Boiler Room Scams

[ramsis]

one other thing experianced_it_all what you said earlier "Simple, Medium or Complext?? That is a complex statement." before you mock someone do what you all failled to do in this first place and what you all preach on now but still dont seem to do..... do your research firstbecause this is actually what the FSA calls them

simple application fee £1500
medium application fee £5000
complex application fee £25,000
non refundable

but i guess you already know that seeming how you know everything

 

[ramsis]

i guess you already know this too, nothing really important but what the heck for arguement sake for all you who doubt i just randomly thought of the next big con.

you must have £10,000 in a secured bank account to make an application for "arranging investments"
you do not need to purchase but must be able to provide a quate from an insurance company that you can obtain PPI (which is professional indemnity insurance for all you ametures out there as experianced_it_all would say)

i can go on but what do i know seeming how you have people in this forum that know everything and im apperently just a scam artist

 

[ramsis]

anyone who tries to call the company telephone now will not get through due to a fault with the BT line i'vve been told it should be up and running again in the next few days by which i will probaly change from BT because they are useless. in the mean time you may call me on my mobile number if you have any immediate questions. tel: 07536483030 or email [email protected]
otherwise if your questions are not too personal then post away.

i also ave no problem what so ever meeting with clients in person as i have done many times in the past.

 

[ramsis]

Anybody heard of 'James O'Neill' and CS International?

yep i know both of them. what was your run in with them, midas entertainment, nanoforce, chaichem, excelsior bio tech, azul studios, comltd msut have been one of these. let me know and i would be happy to tell you some very interesting news about them email me directly [email protected]

 

[ramsis]

i just been looking at your past posts experianced_it_all and to me i must give it to you, very clever. ive notice the earliest post for you
"I have been up and down the block with Restricted and Regulated Stocks and have first hand knowledge of every trick in the book. I started out as a broker and was offered a job with one of these companies. At first everything looks great, nice salary the stocks are flying high and then it all comes crashing down. Thats just the beginning... then comes the "help", where the companies start offering an exit strategy and it is a downward spiral. This affects everybody that is trying to do good business, including good brokers and companies.

If anyone wants the real deal behind the workings of this industry I would be happy to help.

Due to all the chaos that was created by these stocks and the generall market, I have been working with people who were involved with these scams over the last 7 years and NOT ONE success story. There is an excellant opportunity to take advantage of the global real estate market, put your money into something that is viable. I can explain it short and sweet - there is NO EXIT STRATEGY for restricted (b.s.) stocks but there are still good ways to make money.

If anyone wants to get out of that mess and into something good with honest people, please let me know. I have an opportunity for you in a REAL and LEGAL company. I am working with a small private company, not pretending to be a HUGE INTERNATIONAL BROKERAGE OR ADVISOR (but how well did getting involved with an International Adivising Company work out for you?)

If you want to make money through strategy, with people willing to work hard and learn the truth, give me a chance to explain."


you have posted replies in regards to my company more then any other posts you've made since joining in march this year. ........... i wonder why!!!!!!!!! is it because you feel i am stepping on your toes here.

all this knowledge you have about boiler rooms is sourced from you being tought by your floor manager at the boiler room you worked for plus maybe browsing the web here and there reading a few articles and these forums. im sorry but in my book this hardly makes you qualified or an expert.

you later on post a message asking people "how do you get people to believe you if your legit" well i see this as a clever way to pull a scam by people telling you what you have to do to convince them lol

i also know that selling property is another boiler room scam for a fact.
and you question my business module and tell me about how a company is setup to make a profit.......................lol...................... so why is it you state your company is not exclusive to UK investors but then go on to tell people you can help make them money as a legit person.

so if your legit i would assume you are regulated by the spanish financial authorities because you would have to be.. you know that right and if you do sell to UK investors you got no choice but to be regulated

heres a business module for you over their in little sunny old spain... get an office in the UK..... get fsa regulated......make a whole heap of cash......or...... while over in sunny little old spain.......forget the property and concentrate on british expats............get some deals with a few offshore banks and institutions......................offer expats a retirement plan.................and make a whole heap of cash.

but only do that if you really want to help people make some money.

if you want anymore LEGIT ideas of how to make alot of money in the financial service industry I WOULD BE MORE THEN HAPPY TO HELP AND ALL I WOUD REQUIRE IN RETURN FOR MY SERVICE IS 10% OF THE PROFITS.

if its making money frauduently you seek then i can put you in contact with a few boiler rooms who woud be more then happy to give you a job and all i would require from this service to you would be to get me the client bases.

