voices in your head - you sad nincompoop?

I recommend you learn the the difference between equality and equity.


That's because you guys don't have real fundamental understanding of the subject matter and as soon as you hit a new concept you revert back to type what you are familiar with. Black or white. You are either with us or against us.

You then go around mocking and insulting speaking highly of your understanding of subject matter which is highly objectionable and exists in very narrow theory outside of practice. You have failed to show any evidence of it other than cherry pick to suit your big head.


This is primarily because in practice it's a sh1te approach to capitalism which has been rejected by pretty much all countries and nations. Including those who proclaim to be it's greatest supporters.

I can imagine you having a good old argument with your reflection in the mirror too.


I have also added you to my ignore list as no point in discussing fiat currencies, gold or capitalism with you ever again.

I much prefer to feed chips and watch seagulls fly, squawk and poop all over the place.

 

[jsc]

Always remember...