u need a sample of opinion from ppl who live in Iraq...... i am very happy Saddam was removed and captured but u can't deny the fact that things haven't improved.............very erractic power supply, massive security problems (worse than even when Saddam was in power), high unemployment..........infact the whole place is disorganised but i sincerely hope ur govt would be able to sort things out in d long run but they haven't made a good start...........and d 'Iraqi council' is full of exiles who r not popular with the ordinary Iraqis..........some with very dodgy pasts so d future doesn't look 2 bright.
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grubs, yuo're getting owned hard, y'know?
yuo've pitched me some fast curve balls and i've answered them all, even oil issue blah
now i'm asking yuo to do the same and deal with my curve ball
so for the third time, please, pretty please with sugar on top, can yuo answer the questions below for me?
thanks in advance
- Car Key Boi,
LIVES THE LIFE OF A LIBERAL THEREFORE KNOWS THE QUESTIONS THAT LIBERALS CANNOT ANSWER/ DIGTBK!
"now i've answered all of yuor questions as honestly as i can
now i want yuo to do the same and answer me this. And these questions go out to all the anti-war crowd here
our invasion stopped the slaughter of 100's of 1000' of innocents, maybe millions, THAT IS A FTS. As a LIBERAL, can yuo really justify yuor opposition to that act, that we removed a FASCIST MURDERING DICTATOR? As a LIBERAL, can yuo really justify yuor opposition simply because we were acting partly out of self interest? would yuo really condemn all those people to CERTAIN DEATH because yuo're cynical about our intentions? please, as a LIBERAL, tell me that isn't the state of LIBERAL thought today. If that is the case, wouldn't yuo say that was being "narrow-minded"?
yuo've pitched me some fast curve balls and i've answered them all, even oil issue blah
now i'm asking yuo to do the same and deal with my curve ball
so for the third time, please, pretty please with sugar on top, can yuo answer the questions below for me?
thanks in advance
- Car Key Boi,
LIVES THE LIFE OF A LIBERAL THEREFORE KNOWS THE QUESTIONS THAT LIBERALS CANNOT ANSWER/ DIGTBK!
"now i've answered all of yuor questions as honestly as i can
now i want yuo to do the same and answer me this. And these questions go out to all the anti-war crowd here
our invasion stopped the slaughter of 100's of 1000' of innocents, maybe millions, THAT IS A FTS. As a LIBERAL, can yuo really justify yuor opposition to that act, that we removed a FASCIST MURDERING DICTATOR? As a LIBERAL, can yuo really justify yuor opposition simply because we were acting partly out of self interest? would yuo really condemn all those people to CERTAIN DEATH because yuo're cynical about our intentions? please, as a LIBERAL, tell me that isn't the state of LIBERAL thought today. If that is the case, wouldn't yuo say that was being "narrow-minded"?
u didn't answer my question....u just stuck to ur argument without really justifying it...............obviously lives were probably saved by the invasion but so many innocent lives were (and r still being) lost...and i can justify my positon by the fact that things r not better in Iraq and the world is probably more unsafe as a result of the invasion so i hope that answers ur questions.
Maybe if Bush wanted to sort things out he should have started with the Palestinian issue.......that would have improved the situation in the middle-east thus isolating the islamic fundamentalists who won't really have any justification 4 their actions.........
Maybe if Bush wanted to sort things out he should have started with the Palestinian issue.......that would have improved the situation in the middle-east thus isolating the islamic fundamentalists who won't really have any justification 4 their actions.........
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grubs50 said:
the only question i ignored was that moranic question as to why Bush didn't do a TDCS tour of Baghdad JFK/Dallas style. Apart from that i've answered all of yuor questions
funny, i was thinking the same about yuor opposition to the invasion
not "probably", it's a certainty. 100's of 1000's of those hard cold facts have been discovered in shallow mass graves, with more to follow. Yuo can't even concede this simple point without using the word "probably". Why is that? because it doesn't fit in with yuor anti-invasion views, right?