 

[experienced_it_all]

8:42 Hong Kong - Playing USD to gain against EUR.

i thought i made it clear before as an eample of what stock had previously been sold. once again "nanoforce" "NNFC" as for how, well if i explain that then i really have been wasting my time lol with all due respect that has to be the stupidest question so far.

let me make one thing clear here everybody. do not waste your time asking me what would be trade secrets like how, to whom and what is your business module etc.if you want to take advantage of my knowledge then that is what my company is there for.

i have set up a business to help you people. just because it has never been done before does not mean it can not be done. if this was the truth then we would all still be living in the stone age.

despite any knowledge you all believe you have, let me say congratulations. no one on this planet knows everything which is the reason we all specialise in certain and specific areas. this is my area and it is in an area that has very few collegues simply because some says its impossible and they leave it at that.

theres an old saying "you can find a thousand ways for a light buld not to work, but you only need one for it to work"

i found a thousand ways for this not to work but i did not stop there, i continued untill i found the second part to this old saying " you only need one for it to work" i found it.

no matter how experianced any of you maybe within the financial services industry or how much knowledge you all may believe you have, there is always someone out their who knows something you do not. just because you do not know certain things does not mean it is not true.

i believe there is a word for this.... "ignorance"

did you know that even though boiler rooms have been in operation since the stock market began it was only up untill last year there was the first international boiler conference in london.. so what does this tell you... that the fsa and government finaly decided to pull there heads out their ****'s.... NO ..... its because things are changing and we are starting to understand it all a little better. we now understand exactly how it all works. you may think you know but believe me its not as clear cut as you may think (experianced_it_all) you may read the publications sent out by the FSA and SEC and implement your financial knowledge with it all untill you believe you now got all the answers but you dont. everything you say makes complete sense ( if i was an ameture) but its just that.. well like i said there is more to it then meets the eye.

please send your company website experianced_it_all

What, now you have a "secret" way to sell a publicly traded stock? Do you know anything about securities, disclosure or transparency?!? Rule 144, Sellers Rep. Letters, etc. are for the public. It is not a secret. I notice that you never really answer any questions. You act like there is a way to sell garbage. This is not about reading articles on websites, this is about understanding the FSA and SEC bylaws and understanding that these companies and brokers have used loopholes to sell stocks which have been diluted until they have no value. WHO WANTS TO BUY GARBAGE STOCKS??? That is the root of the problem, people already bought these garbage stocks because they did not know they were garbage ("Blank check status", Dilution, Reverse Merger, Risk Arbitrage, Shell Corp. - these are a few things that the "Broker" failed to disclose). Now you are saying that professionals are going to buy them back?

You did not "find" anything but another way to try and scam people. All these things you mention are to confuse people (or try anyway).

And let me add, this is NOT your area, this is MY area. That is why I can easily refute your arguments. I do not claim to know everything, I do not need to. But I am positive that only another sucker would want shares that will never have value, will never trade, will never have liquidity, will never have dividends... The government is not going to step in and give you money because you made a bad investment. Really these stocks are not even "Boiler Room" because the set-up is legit. There is nothing illegal to a stock price dropping.

You have found nothing, you have nothing and anyone that uses your services will soon have nothing.

Your either an average con-artist or a really confused good guy. You either understand how these stocks work and want to keep fooling people into thinking there is value in their shares or you have absolutely no idea what you are doing and you will go broke trying to re-invent the wheel using four 90º angles!

The stupidest thing I have done is responding to you. It has obviously been very slow trading in the last 24 hours.

p.s. Shut-up about my website, I am not soliciting business here!! Check Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth and U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (Home Page) to see where I get my info.

Good luck with your Gray market and Gray list stock scam.

 

[experienced_it_all]

i just been looking at your past posts experianced_it_all and to me i must give it to you, very clever. ive notice the earliest post for you
"I have been up and down the block with Restricted and Regulated Stocks and have first hand knowledge of every trick in the book. I started out as a broker and was offered a job with one of these companies. At first everything looks great, nice salary the stocks are flying high and then it all comes crashing down. Thats just the beginning... then comes the "help", where the companies start offering an exit strategy and it is a downward spiral. This affects everybody that is trying to do good business, including good brokers and companies.

If anyone wants the real deal behind the workings of this industry I would be happy to help.

