Bush or Kerry?

Who would you vote for on November 2?

  • Bush

    Votes: 48 27.9%
  • Kerry

    Votes: 94 54.7%
  • Nader

    Votes: 8 4.7%
  • None of the above!

    Votes: 22 12.8%

  • Total voters
    172
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Rise of the Third Reich and Neo Nazism movement? My kind… oh, dear!??? We really have got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning, haven’t we Zambuck. :eek:

On the contrary, it was US and its Allies that liberated the Concentration camps and opened the doors of the Gulags.

FACT.
 
.....no got out right side I can assure you as I am on holiday....

....the nationalist movement that put the people in gulag is on rise....

......but then best thing we have learned from history is that we have learned nothing from it....

....anyway we are away now for a week.....
 
Well quite a lot happened overnight I see.
Ivorm realised he was wrong so invented an Iraqi mate before running away, tail between legs and Noahwhatevertf posts an article written by two of the biggest neocon zombies Kagan and Kristol, what a load of toss, don't you know anything about Straussian doctrines, they allow you to lie to people with a clear conscience. That is at the heart of the neocon agenda, they believe it will be better to create fantasies as this will lead to some sort of happier society with stron morale values. How can that be when it will be based on seeds of deceit? or is it OK if everybody is lying to each other?

I will not disagree that the US was very helpful and did a hell of a lot in WWII we should all be grateful for that but today we have a very different set of men in power, people who if it wasn't for the way they have manipulated their way into office would and should be behind bars.
 
OOps sorry :)

I'm neither for Kerry nor for Bush : I am for none. I wouldn't vote if I was american.

OK this one is focused on the subject:
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/news/newsw...8/odd/royalgenesmaywinkerrythewhitehouse.html

Royal genes may win Kerry the White House
LONDON (Reuters) - If royal genes have any influence, John Kerry looks destined to dethrone George W. Bush in November’s U.S. presidential election.

According to a theory its British proponents say has proved surprisingly accurate over the past century, the candidate with the bluest blood in his veins will win the White House. In 2000 it was Bush. This time, it’s Kerry.

"Our research is not yet complete but my bet is that Kerry has more royal connections and that he is more noble than President Bush," said Harold Brooks-Baker, publishing director of Burke’s Peerage, a guide to the British aristocracy.

"But both candidates have a remarkable number of royal connections and both are related to Queen Elizabeth."

Kerry, a Yale-educated war veteran, is preparing to take on Republican Bush in what many believe may be one of the most bitterly fought presidential campaign in history.

LION63 said:
Tradingknowledge,

The thread is about Messers Bush and Kerry, who should be the next president of America. This is not about imperialism or America spreading its tentacles across the globe. Neither is it about right wingers and or the CIA and their sinister objectives.

There are so many posts on this thread that have departed from the original theme that it is unbelievable, if there is a wish to discuss America, imperialism or Zionism; would it not be better and fairer to others if a new thread were started?
 
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Re: above quoted Lion63 post. Do you not see that this is all part of the same thing? or didn't you make that connection yet?
 
I have been having a look at my posts on this thread yesterday.

I would like to apologise to the members of this thread for my pointless posts, which were essentially american-baiting.

However, it did show up Noahs simplistic understanding of world history, and offered him the opportunity to excel himself in his black-and-white, us-and-them mentatlity with his "you liberals" "if it werent for us you'd all be speaking german" remarks.

I foolishly lowered myself to his level, with rhetorical and close-ended remarks.

It was fun at the time, but all the same pointless.

In all the posts, I do not believe I engaged in any personal name-calling, and believe I should have stayed on the subject matter of "Bush or Kerry", rather than allowing myself to be side-tracked into other issues, which have no bearing on the main thread.

Bush or Kerry: Kerry.
 
tradingknowledge said:
Can you access Bush site from Great Britain because it is not accessible from France?

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,11211441%5E401,00.html
News from Australia
Dubya takes Australia offline
By staff writers and wires
October 28, 2004

GEORGE W. Bush doesn't trust the outside world to view his US election campaign website, and that includes close ally Australia.

George W. Bush
Can't be trusted ... Mr Bush has blocked his website from Australian viewers / AFP
The US President's re-election aides said today it had cut off access to its website from certain foreign countries "for security reasons", but declined to elaborate.

"The measure was taken for security reasons," campaign spokesman Scott Stanzel said.

The President's campaign office said earlier it had received telephone calls about access failures.

