you know its fuuny.................having been ashamed enough to admit i have been involved in this industry, i find it remarkable that you guys would even deal over the phone via a cold call. having just looked up the wikipedia defo of a boiler room it quotes we sit joul to joul in very very bad conditions...............nothing my friends could be far from the truth. we bathed ,in the past tense, in cocaine and massivly expensive meals and other freebies. this a multi million dollar industry............make no mistake. god we even had free accomodation chucked in for good measure..............this is no longer the high pressure business you think it is. there all sorts of ways to get round things...............as i said im done with all this my morals well i just cant do this anymore...............anyone wanna mail me all welcome
Boiler Room Scams
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Mish
First shame on you for being nothing but a dirty thief and wrecker of many lives, especially the older people who have no way of getting out of the financial problems you caused.
Having said that at least you have a conscience and have left the business. But why don't you do something worthwhile and send an unsigned letter to the Police with ALL the details you know, (real) names, banks, addresses etc. If you do that I think you should be able to live with yourself a bit better. It's one thing stealing from companies or people that can afford it to live the high life but another to totally wreck lives by thieving off the average man in the street.
And you say 'there are all sorts of ways around things', I would have agreed with you in the past but the Police here in the UK and some in Government are really pissed off right now so the rules have changed for the scammers. Before you were virtually untouchable because everyone used the excuse that the 'fraud wasn't committed in our country'. But the weak link is the money trail that you'll always leave and that's what they're going after and they will succeed in bringing some of thw bosses down as has recently been proved by that guy in Forida who's looking at about 100 years.........
So again, do the right thing and send that information in, then what you did might not have been in vain........
First shame on you for being nothing but a dirty thief and wrecker of many lives, especially the older people who have no way of getting out of the financial problems you caused.
Having said that at least you have a conscience and have left the business. But why don't you do something worthwhile and send an unsigned letter to the Police with ALL the details you know, (real) names, banks, addresses etc. If you do that I think you should be able to live with yourself a bit better. It's one thing stealing from companies or people that can afford it to live the high life but another to totally wreck lives by thieving off the average man in the street.
And you say 'there are all sorts of ways around things', I would have agreed with you in the past but the Police here in the UK and some in Government are really pissed off right now so the rules have changed for the scammers. Before you were virtually untouchable because everyone used the excuse that the 'fraud wasn't committed in our country'. But the weak link is the money trail that you'll always leave and that's what they're going after and they will succeed in bringing some of thw bosses down as has recently been proved by that guy in Forida who's looking at about 100 years.........
So again, do the right thing and send that information in, then what you did might not have been in vain........
my husband bought lots of shares over the years from Global Resources Advisors which we think was based in Barcelona does anyone know anything about them as they are no longer accessable.
Beware we have been cold called in the last week from a Andrew Thomas another name given was Andrew Mc Laren calling themselfs Security Advisory Group Telephone 001 707 324 3806
Email [email protected]
Beware we have been cold called in the last week from a Andrew Thomas another name given was Andrew Mc Laren calling themselfs Security Advisory Group Telephone 001 707 324 3806
Email [email protected]
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I've been getting calls from Clark Dodge from New York.
Aggie - STEER CLEAR of them. They're only calling you because you were a good prospect in the past.
Or, if you want to mess them around play along, say you'll invest and then get their banking details then pass this information on to the Police - City of London Police - Boiler room and hopefully they'll be able to freeze the account with money still in it. That will mean 2 things, 1) the scammers won't be able to get hold of the money and b) it will most probably get returned to its rightfull owners.
Or, if you want to mess them around play along, say you'll invest and then get their banking details then pass this information on to the Police - City of London Police - Boiler room and hopefully they'll be able to freeze the account with money still in it. That will mean 2 things, 1) the scammers won't be able to get hold of the money and b) it will most probably get returned to its rightfull owners.
Spartamatrix
I think Goosemans advice is as sound as it gets. The problem is, it's like telling somebody to stop smoking. They know it makes sense to stop but still carry on smoking.
If you need to satisfy that niggling doubt that you are missing an opportunity try a few of the other checks which have been suggested on this site. Does it come up as a withheld number on your mobile when they call? Are they registered with the FSA? Can you call the person back and get through? Usually a telephone operator takes your number because the person is 'busy' and they call back. Do they want you to send money offshore? If they cold called you it is a scam, it's just a question of whether you stop it now or lose any money you send them. Take Goosemans advice.
I think Goosemans advice is as sound as it gets. The problem is, it's like telling somebody to stop smoking. They know it makes sense to stop but still carry on smoking.