Due to all the chaos that was created by these stocks and the generall market, I have been working with people who were involved with these scams over the last 7 years and NOT ONE success story. There is an excellant opportunity to take advantage of the global real estate market, put your money into something that is viable. I can explain it short and sweet - there is NO EXIT STRATEGY for restricted (b.s.) stocks but there are still good ways to make money.

If anyone wants to get out of that mess and into something good with honest people, please let me know. I have an opportunity for you in a REAL and LEGAL company. I am working with a small private company, not pretending to be a HUGE INTERNATIONAL BROKERAGE OR ADVISOR (but how well did getting involved with an International Adivising Company work out for you?)

If you want to make money through strategy, with people willing to work hard and learn the truth, give me a chance to explain."


you have posted replies in regards to my company more then any other posts you've made since joining in march this year. ........... i wonder why!!!!!!!!! is it because you feel i am stepping on your toes here.

all this knowledge you have about boiler rooms is sourced from you being tought by your floor manager at the boiler room you worked for plus maybe browsing the web here and there reading a few articles and these forums. im sorry but in my book this hardly makes you qualified or an expert.

you later on post a message asking people "how do you get people to believe you if your legit" well i see this as a clever way to pull a scam by people telling you what you have to do to convince them lol

i also know that selling property is another boiler room scam for a fact.
and you question my business module and tell me about how a company is setup to make a profit.......................lol...................... so why is it you state your company is not exclusive to UK investors but then go on to tell people you can help make them money as a legit person.

so if your legit i would assume you are regulated by the spanish financial authorities because you would have to be.. you know that right and if you do sell to UK investors you got no choice but to be regulated

heres a business module for you over their in little sunny old spain... get an office in the UK..... get fsa regulated......make a whole heap of cash......or...... while over in sunny little old spain.......forget the property and concentrate on british expats............get some deals with a few offshore banks and institutions......................offer expats a retirement plan.................and make a whole heap of cash.

but only do that if you really want to help people make some money.

if you want anymore LEGIT ideas of how to make alot of money in the financial service industry I WOULD BE MORE THEN HAPPY TO HELP AND ALL I WOUD REQUIRE IN RETURN FOR MY SERVICE IS 10% OF THE PROFITS.

if its making money frauduently you seek then i can put you in contact with a few boiler rooms who woud be more then happy to give you a job and all i would require from this service to you would be to get me the client bases.

Because your English is not so good I will keep this one simple. (Like you mean business model, not module, which exists but is used for web apps.)

So you are strategically aligned with these boiler room people and could put me in contact as long as we have an arrangement? Why claim that you are legit and come out and say that?? See how a little frustration brings out the truth, in law school they teach you how your body shifts chemically when you are agitated and affects the brain waves and thinking ability. You should have made it to that class.

You can not see my first posts because I asked the Moderator to trash them. People did not pick up on my sarcasm.

I was brought out to Luxemburg to work for a company that ran into problems with Boiler Room companies. I didn´t have a manager, I was brought out to manage. Many of my clients (which I still am in business with today) had problems with "Swiss" firms and B.S. Restricted stocks.

What I said in those posts is still true. "there is NO EXIT STRATEGY for restricted (b.s.) stocks"

My company is not in Spain, it is registered and I am not soliciting investments. So why would your little fake operation be stepping on my toes?

Now you are calling me a scammer because I tell people that Restricted Stocks are garbage? So you are saying these were good purchases?

I have wasted way too much time responding to you.

Lets take a poll. How many people think there is a future in re-selling their Reg./Restricted Boiler Room Stocks? (Say "Yay") How many people think that these shares will always be worthless and Ramsis the Rookie´s operation is just another con who probably blew all his original sales money on cocaine? (Say "Nay" at least to the stocks are worthless part)

I think the "Nays" will have it.

(I should have just sent these to you by PM because I am sure people are sick of reading these posts and the constant back and forth, if you need any further explanation or help with your diction just PM me.)

 

[ramsis]

My English is fine thank you very much. This is a forum is it not? I had no idea you had to spell in absolute perfect English, if a few spelling mistakes on this forum make you all think I am a con artist then good luck to you.

I see no point in a PM, this has been a topic publicly available and I am sure it would only be wrong to go in to hiding.

You now claim I never give any real answers?????????? As far as I can tell I have done nothing but give very clear answers! Maybe you’re not actually reading what I am actually writing here and only picking what you want to hear.

you just keep going on about restricted stock this and restricted stock that... well technically speaking it most likely means nothing due to the fact that the majority of people in this forum have owned their stocks for more then the restriction period, therefore their stocks are no longer restricted. By no means what so ever have I said they were good buys. But just because they were not good buys does no mean they are worthless buys, and I am not saying they will get out at a profit (no chance).