yup, lives were lost and with more to come, BUT that number amounts to dick in comparison to what it would have been if SH and his sons were allowed to continue their slaughter. Again, that is a simple fact that is universally accepted, except by morans like that George Galloway asswipe
what the hell do yuo expect? the war has only just finished! At this moment in time, iraq is still a shambles, just like Germany after WWII. But it's been only a few months and already we've got health care, electricity production, and a ton of other things back to or exceeding pre-war levels. Those are FACTS. Yuor arguments are BS. It is a FACT that progress in Iraq is happening at a way faster rate than post-war Germany
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0310/30/se.02.html
are yuo telling me that yuo're prepared to condemn those 100's of 1000's to certain death because yuo're cynical or unhappy with the speed of our rebuilding effort?
there's that word "probably" again. Who says the world is "probably" more unsafe as a result. Yuo? the lefty BBC? in any event, that is SPECULATION
are yuo telling me that yuo're prepared to condemn those 100's of 1000's of cold hard facts to certain death because yuo "think" that the world is "probably" more unsafe blah blah blah
nope, yuo dodged them. I'll ask again for the 4th time
maybe, but SH was more pressing coz of the aforementioned oil issue. Besides, i don't think anyone can solve that Palestinian issue. It's destined to end in tears. The Israelis and Palestinians are not capable of living in peace together. Naturally the US will get blamed for whatever happens, but that's another debate for another day
back to the issue of SH and his murderous regime blah
1) As a LIBERAL, can yuo really justify yuor opposition to the fact that we removed a FASCIST MURDERING DICTATOR?
2) As a LIBERAL, can yuo really justify yuor opposition simply because we were acting partly out of self interest?
3) As a LIBERAL, would yuo really condemn all those people to CERTAIN DEATH because yuo're cynical about our intentions?
4) As a LIBERAL, can yuo really justify condemning those 100's of 1000's to certain death because yuo're cynical or unhappy with the speed of our rebuilding effort?
5) as a LIBERAL, can yuo really justify condemning those 100's of 1000's to CERTAIN DEATH on SPECULATION? because yuo "think" that the world is "probably" more unsafe and "maybe" this will happen, and "maybe" that will happen blah blah blah
please, as a LIBERAL, tell me that isn't the state of LIBERAL thought today? If that's the case, wouldn't yuo say that yuo were being being "narrow-minded"?
- Car Key Boi,
100% MEAN/ 100% BOI/ STILL ASKING THE QUESTIONS THAT LIBS CANNOT ANSWER/ OWNAGE LEVEL: 365% and rising/ DIGTBK!
CKB
Will yuo stop beating about the bush (no pun intended) and say what yuo mean
:cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
I have spoken to Mr Hitler, and he has assured me there will be peace in our time
surely we should have learnt from the past that fascist Dictators are like losses, the longer you leave them the bigger they get.
Liberals cost thousands of lives in Iraq by not letting the job be finished right first time.
We left him there and HE killed thousands more Not the USA or GB.
But of course Liberals never have blood on their hands do they?
Will yuo stop beating about the bush (no pun intended) and say what yuo mean
:cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
I have spoken to Mr Hitler, and he has assured me there will be peace in our time
surely we should have learnt from the past that fascist Dictators are like losses, the longer you leave them the bigger they get.
Liberals cost thousands of lives in Iraq by not letting the job be finished right first time.
We left him there and HE killed thousands more Not the USA or GB.
But of course Liberals never have blood on their hands do they?
yeah yeah....u r both right! happy now? who propped up his regime for so long to allow him to commit those atrocities? r u very sure that more Iraqis (than have died since the invasion)would have died if SH was still in power?........I used 'probably' in most of my statements cos it makes sense since i don't have exact figures to back my arguments (and i'm sure u don't 2).
If not having a 'blinkered view' of life means i am liberal so be it.
Go and tell d families of soldiers who died in this needless war that u truly believe their love ones died 4 a just cause and not to satisfy some stupid political egos.........And if u can sincerely compare SH to Hitler then it shows how much of history u understand.
Nobody is denying that he oppressed his ppl but stop bringing that up as the reason 4 d war cos it isn't (it was the excuse!)...........I will make a bold prediction today that there won't be a successful democracy in Iraq cos of the demographics and culture of the country.......