If you need to satisfy that niggling doubt that you are missing an opportunity try a few of the other checks which have been suggested on this site. Does it come up as a withheld number on your mobile when they call? Are they registered with the FSA? Can you call the person back and get through? Usually a telephone operator takes your number because the person is 'busy' and they call back. Do they want you to send money offshore? If they cold called you it is a scam, it's just a question of whether you stop it now or lose any money you send them. Take Goosemans advice.
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Hi,
A while back I was scammed into buying 20000 shares in a company called Neupara by WRG (WorldWideResearchGroup) trading out of Brussels. Then all went quiet for six months. Neupara dissappeared as did the trader that had callled me. Suddenly, they are back on the phone with a brilliant offer! Neupara have been joined up with Praxis Communications and then bought out by Clean Coal Technologies. There is now a bid on the table (letter of intent and all that) for Clean Coal Tech which will allow Neupara share holders to get out at $8/share ( I paid $2 12 months ago). However, to do this, I have to increase my holding as only those who hold enough shares to be in 'tier 3' will benefit from this. I need to purchesa a further 8,400 shares in Clean Coal Tech at $1.80 to get into this tier 3.
Double whammy?
Peopel calling me are Dominic Lawson and Derek McKenzie (Lawson predominantly)
The transfer agent is New York Manhattan.
Escrow agent(?) is Equity Connections.
Clean Coals Exec director has never heard of Praxis or Neupara, Praxis Communications haven't heard of Neupara (although there is a Praxis website that is identical to the Neupara website.
I'm sure its a double whammy, and I'm sure I would loose the extra £7.5K. Its bad enough loosing the initial £20K.
The Belgian authorities sent out a warning no so long back saying that WRG aren't authorised to trade, and that they have a ficticious address.
Any thoughts or knowledge out there?
A while back I was scammed into buying 20000 shares in a company called Neupara by WRG (WorldWideResearchGroup) trading out of Brussels. Then all went quiet for six months. Neupara dissappeared as did the trader that had callled me. Suddenly, they are back on the phone with a brilliant offer! Neupara have been joined up with Praxis Communications and then bought out by Clean Coal Technologies. There is now a bid on the table (letter of intent and all that) for Clean Coal Tech which will allow Neupara share holders to get out at $8/share ( I paid $2 12 months ago). However, to do this, I have to increase my holding as only those who hold enough shares to be in 'tier 3' will benefit from this. I need to purchesa a further 8,400 shares in Clean Coal Tech at $1.80 to get into this tier 3.
Double whammy?
Peopel calling me are Dominic Lawson and Derek McKenzie (Lawson predominantly)
The transfer agent is New York Manhattan.
Escrow agent(?) is Equity Connections.
Clean Coals Exec director has never heard of Praxis or Neupara, Praxis Communications haven't heard of Neupara (although there is a Praxis website that is identical to the Neupara website.
I'm sure its a double whammy, and I'm sure I would loose the extra £7.5K. Its bad enough loosing the initial £20K.
The Belgian authorities sent out a warning no so long back saying that WRG aren't authorised to trade, and that they have a ficticious address.
Any thoughts or knowledge out there?
smudgeywudgey
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Meant to also ask,
Is it possible to see the letter of intent from the prospective purchaser to verify this proposed deal?
Any monkey can make up a story saying there is a big buy out looming and create interest where none should exist.
Is it possible to see the letter of intent from the prospective purchaser to verify this proposed deal?
Any monkey can make up a story saying there is a big buy out looming and create interest where none should exist.
Mishka if as you say you cant scam people anymore,why dont you report what you know to the FSA and the london police and maybe it might help people like me and others who have been scamed out of our life savings, we are pensioners in our 70s and we hoped to help our children especially our eldest daughter who came out of a violent marriage and could do with the money , to help her and her lovely children in the furture . Maybe it will make you think a bit about what you all have done to other peoples lives
Hi Lee
The company was ATS Specialists Inc
Registered in Florida
I bought 10k of shares USD 50k (US5 per share) in July and June 2006
Address (though only from their web site):
13899 Biscayne Boulevard, Suite 141
North Miami Beach , FL 33181
Any help with this would be appriecated.
Smudgy - 100% you're being setup again so if you pay them any money it's going to be stolen.
Why not try to mess them around, say you will buyt the shares and then get hold of the bank account details to pass them on to the City Of London Police - City of London Police - Boiler room
Then tell the scammers when they phone to ask why the money hasn't been paid that you know they're scum and not legit etc.
Good luck and again DON'T fall for the lies........
Why not try to mess them around, say you will buyt the shares and then get hold of the bank account details to pass them on to the City Of London Police - City of London Police - Boiler room
Then tell the scammers when they phone to ask why the money hasn't been paid that you know they're scum and not legit etc.
Good luck and again DON'T fall for the lies........
Lee Shepherd
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I'm going to keep this short and sweet as to not waste your time or more importantly mine.
WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE.
Lee Shepherd
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I cant find any credible evidence to back up these shres you have bought, however, it does appear that they could be pink sheets or OTCBB(over the counter bill board) shares and will come with stipulations. Typically these are hard to value even to the most prudent investor. It would seem that these shares have been sold without the knowledge or authorisation of the said company which would in turn make them worthless.
To be sure of this before throwing them in the bin, contact Ron at ATS, he works for investor relations so would be able to throw more light on the subject.
Investor relations. mailto:[email protected]
As for buying shares from cold callers that you dont know.....simply...dont buy 'em.
As long as people remain hungry/greedy for a quick buck, will find themselves parted with their money extremely fast. These scammers will always be around as long as there are poeple to feed them.
Lee Shepherd
Mishka,
Don't know if your remorse is genuine but I hope so. If it is you must contact Operation Archway with all of your details and maybe you should post a few details on this website to stop people like Aggie having their lives ruined by these scum. If, as Anley says, Operation Archway is able to track the money trail and close or freeze acounts, that is new and good news. I received no feedback from the information I sent them on the Paul Taylor/Richard Moore Linsure/Globus scam but hopefully they are acting on it. These scammers need to be stopped. I'd prefer to deal with them personally but I'd settle for seeing them locked up for a long time. I hope we all get to know about the cases where Operation Archway is successful.
I worry about people like smudgey who seem to be looking for the reason to 'invest' their hard-earned instead of concentrating on exposing these thieves. It's probably because you want to recover your losses and think that maybe this one is genuine. Forget it Smudgey -they ARE scum.
Don't know if your remorse is genuine but I hope so. If it is you must contact Operation Archway with all of your details and maybe you should post a few details on this website to stop people like Aggie having their lives ruined by these scum. If, as Anley says, Operation Archway is able to track the money trail and close or freeze acounts, that is new and good news. I received no feedback from the information I sent them on the Paul Taylor/Richard Moore Linsure/Globus scam but hopefully they are acting on it. These scammers need to be stopped. I'd prefer to deal with them personally but I'd settle for seeing them locked up for a long time. I hope we all get to know about the cases where Operation Archway is successful.
I worry about people like smudgey who seem to be looking for the reason to 'invest' their hard-earned instead of concentrating on exposing these thieves. It's probably because you want to recover your losses and think that maybe this one is genuine. Forget it Smudgey -they ARE scum.
smudgeywudgey
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Hi,
I think I just needed convincing not to do it. Its easy to throw good money after bad and compound my losses.
I have sent stuff to Archway in the past and had no response, even when I sent it all again and asked for confirmation they had received it.
I have all the transfer details and therefore bank accounts form this latest attempt from WRG and will pass all that on as well.
Coffee smells good doesn't it ?
Cheers.
I think I just needed convincing not to do it. Its easy to throw good money after bad and compound my losses.
I have sent stuff to Archway in the past and had no response, even when I sent it all again and asked for confirmation they had received it.
I have all the transfer details and therefore bank accounts form this latest attempt from WRG and will pass all that on as well.
Coffee smells good doesn't it ?
Cheers.
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EXCUSE ME!
Smudgey, sorry but you need a smack around the head, and I'm saying this for your own good.
You've already lost money to a load of scammers, you know how they operate but still you're suggesting that you need convincing NOT to send them any more money.
C'mon, get real, the main reason you're being called is because you fell for their crap in the first place when the scammers first cold called you. They have you down as what is called a 'mark', ie somebody who is stupid and easily fooled.
So if you do send them more money and it goes missing, which there's a 100% chance it will, please only blame yourself, your stupidity and your greed.
Again, this post has been for your own good..........
windsorda
Can you give me any details about these guys. I am sure they are con men Been hit by them & they dont like answering tricky emails.
dinkydo75
A 13.4% drop since Mobile Mail US Inc touted. Hence £300 book loss in a week.
WOW! More if you bought in earlier. It certainly pays to do your research and
study other colleague's reports on T2W. Unfortunately the drift is probably nothing
to do with the company's fortunes.
SamWoe
Can you give me any details about these guys. I am sure they are con men Been hit by them & they dont like answering tricky emails.
dinkydo75
We think this may be genuine , we have no money anyway so we wont be doing anything, but I would like to know if they are genuine as I am curious. We think he said is name was David Sharpe, the firm was Ashbourne He says he rang my husband six months ago offering Tullow Oil shares which were roughly 5pounds at the time they are now nearly twice that, he stated they were registered with the FSA. Does anyone know these. Also does anyone know anything about Global Resources Advisors who were suppose to be in Barcelona as my husband bought a lot of shares from them .
you can use the fsa website to find if a company is actually registered.
FSA Register or something similar....
FSA Register or something similar....