Yes I do know boiler rooms of course I do how can I not. Part of my business is about combating boiler rooms so it would only be logical for me to know a few in fact a good few. Getting a job in a boiler room is Childs play anyone on this planet that can speak English is the only requirement to work for a boiler room. You only need to pick up the London metro paper which is given out free of charge all over London every day to find a job in a boiler room.

I find it impossible to believe you are a manager in this industry if you are going to state something so ridiculous such as my trade secrets are something along the lines of a joke. So let me get this straight I must first explain to you exactly where and how I am able to sell these shares so you all can believe it actually is possible? Now if I done that would there be much point in actually setting up this company????????? You really do have some interesting business tactics.

I have answered every single question you have all given to me apart from 1 "how do I sell these shares" its the most obvious question you can ask, where you know what answer you will get even if you was dealing with Merrill lynch. You’re not going to know.

As for frustrating me.... you couldn’t do that if you tried your absolute hardest. Why? because it matters not to me what you may think or what you believe you know because you merely assume you know all about this when quite simply you have not got a real clue. You can throw around your fancy terminology all day long and tell every one what they already know about restrictions and you can pose around with your law degree reminiscing to yourself about your first day at school but you are not helping anyone apart from your own ego. It’s so much easier to tell everyone how they have lost everything then find a real solution. As I said it’s not guaranteed nor is it a scam as you put it “because there is no chance they can be sold”, well there is a chance they could be.

And another thing your wrong about saying the government is not going to give you money because you made a bad investment is once again an uneducated statement because they will in some cases so I guess you know nothing about accounting. Do you even know anything about the FSA, UK company law and accounting I think not?

Like I said the one word that springs to mind when I read your posts is "ignorance"

What I can not understand is why you are even in this forum. because it does not sound to me that you have brought any of these kind of shares nor does it sound like you have anything useful to say to any of these people apart from as I said your same old story about “these share are worthless”, which is what they are all already saying so what kind of comfort do you get exactly from all of this. or are you going to tell us all that you are here to help people by telling them "yes that company is a scam and this company has changed to this company and help them find information about what the telephone number is etc etc etc etc etc. because you have made it very clear that you know about law and finances and that they have not broken the law so nothing can be done. If that’s the case why would you even waste your time finding all this information out for people? Do you get some kind of kick telling people that they have lost all of there money when they already know it themselves so you feel it right to rub it in???? does it make you feel that your of great importance being here telling the same old story making people feel even more depressed about there situation. Because I do not. I even know some one who committed suicide over his investments (and no he was not a client of mine) I know people who have divorced over all of this. So what is your purpose, really what is it. To keep people away from people like me????? Some one coming to them... saying there maybe a chance and I maybe able to help them. It almost sounds like you want these people to suffer even more then they have already done so.

As I have stated before I know all the scams boiler rooms try and pull off and I know boiler rooms have told people they can sell there shares when they had no intension to do so. Believe me if I wanted to scam people, I would not waste my time with Ramsis Securities.

and if you was called in to help a company in Luxemburg and manage a team of people because they were having trouble with boiler rooms (I have never heard of that one before- that’s original) why the hell are you now working for a small company now, how does that make any sense, in fact don’t tell me the recession caught up with them so you was made redundant or something.

The fact is at the end of the day I know something that you do not know about, and that very clearly bothers you. You can now tell your self "no its not that, it’s just that another con artist is trying to scam people" but that’s not the truth your just bothered I know something you don’t know about.

You claim to know so much about all of this and that this is YOUR AREA news flash kid its not.
Let me ask you something now if it’s your area. Which boiler is being investigated by the SFO right now who is next to go to court, I’ll even give you the city where the trial will be held "Ipswich"
If you can get that one right give me the list for this year. Can you do that you must be seeming it’s your area?

