Brexit and the Consequences

[Pat494]

I have the title of a new song
Don't cry for me Brusselsmania.
lol

 

[Pat494]

More seriously though the going is is likely to be tough.
The UK can't just go back to the awful situations of the 1960s.
Much more of a team effort is needed.

 

[cantagril]

More seriously though the going is is likely to be tough.
The UK can't just go back to the awful situations of the 1960s.
Much more of a team effort is needed.

If not, why not?

Is there truly something in the present political situation that is actually going to improve anyone's lot? Team effort!! Hah! That's a good one - I knew you had a biting sense of humour Pat

 

[counter_violent]

So, what I want to know is..............are remoaners now going to wind their necks in and get with the program, after all, they have no effective representation now in parliament. All the spoilers and blockers are toast!

The evidence suggests that there will be pent up investment demand for the UK.

If the Govt is sensible, they will ensure that the North and Midlands receive greater than average investment, which should ensure that the lent votes turn into solid votes at the next election.

 

[barjon]

So, what I want to know is..............are remoaners now going to wind their necks in and get with the program, after all, they have no effective representation now in parliament. All the spoilers and blockers are toast!

The evidence suggests that there will be pent up investment demand for the UK.

If the Govt is sensible, they will ensure that the North and Midlands receive greater than average investment, which should ensure that the lent votes turn into solid votes at the next election.

I suppose remainers will have to be content to sob quietly in their beer. Interestingly, Boris has now got such a huge majority that he can‘t be held to ransom by the hard line ERG so that’s a plus.

 

[Atilla]

C'mon At', do pay attention: it's BoJo not MoJo. He's called Boris Johnson not Morris Johnson!!!

I wonder what he'll be called by the time his finished with his presidency.

So, what I want to know is..............are remoaners now going to wind their necks in and get with the program, after all, they have no effective representation now in parliament. All the spoilers and blockers are toast!

The evidence suggests that there will be pent up investment demand for the UK.

If the Govt is sensible, they will ensure that the North and Midlands receive greater than average investment, which should ensure that the lent votes turn into solid votes at the next election.

Wot? U mean like the Eurosceptics for the last 50 years who really put their back into making EU vision work for the UK?

 

[Signalcalc]

I suppose remainers will have to be content to sob quietly in their beer.

There's still an angry crowd out there, still calling anyone that disagrees with them racist and thick, still sore losers, still capable of attempting disruption, as for how much we see of them, well that will be down to MSM. Although they will be hard to ignore as they begin the process of electing their next new leader.

 

[tomorton]

There's still an angry crowd out there, still calling anyone that disagrees with them racist and thick, still sore losers, still capable of attempting disruption, as for how much we see of them, well that will be down to MSM. Although they will be hard to ignore as they begin the process of electing their next new leader.

They're still sore I am sure, but the only way they will rally together into a credible political force now would be through inept Conservative footwork. This can never be ruled out - remember the Poll Tax?

I expect Johnson to conclude what Farage and the ERG will call Brexit in name only - it will be Brexit but with enough accommodation for EU preferences as to deflate and dilute the Remain argument. With so many new MP's who owe their jobs to Johnson, he need take little account of the ERG. Meanwhile Farage has no MP's, the LibDems have yet again stepped in their own chips.

How could the Remainers rally? Hard to see it happening now but maybe -

1. Pre-Brexit, Labour quickly appoint a centrist female leader and declare a 100% Remain policy, maybe they even absorb the LibDem party: oppositions in Italy, the US and Ukraine have done well by seeking charismatic new leaders with high profiles in entertainment and media, and it can't be ruled out here.

2. Trade talks break down and Johnson takes the No-deal route: unlikely he (and the EU) would be so clumsy.

3. Post-Brexit, the UK adopts a strongly climate change-sceptical standpoint, while the EU dramatically accelerates its green objectives: this would unite two different popular movements: a catalyst event might motivate this and even sweep up more, such as e.g. another US-dominated oil-centric military initiative.

 

[cantagril]

They're still sore I am sure, but the only way they will rally together into a credible political force now would be through inept Conservative footwork. This can never be ruled out - remember the Poll Tax?

I expect Johnson to conclude what Farage and the ERG will call Brexit in name only - it will be Brexit but with enough accommodation for EU preferences as to deflate and dilute the Remain argument. With so many new MP's who owe their jobs to Johnson, he need take little account of the ERG. Meanwhile Farage has no MP's, the LibDems have yet again stepped in their own chips.

How could the Remainers rally? Hard to see it happening now but maybe -

1. Pre-Brexit, Labour quickly appoint a centrist female leader and declare a 100% Remain policy, maybe they even absorb the LibDem party: oppositions in Italy, the US and Ukraine have done well by seeking charismatic new leaders with high profiles in entertainment and media, and it can't be ruled out here.

2. Trade talks break down and Johnson takes the No-deal route: unlikely he (and the EU) would be so clumsy.

3. Post-Brexit, the UK adopts a strongly climate change-sceptical standpoint, while the EU dramatically accelerates its green objectives: this would unite two different popular movements: a catalyst event might motivate this and even sweep up more, such as e.g. another US-dominated oil-centric military initiative.

Nobody expects the unexpected.

Cue the music:

 

[counter_violent]

What marvelous times we live in. If Brexit wasn't enough, we now have the Labour party postmortem on the election result + the battle for control of the soul. Can't wait to get stuck in personally, Brexit was becoming a tad boring.
Then there's the Boris ....... Krankie pantomime. Deep joy.

 

[tomorton]

Many political parties love to hark back to their founding years, when almost-mythical political leaders and statesman-like orators strode this green land. Especially on the left.