If not having a 'blinkered view' of life means i am liberal so be it.
Go and tell d families of soldiers who died in this needless war that u truly believe their love ones died 4 a just cause and not to satisfy some stupid political egos.........And if u can sincerely compare SH to Hitler then it shows how much of history u understand.
Nobody is denying that he oppressed his ppl but stop bringing that up as the reason 4 d war cos it isn't (it was the excuse!)...........I will make a bold prediction today that there won't be a successful democracy in Iraq cos of the demographics and culture of the country.......
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grubs, now yuo're coming out with a lot of bleeding heart hippie bullsh!t about the "families of soldiers who died blah blah blah"
i've already asked the following question In This Thread, which is:
is it yuor view that not one drop of British/American blood should be spilt to save all the towelheads in Iraq?
grubs, yuo're getting some hard OWNAGE in this thread. And the reason why it's so easy for me to own yuo like this, is because i'm actually a socialist at heart
each time yuo avoid giving a direct answer to those 5 or 6 questions that i listed, yuor level of OWNAGE gets higher and higher
and about that comparison of Hitler/SH, i'm actually in agreement on this, it is a bad comparison
however, i know of a worse one. I'm refering to all those F*CKTARDS who compare Bush to Hitler. Agreed?
- Car Key Boi,
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i've already asked the following question In This Thread, which is:
is it yuor view that not one drop of British/American blood should be spilt to save all the towelheads in Iraq?
grubs, yuo're getting some hard OWNAGE in this thread. And the reason why it's so easy for me to own yuo like this, is because i'm actually a socialist at heart
each time yuo avoid giving a direct answer to those 5 or 6 questions that i listed, yuor level of OWNAGE gets higher and higher
and about that comparison of Hitler/SH, i'm actually in agreement on this, it is a bad comparison
however, i know of a worse one. I'm refering to all those F*CKTARDS who compare Bush to Hitler. Agreed?
- Car Key Boi,
HIPPIE HEART / CONSERVATIVE HEAD / KNOWS HOW TO DEAL WITH EMOTIONAL FOOLZ! / SMOKIN'
yes,......... no British or US (or indeed any other country) blood should be spilt unneccesarily if there is no direct threat to d security of those countries........Soldiers sign up to defend their country not to die for some unjust or selfish cause.........Even Bushie boy dodged the draft cos he didn't wanna die!.........lol............i hope that answer ur question directly enough?
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grubs50 said:
great, yuo gave a direct answer to ONE of my questions.
what about the other questions listed below? until yuo answer those YUO=STILL OWNZED BY THE CKB x 200%
call yuorself a 'Liberal'? i'm more liberal than yuo. Yuo can't even justify yuor own label
- Car Key Boi,
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1) As a LIBERAL, can yuo really justify yuor opposition to the fact that we removed a FASCIST MURDERING DICTATOR?
2) As a LIBERAL, can yuo really justify yuor opposition simply because we were acting partly out of self interest?
3) As a LIBERAL, would yuo really condemn all those people to CERTAIN DEATH because yuo're cynical about our intentions?
4) As a LIBERAL, can yuo really justify condemning those 100's of 1000's to certain death because yuo're cynical or unhappy with the speed of our rebuilding effort?
5) as a LIBERAL, can yuo really justify condemning those 100's of 1000's to CERTAIN DEATH on SPECULATION? because yuo "think" that the world is "probably" more unsafe and "maybe" this will happen, and "maybe" that will happen blah blah blah
please, as a LIBERAL, tell me that isn't the state of LIBERAL thought today? If that's the case, wouldn't yuo say that yuo were being being "narrow-minded"?
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Mayfly said:
DO YUOR GRUBS COME OUT LIKE A GLUTENY SPIDER WEB, SPLAYED WITH PIN POINT ACCURACY?
IF NOT, YUO NEED 169% MORE FISH OIL
O W N E D!
- Car Key Boi,
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"Berkeley Student's On-the-Spot Observation of the London Anti-Bush Protests"
http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=5237
I've taken this year to study abroad, to see the world, and experiences new things. But as I found out during the state visit of George W. Bush to the United Kingdom, I didn't go far enough away: A little bit of Berkeley managed to follow me all the way over to my year abroad in London.