The point is you can’t and the reason you cant is because you do not make this AREA the main purpose of your working life. You do not spend every singe day awake until 7am even on weekends to make this your business. you do not even go out there and try to find solutions because your to busy telling people they messed up you don’t even try to find the answers to common questions because you think you already know all the answers when you obviously do not. You do not spend 10’s of thousands of pounds (sterling) on research and development and dedicating your life to it. So don’t give me your nonsense about you know it all ( and don’t try telling your self “well the reason I don’t do that is because I’m not that stupid), that’s just stupid and again that key word “ignorant”

I have laid all my cards on the table – even my mobile number freely when not 1 person had even asked for it. I have asked you for your company website and still not got it, so who is it that is really avoiding questions here?
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Give us your mobile number and i'll give you a tinkle. Don't worry, i won't call when you're out delivering pizzas on your moped.
I don´t understand the comment. If I do not deal with Restricted Stocks or related b.s., I must be delivering pizzas??? Please keep comments to this thread intelligible.
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I guess old habits die hard!

and i quote "paul, another lost soul pushing bad investments" alot of help you really are
no wonder you asked the Moderator to trash your first posts "should have asked them to do them all really"

Like it or not I am here for a purpose and that is not to scam anybody!
What are you here for?

 

[ramsis]

p.s. i do not do cocaine and never have. However i do seem to smoke alot of Marlboro Lights and need to cut down or even quit, terrible on the lungs you can feel it! ( and dont try to smart by saying something like you need to quit this company) anyone know of any good ways to quit smoking or at least cut down? (again not an open for a ridiculous smart comment)

 

[anley]

Ramis you still haven't answered the simple question -

who is your contact man at the FSA, the one dealing with your current application.

If you give us this information then you will be taken seriously here. If not then only a fool would believe anything you say.

So c'mon, we're not asking fgor much we just want you to back up your claim that you're currently applying for FSA membership.

 

[experienced_it_all]

Ramsis,

You keep repeating the same things. The restriction period does not matter. All these companies are reverse merger/shell companies used for a complicated/legal scam. There will be no selling. This is a straight forward fact. You act like these people bought legitimate stocks. These stocks were never meant to be sold. Most of the funds were sent to "Escrow Agents" who do not exist anymore. Even if you actually had a contact at the FSA, you wouldn´t have a method to sell these particular stocks. These are morally corrupt companies.

The subscription agreements state that only 35-40% of the money will go to the company. The company´s management then takes that money and pockets it. They never plan on taking the company anywhere. Again, these companies are not Microsoft.

I have compiled a list of 200+ stocks over several years and not 1, repeat - not 1, has done anything. They just change symbols and run the scam again.

p.s. I do not refer to your misspellings, I refer to your diction and misuse of words.

Also, why would I give a con artist my website, my company has nothing to do with equities. I just read these posts for opinion, not to solicit business. I did that when I first came to this site, but I understand now (as you should) that this is just an arena for opinion and to pass info., not to try an do business with other people on here. Everyone on here is too skeptical and they have a right to be.

I really do apologize if you are legit. Sincerely. I would be the first to try and partner up with you. But you have not said anything to prove you have an understanding of Restricted Stocks and the scams that have occurred or any viable way of obtaining liquidity for these stocks (which does not exist).

 

[experienced_it_all]

1 Question.

In 158 pages of postings in this thread alone, is there ANYONE who has sold a Restricted/OTC stock that was sold by an "International Broker/Cold Caller/Boiler Room"?

(I refer to cash settlement, not a cross-trade into a new stock + adding capital!)

 

[ramsis]

1- i think i have made it very clear that ramsis securities has not filed it's application (please refer to initial posts)

2- their is not a contact that anybody would have within the FSA when making an application, however the department which i am in contact with as anybody should be if making a legit application for FSA regulation is the "preliminary guidance department"

3 - i can not see how i am repeating myself and if i am, it is to answer the same questions again with my same answer. because with all due respect you are not reading what is in front of you. however i am seeing other repeat them self's consistantly.

4 - its not me that is not answering questions here, it's actually others.

5 - if anyone here actually understands anything to do with business then you will also understand (especially if you have a unique product) that there is only so much information you can supply to protect your business interests

6- as i have said a few stocks have been sold in the past wheather yuo decide to belive it or not, also there can be a chance in some cases where you can sell these stock. like i said just because you do not know of a way based on information you believe you know does not mean you are correct.

7- if this was a scam company as you put it, there would not be a chance in hell i would register the company in the united kingdom and then even think about conducting business in the UK. that would just be plain simple suicide.

8- if this was a scam company i would not have some of the UK's most influential business people as myy clients (even government officials)

9- at no point what so ever in this forum have i asked anyone to become a member of ramsis securities. in fact i have not even tryed to sell to anyone. i have simply provided you all with information that a company has been setup to help investors like yourselves. i am not asking anyone to become members right now but to provide your contact details so i can keep you updated for when the company becomes FSA regulated you can feel even more comfortable when you join my company which in fact is he whole reason the company will be FSA regulated.

