Alan Rich new scanner

pboyles said:
I think if vendors all use this sort of get rich quick marketing then they will naturally be tarred with the same brush. I don't think that's terribly unreasonable, it's not like any of them ever proved us wrong in the past.

Baghdady...Secker...Barnett...Pousa...PappaC...Wasp...Wallstreet1928...Aussie Rob...or indeed any other Aussie.
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That could be part of the argument certainly, but I am hoping to approach it from a more fundamental level initially. Also note that the issue here is not 'unreasonable' but rather 'illogical' - this is much narrower ground for me to fight on, which adds to my difficulty and satisfaction. We can of course broaden it to 'reasonable' if everyone wishes, although I think that would make it harder for Jon. I am content to bear the handicap of defending logic only.

I made a fairly bold and sweeping statement so I am rather looking forward to defending it, if Jon can be induced to enter the fray once more.

Come along Jon - the mob can look to itself for bread, but it is relying upon us to provide the circuses.
 
BeginnerJoe said:
Actually I don't think the hare is like a nursery teacher at all who needs the correct attitude before rewarding a cookie. I am certain he would give me his secret sauce if I would just ask. But I won't as my assessment of what he's got is that it isn't sufficiently robust and continues to cause him frustration. It's a case of newtonian physics in a quantum mechanics world - things looking good but incomplete.
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Hey joe, here's a clue, this is teh lid to teh secret sauce :LOL:

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I'm lost, who is Naz - Alan Rich or J16 (I suspect?).

EDIT:
Just seen flashes post - Alan Rich.
 
hi chaps. wow what a debate. as a rookie on here, may i ask how many of you people are actually full time traders? and with live accounts?

i always feel amazed at all the negativity on these forums. trading is simple, but extremely hard when factoring in all these emotions.

maybe some people need the scanner? but having said that, i still maintain it is overpriced. however, if it gets people to profit, so what?

why all the negativity? yes we all know its freely available, but come on,are you chaps doing better without scanning or cherry picking trades? surely thats what we must do.

and no, im not AR. i do trade full time, and earn. i also understand the angst with all the scammers, as that was my learning path.

and yes, i have paid AR for a days tution.

as i maintain, chart time, PA, patience and discipline are key.

but lets stop trying to kill a chap for offering a route. the people that buy it are the ones who are not sure enough in their own ability.

and how well are the people knocking it doing?
 
The Leopard said:
Good, the possibility of a proper discussion for a change (if you would like to have one).

So, why does it seem illogical to tar them all with the same brush?*

*I will clarify and say that I tar all system vendors and educators (who make up the overwhelming majority of vendors) with the same brush. I will exclude those such as Toast who sells tools rather than training, systems, black boxes etc.
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Well, basically for the reasons I went through in my post.

Firstly, I would pose the question: Do you think trading can be taught and/or trained and/or coached?

If the answer to that is yes - and if it can't be then it's about the only professional activity I know of that can't be - then who is to do the teaching, training, coaching? And do you expect them to do it for free, or get some financial reward for their services - even if it's just compensation for their "lost" trading time?

Of course, there are many charlatans about, but surely not all.

From what I have seen (and assume I did further "due diligence") I would happily pay flash or toastie for coaching if I felt the need. And it wouldn't make much difference if they had turned that activity into a business or not. So because they then become training vendors you would tar them with the same brush as some of the well known sharks that have been exposed?
 
Liquid validity said:
Yeah Flash mentioned Alan in his quote of Naz.
Good to see you back, didn't see the blowout :LOL:
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No blow-out this time.