Mr Bush's campaign aides would not offer any more details, but last week the site went down for about five hours after a "denial of service" attack.

When the web address "www.georgewbush.com" was typed from NEWS.com.au's office, the following message appeared:

"You are not authorized to view this page. You might not have permission to view this directory or page using the credentials you supplied.

"If you believe you should be able to view this directory or page, please try to contact the website by using any e-mail address or phone number that may be listed on the www.georgebush.com home page."

Obviously, without access to the homepage, finding e-mail addresses or phone numbers is impossible, leaving millions of interested users around the world without access.

British website "www.netcraft.com", which analyses Internet traffic to detect fraud and count the most visited sites, said the Bush campaign website had been inaccessible from London, Sydney and Amsterdam since Monday, although Canada was apparently not affected.

The website was down and inaccessible for several hours on Tuesday in what campaign officials said could be the work of hackers.
 
Reading this thread, it struck me that if a lot of us are being labelled liberals or lefties, George Bush Snr. must have also been a liberal or leftie. He didn't go after Saddam during the first gulf war, he didn't have the same Christian fundamentalist policies we are hearing about now and he was good at changing his mind. I remember 'Read my lips, no more taxes' was one of his election slogans. Then taxes went up. Not exactly sticking to the agenda.

Then with his son, we get a constant mantra of 'Weapons of mass destruction', then we get no weapons of mass destruction. And they are trying to say Kerry flip-flops
 
You can read his website if you access it via anoymous proxies based in the USA e.g. www.megaproxy.com, http://www.the-cloak.com/login.html etc

tradingknowledge said:
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,11211441%5E401,00.html
News from Australia
Dubya takes Australia offline
By staff writers and wires
October 28, 2004

GEORGE W. Bush doesn't trust the outside world to view his US election campaign website, and that includes close ally Australia.

George W. Bush
Can't be trusted ... Mr Bush has blocked his website from Australian viewers / AFP
The US President's re-election aides said today it had cut off access to its website from certain foreign countries "for security reasons", but declined to elaborate.

"The measure was taken for security reasons," campaign spokesman Scott Stanzel said.

The President's campaign office said earlier it had received telephone calls about access failures.

Mr Bush's campaign aides would not offer any more details, but last week the site went down for about five hours after a "denial of service" attack.

When the web address "www.georgewbush.com" was typed from NEWS.com.au's office, the following message appeared:

"You are not authorized to view this page. You might not have permission to view this directory or page using the credentials you supplied.

"If you believe you should be able to view this directory or page, please try to contact the website by using any e-mail address or phone number that may be listed on the www.georgebush.com home page."

Obviously, without access to the homepage, finding e-mail addresses or phone numbers is impossible, leaving millions of interested users around the world without access.

British website "www.netcraft.com", which analyses Internet traffic to detect fraud and count the most visited sites, said the Bush campaign website had been inaccessible from London, Sydney and Amsterdam since Monday, although Canada was apparently not affected.

The website was down and inaccessible for several hours on Tuesday in what campaign officials said could be the work of hackers.
 
I originate from a part of Asia where my own family are engaged in a battle against fundamentalist religious terrorism. One of my family was killed in action, while fighting Islamic terrorists with connections to Osama bin Laden. These fanatical nutters do not hesitate to strap a bomb to themselves and blow up women and children who are minding their own business on a bus.

I agree with most on this board that Bush is a total piece of sh*t on almost everything, but at least he is prepared to rid the world of Islamic terrorism.

I don't like Bush and I think he is a dangerous fascist, but he has got the bigger problem of the Islamic nutcases running scared. So, if I was a Yank, Bush would get my vote (reluctantly).
 
I would like to apologise to the members of this thread for my pointless posts, which were essentially american-baiting.

trendie, don't stop, this thread has been a source of amusement and only goes to confirm all my suspicions.

I agree with most on this board that Bush is a total piece of sh*t on almost everything, but at least he is prepared to rid the world of Islamic terrorism.

It is an unfortunate fact that Bush is actually promoting a whole new generation of Islamic fundamental terrorism with his cac handed foreign policy. Don't get me wrong, these guys are proper nutters, worse than the neocons by a long long way but unfortunately if the main aim was to eradicate Islamic fundamentalism then there would have been no invasion of Iraq. They are just used as a tool by the neocons to justify their greater aims, the violent horror that the fundamentalists create is actually of benefit to the neocons as it strengthens their position of power, so do not expect it to stop anytime soon. If you take a look at Algerian history you will see how effective this strategy can be.
In addition, do you really think much will change on that front whoever is in the White House for the next 4 years?
 