10- i have asked for your company details experianced_it_all for the purpose of knowing your character a bit better seeming how you would like to question mine after providing my details very openly. i have not asked fo them because i would like to do business with you nor have i asked for them because i want to affiliate my self with you.

11- i see no point in detailing all my knowledge about restricted stocks what would it achieve exactly. for all you know i could copy and paste everything there is to know about restricted stock so its point less.

12- where you get your information fom is 10th rate as far as i am concerned (no disrespect intended) i was born, raised and educated in oxford which has been around for more then 800 years and word leaders come out of apossed to the 19 years tuck has been around for and i am sure each sides professors would agree who it woud be best to talk to not only that i am sure my professors would have something to say about your comment to my diction. you ma look at the SEC website but i actually talk to the SEC and have visited them on a number of occassions. (i have not stated this to rage war to whom has the bigger set of b**ls)

i have a little suggestion..... no matter how much you may doubt of disagree with it all. rather then call me a con artist, why not try to embrasse this fact that i am here to help and i may actually be able to help people sell their shares. by doing this we might be able to discuss and co-operate to (as i asked before) provide feed back and suggestions (and no.. telling me it cant be done is not helping). if your here to help people as i am then start helping them with something that is actually of help rather then rubbing their misfortunes in their faces! other wise please leave it alone

 

[ramsis]

In 158 pages of postings in this thread alone, is there ANYONE who has sold a Restricted/OTC stock that was sold by an "International Broker/Cold Caller/Boiler Room"?

(I refer to cash settlement, not a cross-trade into a new stock + adding capital!)

Not everyone who has joined this forum totals the amount of people who invested through potential boiler rooms. i would say it totals to a decimal in comparison, maybe even a fraction of a decimal.

 

[experienced_it_all]

Ramsis,

This is a family business for me. My education is not only formal, but practical. I understand the difference between companies who use Reg. D correctly and those who use it as a loop hole to drain international investors of their savings. You keep talking like all the Restricted shares are the same. I hope you didn´t pay to much for that Oxford education, which is complete B.S. because you do not use simple English words correctly. I have experience with PIPE´s and bringing good companies to the market. You act like these companies sold in boiler rooms want to do well but it was never the intention of the managers.

You didn´t mention my post about taking ford at $1.55, which is a Multi-Billion dollar company. Do you understand anything?


Answer me this and I will let it be. What value does a company have who´s sole intention is to reverse-merge, obtain a symbol, balloon the share price, obtain funding, pump, dump and dilute the stock? (Companies with 200 million outstanding shares selling at $2 with $35K debt on the books, get real!)

These junk stocks are not meant to be sold. It is pure market manipulation. Please address the real issue and explain why you think you can sell stocks that have no underlying value. (And yes, Merrill Lynch would fully disclose their process and use of underwriters, brokers, market makers etc.)

 

[ramsis]

listen once and and for all experianced_nothing.

this forum is about investments if you want ti critise the use of peoples english then i suggest you join the forum for english literiture and stop talking non-sense.

a few times now i have used the word micro-cap and you have said nothing at all on it (dont bother trying to research about it or say anything about it now - you're too late as far as i am concerned)

if you actually knew anything what so ever about these investments then you would know not to even waste your time going over and over again about the same old things such as RESTRICTED STOCK. the use for this word is meaning less simply because it no longer applies to a majority of investors any more. do ou even know why boiler rooms give their client restricted stock, i guess not. there is no loop holes what so ever in restricted stock that make it a god send for boiler rooms.

the reason boiler rooms give their clients restricted shares is because it buys them time to what they call "load" the clients meaning re-sell to them. this allows the boiler to to tell you the shares are restricted and can not be sold for your own benefit (the client), with the shares being restricted the shares can not be sold thus not making the equity volitiel (so they say) and they will inform you of when you should sell your holdings just before the restriction expires (so they say). now the other benefit to a boiler room to sell you restricted shares is that you will not even attempt to sell your shares while they are restricted (fact) which again buys them more time to continue selling the equity with you having no idea that most likely you will not be able to sell your holdings through the means of a normal broker.

SO WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU RAMPING ON ABOUT RESTRICTED SHARES AND REGULATION-D SHARE and REGULATION-S AND 144 STOCK AND 144K STOCK AND DILUTION AND ALL THE OTHER RUBBISH YOU ARE GOING ON ABOUT. YOU CLEARLY KNOW NOTHING.