The SNP keep pretty quiet that one of their first leaders fought conscription during WW2. Seems he'd rather have seen a Nazi victory as long as Scotland could split from the UK and he could be the leader. Freedom under Nazi domination of course sounds a bit unrealistic................

 

[tomorton]

Many political parties love to hark back to their founding years, when almost-mythical political leaders and statesman-like orators strode this green land. Especially on the left.

The SNP keep pretty quiet that one of their first leaders fought conscription during WW2. Seems he'd rather have seen a Nazi victory as long as Scotland could split from the UK and he could be the leader. Freedom under Nazi domination of course sounds a bit unrealistic................

PS: He was also a member of the Labour Party.

 

[barjon]

What marvelous times we live in. If Brexit wasn't enough, we now have the Labour party postmortem on the election result + the battle for control of the soul. Can't wait to get stuck in personally, Brexit was becoming a tad boring.
Then there's the Boris ....... Krankie pantomime. Deep joy.

They’ve been there before when the “militant” far lefties had control of the party in Michael Foot’s time - it took about 14 years to rid themselves of that toxic influence and become electable again. Even worse with the “momentum” lot this time and although brexit was clearly a major factor it’s momentum/Corbyn’s peddling the politics of hate, as well as seeming not to think much of their own country that is so out of touch with their natural electorate. They are in denial, of course, their manifesto was “incredibly popular” and it was nothing to do with Corbyn’s image. It was just brexit (ignoring that they miscalculated the mood there with the sitting on the fence policy)

 

[Atilla]

They’ve been there before when the “militant” far lefties had control of the party in Michael Foot’s time - it took about 14 years to rid themselves of that toxic influence and become electable again. Even worse with the “momentum” lot this time and although brexit was clearly a major factor it’s momentum/Corbyn’s peddling the politics of hate, as well as seeming not to think much of their own country that is so out of touch with their natural electorate. They are in denial, of course, their manifesto was “incredibly popular” and it was nothing to do with Corbyn’s image. It was just brexit (ignoring that they miscalculated the mood there with the sitting on the fence policy)

What's more Corbyn was always a Brexiteer as the old lefties in the Labour party.

They should have followed Corbyn's instincts and campaigned for total exit rather than appease the mid-ground labour Blairites. Deal or no deal.

That would have been better to split the Brexit vote and get LibDems higher votes or better still elected to scrap the Brexit fiasco.

 

[Signalcalc]

That would have been better to split the Brexit vote and get LibDems higher votes or better still elected to scrap the Brexit fiasco.

Get higher votes for the illib undem clowns to do what? Here is the prime clown, talk about tying herself in knots and there is talk of making her a peer, numbskulls the lot of 'em

 

[timsk]

It's too early to say that everything Brexit wise will turn out as those who voted leave hope and expect it to. However, the situation as a whole looks a whole lot more positive and encouraging than it's done at any time prior to BoJo becoming PM. Dan Hannan sums up the whole saga very well in this short vid':

 

[tomorton]

It's too early to say that everything Brexit wise will turn out as those who voted leave hope and expect it to. However, the situation as a whole looks a whole lot more positive and encouraging than it's done at any time prior to BoJo becoming PM. Dan Hannan sums up the whole saga very well in this short vid':

I think he's rather too gung-ho on the Johnson Brexit plan and prospects. But that's an opinion and I could be wrong about that.

But where he is factually wrong is in saying nothing has changed in Europe. No doubt it suits his vision of the EU to portray it as a monolithic super-state, united in its antipathy towards the UK.

We started down the Brexit road in June 2016. Things have changed radically during this time on the political front within the major EU members. Across the region, the east is pre-occupied with keeping Russia out and the west with bringing Russia in. The south has fudged immigration issues and the north has fudged its response: this will bite back. The far right's election performances have frightened many politicians in the centre and centre-right.

France and Germany's leaders are unpopular and potentially both are on exit routes. Italy and Spain are lost in spirals of political crisis. Poland has no strong EU voice yet. The Netherlands is "led" by a 4-party coalition. Belgium - no government, no surprise.

This is definitely a changed, disunited and weaker EU.

 

[counter_violent]

More from Starkey. Sound quality not the best. He even has a solution to Sigs BBC issue, but I won't spoil it.

 

[Signalcalc]

I think he's rather too gung-ho on the Johnson Brexit plan and prospects. But that's an opinion and I could be wrong about that.

But where he is factually wrong is in saying nothing has changed in Europe. No doubt it suits his vision of the EU to portray it as a monolithic super-state, united in its antipathy towards the UK.

We started down the Brexit road in June 2016. Things have changed radically during this time on the political front within the major EU members. Across the region, the east is pre-occupied with keeping Russia out and the west with bringing Russia in. The south has fudged immigration issues and the north has fudged its response: this will bite back. The far right's election performances have frightened many politicians in the centre and centre-right.

France and Germany's leaders are unpopular and potentially both are on exit routes. Italy and Spain are lost in spirals of political crisis. Poland has no strong EU voice yet. The Netherlands is "led" by a 4-party coalition. Belgium - no government, no surprise.

This is definitely a changed, disunited and weaker EU.

Brexit is the beginning of the end of the EU as we know it, what it morphs into no-one knows, well done the Brits for kick starting the process, obviously there has been undercurrents of discontent amongst the citizenship abroad for many years, hilarious that it was a naiive Tory PM getting the revolution finally underway, interesting decades ahead.

 

[Atilla]

Very premature stuff to say the least.

Another key point on the horizon for me is a potential trump win and when he turns his tariff deal negotiations towards EU.

UK aligning with US will be significant to new future relationship.

Will be frosty to say the least. Much love with our EU cousins will be lost.

It will be very emotional and English hearts will be torn. Well all start talkin about the war again.

Oh what Joy's await us. 😀