As the George W. Bush's visit approached, my ''campus away from home,'' the London School of Economics, suddenly blossomed with ''STOP BUSH'' posters and fliers like the Royal Garden in spring. Next came the posters targeting Donald Rumsfeld, and finally Colin Powell. You could hear the low murmur of ''Bush'' in everyone's passing conversations, and the LSE student government started madly pontificating about American foreign policy – apparently the ASUC has some competition for the ear of our nation's leaders. But when stinky forty-year-old professional protesters were imported onto campus, it was sufficiently clear that mass demonstration was looming. After all, if I got anything out of my two years at Berkeley, it's the keen ability to sense a protest on the horizon.
While Bush was in London, everyone was conscious of it. The signs with the President's photo saying ''A Killer Is Coming to Town'' had been posted since I first stepped foot in the city, and gave everyone ample warning. As the fateful day of Bush's arrival approached, American and British flags were draped on every light post – making it evident to even the thickest Brits that something was going on. But I didn't realize the massive protests that would ensue until my usual morning route to the LSE was punctuated by police with riot shields and florescent yellow jackets every twenty-five feet or so. Near the London Underground stations, police units loitered in full chemical suits, preparing for a terrorist attack.
Meanwhile, the 62 percent of Britons who recently polled that George W. Bush is a force for good in the world, and the 43 percent that supported his visit to the U.K. were nowhere to be found. ''If you're in trouble, just tell them you're Canadian,'' a nervous American warned me.
My fellow American Jennie and I strolled up the LSE campus to find that its narrow cobblestone streets were teeming with dirty protest-eager Londoners. They hadn't even had two showers between them, as our astute friend Woody pointed out, and they displaced the preppy LSE private-school types in the bars and cafes on the street. I tried to push through the crowd to make it to lecture, only to be scolded by a 40-year-old Pakistani that it was inconsiderate for me to wear a backpack, lest it brush against the irate loiterers who were infiltrating my campus.
''I'm sorry, but I'm a student here, and I need to get an education.'' I informed him as I pushed past.
''There you go with your bourgeoisie self-righteousness,'' he returned, shaking his head. This wasn't just about warfare, it was about class warfare.
My friends and I pushed through the crowd only to decide that if London was going to sustain a massive terrorist attack or burn in citywide riots, we'd rather not meet our end in a god-awful international economics lecture. Many an LSE student comforts himself in the fact that our campus is the least-likely terrorist target in London. After all, at least three Al-Qaeda terrorists have attended LSE, along with the suspected kidnapper of Wall Street Journal reporter, Daniel Pearl. My current campus colleagues include sons of Middle Eastern Princes and Saudi Oil Execs. ''They can't bomb LSE unless they want to bomb their own,'' my British friends reassured me many a time. Nevertheless, we vacated the safety of campus and sped for Trafalgar Square, our legs working faster than Prince Charles' press office.
The square was bustling with protest regulars. Palestinian flags, peace signs, gay rainbows, socialist workers, rubber George Bush masks, and anti-globalisation signs were all well represented, as custom dictates. Everyone, of course, was convinced that if they shouted loud enough, by god, George W. Bush would hear them on the other side of the city and think long and hard about his foreign policy decisions.
Unfortunately, the protest proved to be rather ordinary. May Saddam correct me if I'm wrong, but there's not much difference between a stop-the-war rally in America and a stop-the-war rally in the heart of London: just add a cockney accent and bad teeth.
To be honest, the venue itself was an impressive feat, proving our own Bay Area protesters have a thing or two to learn. Huge banners were draped across the statues and railings along the square; a massive audio-visual system was set up, including a Jumbo-tron that would make the Arco Arena screens look diminutive. The screen flashed all kinds of fantastic images, including Bush/devil caricatures, Palestinian women throwing rocks over the security fence, and a computerized reenactment of a plane hitting the twin towers – over and over again. I was particularly enchanted by the oh-so-clever backdrop to the stage, reading: Nuke is Puke. Surely this poetic feat would make Wordsworth, Auden, and Shakespeare proud.