YOU MAYBE ABLE TO FOOL EVERYONE ELSE HERE BUT DO NOT EVEN ATTEMPT IT WITH ME.

now if you knew anything about these shares you would also know why every single boiler room sells in equities in company which are classed as a (again that all important word) "Micro-cap" company, THIS IS THE LOOP HOLE -NOTHING ELSE so what i will do now for you is copy and paste some important parts to microcap (its easier that way)

"What Is a Microcap Stock?
The term "microcap stock" applies to companies with low or "micro" capitalizations, meaning the total value of the company's stock. Microcap companies typically have limited assets. For example, in cases where the SEC suspended trading in microcap stocks, the average company had only $6 million in net tangible assets — and nearly half had less than $1.25 million. Microcap stocks tend to be low priced and trade in low volumes."

"Where Do Microcap Stocks Trade?
Many microcap stocks trade in the "over-the-counter" (OTC) market and are quoted on OTC systems, such as the OTC Bulletin Board (OTCBB) or the "Pink Sheets." -------HENCE THE REASON ALL YOUR SHARES ARE ON THE OTC MARKET

"How Are Microcap Stocks Different From Other Stocks?
Lack of Public Information The biggest difference between a microcap stock and other stocks is the amount of reliable, publicly available information about the company. Larger public companies file reports with the SEC that any investor can get for free from the SEC's website. Professional stock analysts regularly research and write about larger public companies, and it's easy to find their stock prices in the newspaper. In contrast, information about microcap companies can be extremely difficult to find, making them more vulnerable to investment fraud schemes.

No Minimum Listing Standards Companies that trade their stocks on major exchanges and in the Nasdaq Stock Market must meet minimum listing standards. For example, they must have minimum amounts of net assets and minimum numbers of shareholders. In contrast, companies on the OTCBB or the Pink Sheets do not have to meet any minimum standards."

"Which Companies Don't Have to File Reports With the SEC?
Smaller companies — those with less than $10 million in assets — generally do not have to file reports with the SEC. But some smaller companies, including microcap companies, may choose voluntarily to register their securities with the SEC. As described above, companies that register with the SEC must also file quarterly, annual, and other reports."

"A Word About Offering Requirements
Any company that wants to offer or sell securities to the public must either register with the SEC or meet an exemption. Here are two of the most common exemptions that many microcap companies use:

"Reg A" Offerings Companies raising less than $5 million in a 12-month period may be exempt from registering their securities under a rule known as Regulation A. Instead of filing a registration statement through EDGAR, these companies need only file a printed copy of an "offering circular" with the SEC containing financial statements and other information.

"Reg D" Offerings Some smaller companies offer and sell securities without registering the transaction under an exemption known as Regulation D. Reg D exempts from registration companies that seek to raise less than $1 million dollars in a twelve-month period. It also exempts companies seeking to raise up to $5 million, as long as the companies sell only to 35 or fewer individuals or any number of "accredited investors" who must meet high net worth or income standards. In addition, Reg D exempts some larger private offerings of securities. While companies claiming an exemption under Reg D don't have to register or file reports with the SEC, they must still file what's known as a "Form D" within a few days after they first sell their securities. Form D is a brief notice that includes the names and addresses of owners and stock promoters, but little other information about the company. You may be able to find out more about Reg D companies by contacting your state securities regulator."

NOTICE WHAT I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED....... IT IS THE REASON WHY YOU RECIEVE THIS LITTLE DISCLAIMER AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR CONTRACT NOTES……….

“"The information provided here is based upon sources we believe to be reliable, but its accuracy cannot be guaranteed. Recommendations are given in good faith but without legal responsibility and are subject to change without notice. These shares carry a high degree of risk and are only suitable for institutional, sophisticated or high net worth investors. You should only make investments in these shares if you can afford partial or complete capital loss. Investors should be aware that past performance is not necessarily a guide to the future and that the price of shares, and the income derived from them, may fall as well as rise and the amount realised may be less than the original sum. ABC Limited takes no responsibility for offshore introductions and realises some clients may have been introduced by offshore (non UK regulated companies) Receipt of payment confirms you as a willing buyer."

THIS IS THE LOOP HOLE NOTHING ELSE

Your next plan of action after reading this post is to respond with your usual cheap shots and ask the same question which I gave the same answers to “how do you sell them” now im not going to explain this because I do not have to and it would be the stupidest thing for me to do (and no, setting up this company was not the stupidest). Once again you have made an incorrect statement if some of the likes of merill lynch were to have a unique product, they would not nor would anyone else as a fact disclose such vital information to anyone. The only time this information would be required is once the company had established itself through the use of its product, then and only then you maybe required to disclose this information to ensure fair competition. So until that time comes I will not disclose this information to anyone ESPECIALLY YOU.

