Brexit and the Consequences

[counter_violent]

Tory party MPs planning to jump ship. Some joining LibDems and some the Brexit party. Difficult to know who will be left?

Maybe Gove and Boris can do something between them.

Lib Dems now lead by the Swinson numpty who thinks that parliament is some sort of creche.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-45519644

 

[Pat494]

That is typical Trump. He starts the Iranian crisis and when the action starts for serious he bugs out leaving allies in the lurch to fend for themselves. He is not a reliable alley.

UK must look after its own ships in the Gulf, says Pompeo

No 10 better get their brains ariound that fact before disaster happens.

 

[Dowser]

That is typical Trump. He starts the Iranian crisis and when the action starts for serious he bugs out leaving allies in the lurch to fend for themselves. He is not a reliable alley.

UK must look after its own ships in the Gulf, says Pompeo

No 10 better get their brains ariound that fact before disaster happens.

The UK must have known that storming the Iranian ship was likely to lead to tit-for-tat. I think it was a calculated move designed to give the Iranians enough rope to hang themselves. The US an her allies are just waiting, prodding and probing the Iranian regime until they do something 'unforgivable' and can be justified in sending in the troops. Watch this space...

 

[hhiusa]

I never understand how England could have an immigration problem, being an island and all. Tell me you guys saw this Boris PM headline coming for while. Donald Tusk and May were definitely colluding to prevent the Brexit, while acting like they were doing everything they can.

This is exactly how people like Trump get elected: the powers that be on both sides become complacent that the society isn't paying attention, doesn't care, or even if they do, they won't do anything about it. That only lasts so long. What set it over the edge was the Brexit Referendum. I have been barking about this with CV and Tim. What makes anybody think they (mostly Labour, both some Tories as well) think the government would be so inclined as to respect a second vote if they wouldn't respect the vox populi for the first vote.

That BS about Tusk saying: I'll only give a deal if you pass The Great Betrayer's deal, which effectively made this situation possible. They thought they could forestall. This is old news I know, but I saw this coming because it already happened in the US.

In the US, the same thing happened. The Republican and Democrats behaved the same despite opposing party messages. They were too busy bickering among themselves to notice Trump.

 

[Signalcalc]

It won't. Ireland is Ireland and now't to do with Britain.

And unlike Trump with his Mexico problem, we don't need a wall.

How will the UK prevent thousands of migrants walking over the NI border into the UK and claiming asylum without border controls?

 

[Signalcalc]

That is typical Trump. He starts the Iranian crisis and when the action starts for serious he bugs out leaving allies in the lurch to fend for themselves. He is not a reliable alley.

UK must look after its own ships in the Gulf, says Pompeo

No 10 better get their brains ariound that fact before disaster happens.

The official line from UKGov is that the UK were acting on behalf of the EU, apparently nothing to do with the US. I'm not sure why the Spanish/Italian/French/Maltese/Greek/just about any other EU member could have done it though, why is it left to us with our paltry Navy..........is it so that the EU can bail us out at some point, thereby reinforcing the UK/EU military unification bond?

 

[Signalcalc]

I never understand how England could have an immigration problem, being an island and all.

Because successive UK governments have encouraged more and more immigration, the exact opposite of what they were telling us they were going to do.

 

[Signalcalc]

The UK must have known that storming the Iranian ship was likely to lead to tit-for-tat. I think it was a calculated move designed to give the Iranians enough rope to hang themselves. The US an her allies are just waiting, prodding and probing the Iranian regime until they do something 'unforgivable' and can be justified in sending in the troops. Watch this space...

The problem for the Western allies is that Iran is not necessarily to be trifled with, they have massive land forces, backed by powerful friends, control probably half the worlds oil supply either through supply or by blockades, they have fingers in every country pie around the planet.

Big risks to go mob handed into Iran, lots of casualties, little support from the EU/UN, no public support, you could almost say it would be a suicide mission, probably on a par with invading Russia or China.

 

[Atilla]

I reckon Iran should modernise and apply for full membership access to the EU.

 

[Dowser]

The problem for the Western allies is that Iran is not necessarily to be trifled with, they have massive land forces, backed by powerful friends, control probably half the worlds oil supply either through supply or by blockades, they have fingers in every country pie around the planet.

Big risks to go mob handed into Iran, lots of casualties, little support from the EU/UN, no public support, you could almost say it would be a suicide mission, probably on a par with invading Russia or China.

Another war in the Gulf, higher oil prices and general instability - The Military/Industrial complex will be rubbing their grubby hands together!

 

[Signalcalc]

I reckon Iran should modernise and apply for full membership access to the EU.