A 25 foot statue of George W. Bush cradling a nuclear missile was erected in Trafalgar Square. The crowd chatted about the overwhelming, mind-blowing significance of pulling the huge paper-mache dummy to the ground. They really found it quite clever: ''Oh, I get it! The American soldiers toppled Saddam's statue, marking an end to decades of tyrannical, oppressive rule, and now these chronically dazed protesters are going to topple this figure of chicken wire and paper mache! Dude! How brilliant! What symbolism! What a striking, earth-shaking parallel! Surely this will make the history books.''
Quite unfortunately, I didn't get to see the grand finale.
Some aspiring stop-the-war rappers, intent to make it big as the next politically-conscious Eminems, destroyed several hip hop tunes from Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg. They inserted what they termed ''deep lyrics'' like ''Bush tears down Saddam's statue/ puts up his instead./ America attacked/what do you expect?'' There was also a little ditty about a 10-year-old Palestinian boy who wants to grow up to be a suicide bomber. I would have jotted down more of the lyrics, but whenever I pulled out my Palm Pilot to take a note, the clean-cut girl with a red coat, an American flag pin, and a Palm Pilot made the Republican image all too apparent, and photographers for random 5th rate websites started snapping pictures of me with anti-Bush rabble all around.
When the stop-the-war homeboys began butchering J.Lo's ''Jenny from the Block,'' I had enough of this assault on intellectual copyrights. Besides, my slingbacks were starting to hurt.
''Fancy a bottle of vino?'' suggested Woody.
''Brilliant idea,'' I replied.
Jennie, Woody, and I spent the next eight hours in a 16th century wine cellar downing six bottles of French chardonnay and talking about cricket, fox hunting, and the importance of carrying a handkerchief at all times, as the protests rumbled on. I understand much incessant chanting and American flag burning ensued on Trafalgar Square .
We only emerged to indulge in the pleasures of corporate America at a nearby McDonald's before stumbling home.
Ahh, the joys of mass protests. I love being on the winning side
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- Car Key Boi
http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=5237
I've taken this year to study abroad, to see the world, and experiences new things. But as I found out during the state visit of George W. Bush to the United Kingdom, I didn't go far enough away: A little bit of Berkeley managed to follow me all the way over to my year abroad in London.
As the George W. Bush's visit approached, my ''campus away from home,'' the London School of Economics, suddenly blossomed with ''STOP BUSH'' posters and fliers like the Royal Garden in spring. Next came the posters targeting Donald Rumsfeld, and finally Colin Powell. You could hear the low murmur of ''Bush'' in everyone's passing conversations, and the LSE student government started madly pontificating about American foreign policy – apparently the ASUC has some competition for the ear of our nation's leaders. But when stinky forty-year-old professional protesters were imported onto campus, it was sufficiently clear that mass demonstration was looming. After all, if I got anything out of my two years at Berkeley, it's the keen ability to sense a protest on the horizon.
While Bush was in London, everyone was conscious of it. The signs with the President's photo saying ''A Killer Is Coming to Town'' had been posted since I first stepped foot in the city, and gave everyone ample warning. As the fateful day of Bush's arrival approached, American and British flags were draped on every light post – making it evident to even the thickest Brits that something was going on. But I didn't realize the massive protests that would ensue until my usual morning route to the LSE was punctuated by police with riot shields and florescent yellow jackets every twenty-five feet or so. Near the London Underground stations, police units loitered in full chemical suits, preparing for a terrorist attack.
Meanwhile, the 62 percent of Britons who recently polled that George W. Bush is a force for good in the world, and the 43 percent that supported his visit to the U.K. were nowhere to be found. ''If you're in trouble, just tell them you're Canadian,'' a nervous American warned me.
My fellow American Jennie and I strolled up the LSE campus to find that its narrow cobblestone streets were teeming with dirty protest-eager Londoners. They hadn't even had two showers between them, as our astute friend Woody pointed out, and they displaced the preppy LSE private-school types in the bars and cafes on the street. I tried to push through the crowd to make it to lecture, only to be scolded by a 40-year-old Pakistani that it was inconsiderate for me to wear a backpack, lest it brush against the irate loiterers who were infiltrating my campus.