TraderPattern said:
I originate from a part of Asia where my own family are engaged in a battle against fundamentalist religious terrorism. One of my family was killed in action, while fighting Islamic terrorists with connections to Osama bin Laden. These fanatical nutters do not hesitate to strap a bomb to themselves and blow up women and children who are minding their own business on a bus.

I agree with most on this board that Bush is a total piece of sh*t on almost everything, but at least he is prepared to rid the world of Islamic terrorism.

I don't like Bush and I think he is a dangerous fascist, but he has got the bigger problem of the Islamic nutcases running scared. So, if I was a Yank, Bush would get my vote (reluctantly).
Growing religious fundamentalism and religious terrorism is a growing menace and that is not disagreed....

In Kashmir the extremist groups have operated freely killing women, child and old people of hindu origins because they want to make that a muslim state...
Thousands of hundus have left kashmir because they are - hindus who are picked by these groups.

The groups who operate in there get backing, support and training grounds in Pakistan. These people slip in in the cover of night and continue their act. All the leaders of this group live freely in Pakistan and are considered as freedom fighetrs.

What has Bush done about this??...He keeps praising Pakistans leaders for their 'fight against terrorism'...!!!

Sounds like a story of cat that has decided to go on pilgrimage after killing 99 mice...!!
 
TraderPattern said:
I originate from a part of Asia where my own family are engaged in a battle against fundamentalist religious terrorism. One of my family was killed in action, while fighting Islamic terrorists with connections to Osama bin Laden. These fanatical nutters do not hesitate to strap a bomb to themselves and blow up women and children who are minding their own business on a bus.

I agree with most on this board that Bush is a total piece of sh*t on almost everything, but at least he is prepared to rid the world of Islamic terrorism.

I don't like Bush and I think he is a dangerous fascist, but he has got the bigger problem of the Islamic nutcases running scared. So, if I was a Yank, Bush would get my vote (reluctantly).

If Fascism and Terrorism weren't, let's say as an euphemism, "tolerated" (choose the qualifier you want) ...

[The guardian] "Neo-Nazi leader 'was MI6 agent' "
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,773568,00.html

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and this month
[SydNey Morning Herald]
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/18/1090089038600.html?oneclick=true
"Mossad agent linked to Asia scam"

http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2004/07/74269.php
"mossad agents Killing Oz Tourists to Steal their Identity used in terror opps
by Bev Taylor Monday July 19, 2004 at 02:19 PM

mossad agents Killing Oz Tourists to Steal their Identity to use in fake al-Qaeda operations"

Interesting direct testimony

http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Temp/Temp-BizarreTwistInTheNZMossadAgentsStory-Fredrick.htm
with knowledge of High Ranks Australian Gov

"I am an Australian that worked for a major NGO in Cambodia my exposure to the mossad murder squads operating in the S.E. Asia came about thru the acquaintance of a fellow Australian.

I met Brian at the boarder town of KIoh Kong. Brian was young man from Sydney that had just finished school with an English Major and had come to Australia to teach English for a year we talked in length about how he had lost his entire family in an accident his desire to help the impoverished Cambodian people.

Brian was leaving for Srey Ambel the next day on a small boat to teach at a small local school that he had arranged thru a Cambodian friend he had been corresponding with for a few years.

BRIAN NEVER ARRIVED
A few weeks latter I was in the Srey Ambel area and went by to visit Brian. He had never arrived, and was not replying to e-mail from me or his friend at the school he was to teach at, his friend at the school said maybe he had decided to travel around for a few weeks, but no one knew.

I MET THE MOSSAD AGENT ZEV BARKAN
Two weeks later while I was in Phnom Penh, I was at a restaurant on the riverfront, I met a man there that introduced himself as Brian, using Brian’s name and background story but it was a deferent man. I tried to get as much information out of him without letting him know I had known the real Brian after our conversation I went strait to the Australian consulate they told me they would look into the report.

THE NEW ZEALAND SECURITY AGENT
The next day I was talking to a Diane, NZ women that I had known for some time that worked for a different NGO. Diane was very alarmed when I told her of what had happened and said I was in great danger and told me to meet her later that day in the Toul Tom Pong Market.
There I was met by Diane and a man I will refer to as Tom that Identified himself as a NZ security Official.