They don't need to modernise, Hungary, Romania, Poland, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czechs, Slovakia, Slovenia, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Malta and the Baltic states didn't, they just received EU handouts to modernise in return for membership, they are all now 'owned'.

 

[Atilla]

They don't need to modernise, Hungary, Romania, Poland, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czechs, Slovakia, Slovenia, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Malta and the Baltic states didn't, they just received EU handouts to modernise in return for membership, they are all now 'owned'.

Owned????

They never had it so good.

You looking at the wrong end hombre.

 

[Signalcalc]

Another war in the Gulf, higher oil prices and general instability - The Military/Industrial complex will be rubbing their hands grubby together!

If it was that easy for them they would have found the excuse and be in there already, first time in Iraq they had Saddam who was effectively a one-man-band on a mission to invade Kuwait, that was excuse enough, they knew the force strength, or lack thereof, there wasn't big support from the Russians, the 2nd time public opinion had been swayed by the false dossiers on WMD and so were parliamentary votes, then Afghan/Iraq had the 9/11 terrorist excuse, hell they even went into Syria without consultation on the basis of a dictator and look how that has turned out, the latter 2 expeditions have turned into long wars with global consequences, pandora's box springs to mind.

Has the MI complex paused to consider Iran? They aren't steaming in guns blazing, the UK spat is not excuse enough, there just isn't the public support (as if that matters), nothing has gone through UK parliament yet (that matters not also), the UN and EU are quiet on the matter, despite the UK side being supposedly based on EU sanctions, whilst simultaneously denouncing Iranian sanctions (none of which makes sense).

The UK keeps trying though, boarding an Iranian tanker and sending unladen tankers through the straights with transponders turned off and Navy escort is baiting the Iranians, seems the Iranians are wise to it and went for laden unescorted tankers instead, what a daft tactical move by UKGov, either foolhardy or a clever tactical move to reveal something about the Iranians that is not being reported (at this point in time it looks like a miscalculation, however that could be a ruse).

Funny isn't it, how a release to the press of the ship to ship recording of the Iranians capturing the UK tanker was made, I wonder how that came about!

 

[Signalcalc]

Owned????

They never had it so good.

You looking at the wrong end hombre.

You're not seeing the bigger picture, well made metalled roads, capable of transporting tanks and troops to the Eastern border from Western ports.

There's no free ride when it comes to the EU, so yes, they are owned, militarily, economically, politically, industrially ....oh wait.... that reminds of ..............the [former] USSR

Just wait until EU military unification really ramps up in public, you'll see the extent to what they are planning and the cost and then the demise of NATO........

The EU empire, MENA included.

 

[Atilla]

You're not seeing the bigger picture, well made metalled roads, capable of transporting tanks and troops to the Eastern border from Western ports.

There's no free ride when it comes to the EU, so yes, they are owned, militarily, economically, politically, industrially ....oh wait.... that reminds of ..............the [former] USSR

Just wait until EU military unification really ramps up in public, you'll see the extent to what they are planning and the cost and then the demise of NATO........

The EU empire, MENA included.

Have you consulted da citizens on how they feel and what they think? European continent is the happy place to be.

Just look at where all the migrants heading!


You should visit SpecSavers

 

[Signalcalc]

Have you consulted da citizens on how they feel and what they think? European continent is the happy place to be.

Just look at where all the migrants heading!


You should visit SpecSavers

All those tolerant migrants, highly skilled, highly educated, obviously going to save all of their hard earned benefits on a better future and turn Europe into a thriving community of tolerance and peace (as long as it's their culture, not European)

Oh yes, the citizens of the Visegrad, sure, they are letting in loads of migrants aren't they, they are so happy with the situation that they are not putting up fences or voting in populist leaders are they, then we have Italy and Greece to add to that little lot, not forgetting the UK of course, so much happiness around.

 

[Signalcalc]

European continent is the happy place to be.

You are confusing Europe with the EU again, typical remainer, can never make the distinction.

 

[Signalcalc]

Therein lie the answer and the path ahead.

BBC News - Nigel Farage open to electoral pact with Boris Johnson

Nigel Farage open to electoral pact with Boris Johnson

But the Brexit Party leader says the new PM must be committed to the 31 October Brexit deadline.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Signalcalc]

Glum faces at the BBC today as Brexit looks more likely than ever [emoji28]

 

[timsk]

Glum faces at the BBC today as Brexit looks more likely than ever [emoji28]

Just heard John Pienaar - the BBC's Deputy Political Editor - do a character assignation job on on BoJo on the 6 o'clock news. A bit late for that! As you say Sig', they're quaking in their boots after Johson's speech outside No. 10 and learning that Dominic Cummings is to be a senior adviser. Not looking good for the remoaners at all!