''I'm sorry, but I'm a student here, and I need to get an education.'' I informed him as I pushed past.
''There you go with your bourgeoisie self-righteousness,'' he returned, shaking his head. This wasn't just about warfare, it was about class warfare.
My friends and I pushed through the crowd only to decide that if London was going to sustain a massive terrorist attack or burn in citywide riots, we'd rather not meet our end in a god-awful international economics lecture. Many an LSE student comforts himself in the fact that our campus is the least-likely terrorist target in London. After all, at least three Al-Qaeda terrorists have attended LSE, along with the suspected kidnapper of Wall Street Journal reporter, Daniel Pearl. My current campus colleagues include sons of Middle Eastern Princes and Saudi Oil Execs. ''They can't bomb LSE unless they want to bomb their own,'' my British friends reassured me many a time. Nevertheless, we vacated the safety of campus and sped for Trafalgar Square, our legs working faster than Prince Charles' press office.
The square was bustling with protest regulars. Palestinian flags, peace signs, gay rainbows, socialist workers, rubber George Bush masks, and anti-globalisation signs were all well represented, as custom dictates. Everyone, of course, was convinced that if they shouted loud enough, by god, George W. Bush would hear them on the other side of the city and think long and hard about his foreign policy decisions.
Unfortunately, the protest proved to be rather ordinary. May Saddam correct me if I'm wrong, but there's not much difference between a stop-the-war rally in America and a stop-the-war rally in the heart of London: just add a cockney accent and bad teeth.
To be honest, the venue itself was an impressive feat, proving our own Bay Area protesters have a thing or two to learn. Huge banners were draped across the statues and railings along the square; a massive audio-visual system was set up, including a Jumbo-tron that would make the Arco Arena screens look diminutive. The screen flashed all kinds of fantastic images, including Bush/devil caricatures, Palestinian women throwing rocks over the security fence, and a computerized reenactment of a plane hitting the twin towers – over and over again. I was particularly enchanted by the oh-so-clever backdrop to the stage, reading: Nuke is Puke. Surely this poetic feat would make Wordsworth, Auden, and Shakespeare proud.
A 25 foot statue of George W. Bush cradling a nuclear missile was erected in Trafalgar Square. The crowd chatted about the overwhelming, mind-blowing significance of pulling the huge paper-mache dummy to the ground. They really found it quite clever: ''Oh, I get it! The American soldiers toppled Saddam's statue, marking an end to decades of tyrannical, oppressive rule, and now these chronically dazed protesters are going to topple this figure of chicken wire and paper mache! Dude! How brilliant! What symbolism! What a striking, earth-shaking parallel! Surely this will make the history books.''
Quite unfortunately, I didn't get to see the grand finale.
Some aspiring stop-the-war rappers, intent to make it big as the next politically-conscious Eminems, destroyed several hip hop tunes from Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg. They inserted what they termed ''deep lyrics'' like ''Bush tears down Saddam's statue/ puts up his instead./ America attacked/what do you expect?'' There was also a little ditty about a 10-year-old Palestinian boy who wants to grow up to be a suicide bomber. I would have jotted down more of the lyrics, but whenever I pulled out my Palm Pilot to take a note, the clean-cut girl with a red coat, an American flag pin, and a Palm Pilot made the Republican image all too apparent, and photographers for random 5th rate websites started snapping pictures of me with anti-Bush rabble all around.
When the stop-the-war homeboys began butchering J.Lo's ''Jenny from the Block,'' I had enough of this assault on intellectual copyrights. Besides, my slingbacks were starting to hurt.
''Fancy a bottle of vino?'' suggested Woody.
''Brilliant idea,'' I replied.
Jennie, Woody, and I spent the next eight hours in a 16th century wine cellar downing six bottles of French chardonnay and talking about cricket, fox hunting, and the importance of carrying a handkerchief at all times, as the protests rumbled on. I understand much incessant chanting and American flag burning ensued on Trafalgar Square .
We only emerged to indulge in the pleasures of corporate America at a nearby McDonald's before stumbling home.
Ahh, the joys of mass protests. I love being on the winning side
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- Car Key Boi