“These mossad run gangs like to throw there victims off of tour boats they do a lot of operations off the southern coast of Thailand and Cambodia” Tom said, as he showed me documentation of 8 people whose bodies where found that ‘disappeared’ like Brian, 5 where Australian.

Tom also showed me some photos of 5 more mossad agents suspected of involvement in the disappearances.

One I identified as the man I met that was using Brian’s Identity, it was a photo of Zev Barkan.

“This is a real bad guy, vicious. He’s killed a few of the victims himself witnesses have said he likes to personally throw them over board while the boats are moving and then turns around and run the victim over, chopping the victim up with the prop” Tom said
As he showed me photos and documents that connected Barkan and 4 other mossad agents to terrorist training camps in southern Thailand
And documents linking them to armed terrorist actions in southern Thailand along with documents that linked telecommunications and money wire transfers originating in Israel.

Tom informed me that NZ security Operations have evidence that some Australian Officials are involved in a cover-up of these mossad operations for political reasons that reach up to the highest levels of the Australian Government.

“This guy is an Australian official we linked to Barkan, we have evidence he was involved in the terrorist training camps but not the murders Barkan is in hot water with him because of the murders but he is involved in the cover up of the murders and that why you are in so much danger, now they are committed into covering the murders up” Tom said, as he showed me pictures of Barkan meeting the man at the Australian consulate I had made the missing person report to.

Tom informed me I was in grave danger because of my visit to the Australian consulate, and if I did not Leave Cambodia immediately I would be dead before the end of the week.
Tom arranged for me to fly out of Cambodia to NZ on a small NZ government plane that night.

And now I find myself in NZ living in a safe house not knowing when it will be ok to return to my life. I am writing this in a hope it might save someone from the fate that Brian suffered."
 
zambuck said:
Growing religious fundamentalism and religious terrorism is a growing menace and that is not disagreed....

In Kashmir the extremist groups have operated freely killing women, child and old people of hindu origins because they want to make that a muslim state...
Thousands of hundus have left kashmir because they are - hindus who are picked by these groups.

The groups who operate in there get backing, support and training grounds in Pakistan. These people slip in in the cover of night and continue their act. All the leaders of this group live freely in Pakistan and are considered as freedom fighetrs.

What has Bush done about this??...He keeps praising Pakistans leaders for their 'fight against terrorism'...!!!

Sounds like a story of cat that has decided to go on pilgrimage after killing 99 mice...!!

Does seem strange. Pakistan has nuclear weapons and seems to be the new home of Osama bin Laden, many other al Qaeda and Taliban members. The Pakistani President, General Pervez Musharraf, keeps on putting off elections after the government was removed by him back in 1999. We don't seem to have stories of the threat of Muslim extremists capturing Pakistan. I wonder how far their nuclear weapons can travel? Certainly a longer distance than Saddam's WMD's.
 
Not only how far their missiles can travel...it is how FAST they will reach india, who also hold nuclear arsenal....matter of single digit minutes...

there is no 'hotline' arrangement between the two, so in case of a mistake....or even more dangerous, if the guy in control of a pakistani missile is osama supporter, and he releases the missile, indians will fire nuclear missile first, and think later....

here is an doomsday scenario....and what bush and US doing???...agreeing to the pardon of pakistani nuclear scientist who openly passed the information to korea and iran...???...

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/02/05/pakistan.nuclear/

should one vote for this guy..???

I think not...!!!
 
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I think i have come to the end of this thread....

there is nothing I can add more now...

I will vote for kerry and not for bush if i was american...

am off on hols now......
 
I think we have managed to establish that there is less a Kerry/Bush split here than those who believe in their gullible ignorance that this is a war on terror and an attempt to bring democracy to the poor unfortunates of the World and those who ask some questions, do not believe all that Fox News or a lunatic preacher tells them and realise that the real story is very different.
 
Modern day democracy is all about giving people a little freedom, whilst maintaining stealth agenda's behind the scenes. Anybody who believes anything that any politition utters from their sordid mouths these days, is truely out of touch with reality. Your either a lier or your not, simple as that.

In the US, the poor citizens have a choice of Bush or Kerry, and they seem to think election time is great ?? Iam sorry, but I dont have the slightest idea why... Talk about under the thumb. The powers that be, must really be congratulated in a sick sort of a way for the job they do in maintaining patriotism.
 
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