I have nothing to prove to you in fact especially you seeming that you claim to know what you are talking about but very clearly have no idea.

I wish you the very best of luck with your family business and now ask you to stop wasting my time and the people who ACTUALLY HAVE LOST MONEY with these shares.

It’s bean a pleasure talking with you..

 

[ADRIAN123456]

Ramsis -How do you expect to make a profit

Ramsis -How do you expect to make a profit ?

In 1 paragraph , explain how Ramsis make money.?
ie What u do 2 make me money?
ONE Paragraph ...................................
P.S. use the spelling checker to the right of the square u are typing in,
clue... its got a blue arrow with abc written over it...
I do expect correct spelling !!!!!!! or is that coorect speeling ?

 

[experienced_it_all]

Ramsis,

Boiler Rooms sell these stocks because they get 65% commission! Pure and simple.

You really are an idiot. Microcap/Restricted stocks are not sold so the broker can "load". A load can be used on a rising share price, a falling share price and on consecutive stocks. It doesn´t have to be on the same stock. The lock-up period is to give time for the company to sell paper while the price looks good and then dilute the hell out of the stock until the price is worthless.

Restrictions, when used correctly, deter against volatility so all the shares do not hit the free-trading market at once.

Why do keep giving these text book definitions of the rules and regulations. You keep trying to act like the brokers followed the rules and these are still good stocks that have value. You sound EXACTLY like the brokers who sold these b.s. stocks. They convince people that the stocks are in "special" situations as well.

You have not mentioned once about the 100:1 reverse splits that occur. (Again, even there is a share price above $0.01 it is probably just an illusion.)

 

[experienced_it_all]

Ramsis (or anyone else that knows magic!),

Explain to me how you could make a profit from the following stock. (I am not asking for your precious "trade secret", just explain the math.)

So if people bought $20K worth of stock which is now worth $30 (thats Thirty Dollars), how are you going to make money?

MTNA.OB now MTTG.OB - Last Trade $0.0015 (OCT 2, 2008)
Volume 0 (Sold through boiler rooms at a price of $0.40 - $2.00+)

WWNG.PK - Last Trade $0.0003
(Sold through boiler rooms at a price of $0.10 - $2.00+)




or just tell me, what share price did you get for NANOFORCE INC. (NNFC.PK)?
No one that understands equities would touch these shares! 2 Billion Shares Authorized. Look at the float. This stock can just keep selling shares and changing names. It is like a vacuum to suck up savings from innocent investors. Oh, I forgot, you have a "trade secret" that makes this stock valuable.

NNFC.PK - Last listed trade $0.01 (actual trade probably much less)

Info. from PinkSheets.com (NNFC.PK)

Current Capital Change
shs increased by 10 for 1 split

Company Notes
◦Formerly=WEBGALAXY, Inc. until 4-05
◦Formerly=Arizona Juno Resources, Inc. until 12-97

Estimated Market Cap
$9,783,722 as of Jul 29, 2009
Outstanding Shares
978,372,222 as of Aug 31, 2006
Authorized Shares
2,000,000,000 as of May 5, 2006
Float
10,253,226 as of May 9, 2006

Pink OTC Markets has discontinued the display of quotes on pinksheets.com for this security because it has been labeled Caveat Emptor (Buyer Beware) and because adequate current information has not been made available by the issuer of the securities. It has been labeled Caveat Emptor for one of the following reasons:
•Questionable Promotion — The security is being promoted to the public, but adequate current information about the issuer has not been made available to the public.
•Spam — The security is the subject of spam promotion having the effect of encouraging trading of the issuer's securities.
•Investigation of Fraud — There is a known investigation of fraudulent activity involving the company, its securities or insiders.
•Suspension/Halt — A Regulatory Authority has halted or suspended trading for public interest concerns (i.e. not a news or earning halt).
•Disruptive Corporate Actions — The security or issuer is the subject of corporate actions, such as reverse mergers or serial stocks splits and name changes, without adequate current information being publicly available.
•Unsolicited Quotes — The security has only been quoted on an unsolicited basis since it entered the public markets and the issuer has not made adequate current information available to the public.
•Other Public Interest Concern — There is, in Pink OTC Markets' view, a public interest concern.

 

[ramsis]

you all really love your cheap shots here but anyway, i never knew about the abc button that checks the coorect speelling. thank you