I think Jon acted pre-emptively - and indeed, entirely properly - to prevent an escalation from gay pride parade photos to hardcore gay porn involving scenes of mass sodomy.
 
andyibet said:
hi chaps. wow what a debate. as a rookie on here, may i ask how many of you people are actually full time traders? and with live accounts?

i always feel amazed at all the negativity on these forums. trading is simple, but extremely hard when factoring in all these emotions.

maybe some people need the scanner? but having said that, i still maintain it is overpriced. however, if it gets people to profit, so what?

why all the negativity? yes we all know its freely available, but come on,are you chaps doing better without scanning or cherry picking trades? surely thats what we must do.

and no, im not AR. i do trade full time, and earn. i also understand the angst with all the scammers, as that was my learning path.

and yes, i have paid AR for a days tution.

as i maintain, chart time, PA, patience and discipline are key.

but lets stop trying to kill a chap for offering a route. the people that buy it are the ones who are not sure enough in their own ability.

and how well are the people knocking it doing?
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prove it. 7 posts since 2007.hmmm
 
The Leopard said:
No blow-out this time.

I think Jon acted pre-emptively - and indeed, entirely properly - to prevent an escalation from gay pride parade photos to hardcore gay porn involving scenes of mass sodomy.
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:LOL:
Anyway, don't let me interrupt the discussion with Jon .
 
Lord Flasheart said:
prove it. 7 posts since 2007.hmmm
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yes i can prove it. the reason only 7 posts is because i trade full time.

if you want calls, please feel free to pm me and come to my office. no fee.

agian why the negativity? we know trading works, it is the foundation of economies.

i do not wish to do a 'my dads bigger than yours' but yes i can prove what i do.

can you?
 
andyibet said:
yes i can prove it. the reason only 7 posts is because i trade full time.

if you want calls, please feel free to pm me and come to my office. no fee.

agian why the negativity? we know trading works, it is the foundation of economies.

i do not wish to do a 'my dads bigger than yours' but yes i can prove what i do.

can you?
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gone quiet?
 
he he. 10 posts now. am i a real trader yet? ha ha.

come on guys, lets not fall out. yes we know that scammers are bad for the retail industry. but isnt it better to stand on the shoulders of giants?

oh and mr liquid vailidty, please feel free to pm me.

shill isnt spelt like that, or is it?

lets all laff it off for goodness sake. we know how it goes.

these forum are infectious.

peace to all and if i can help somebody i will try.
 
andyibet said:
if you want calls, please feel free to pm me and come to my office. no fee.
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Make some call outs in this thread will kill many birds with a single stone. In fact you can take out the entire species in a single stroke. What's the rationale for making calls in private, that you have the possibility of denial in the event it goes wrong ? Winning and loosing is all part of trading. We should not be that terrified of looses, especially when we know we can make them back.

It is very true trading works, especially for those who have the capacity to manipulate. But they wouldn't be here to waste their time.
 
off for dinner now. i will look at this thread again 2mo.

prepared to give my number and address as i dont like being called full of shill.

live in the east midlands.
 
ha ha. beginner joe. i trade 5, 15 and 60 mins plus swing trade. i make my daily from trading intraday. to posts those trades would be over before you read them.

i am prepared to show what i do.

is anybody else. and no i am not Alan Rich, just somebody who knows what i do.
 
andyibet said:
he he. 10 posts now. am i a real trader yet? ha ha.

come on guys, lets not fall out. yes we know that scammers are bad for the retail industry. but isnt it better to stand on the shoulders of giants?

oh and mr liquid vailidty, please feel free to pm me.

shill isnt spelt like that, or is it?

lets all laff it off for goodness sake. we know how it goes.

these forum are infectious.

peace to all and if i can help somebody i will try.
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No shill is spelt like that :)
Shill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Why the need to PM you?

If you want the reason for the suspicion, its the small number of posts,
all bar one in vendor threads (related to this vendor as well potentially).

If you are legit, fair enough, but what would you think?
 
ha ha. shill is spelt like that, youre correct.

i seem to be getting myself into a hole, which i actually dont want to be in as i agree with you guys about things.

i am legit and i have spent a day with AR. i would discuss that in private.

but i still dont understand the negativity. lets get everybody having a piece of their money back off the banks. i agree some sytems on the tinterweb are re-hashed and harmful to new traders. but if somebody can show them a way to cherry pick what is wrong. lets be honest, £3k to learn a job worth £70-100k a year? not a bad return.

but yes i do think the scanner is well overpriced considering it is available free when you know where to go. so that is the only bad part of this as real traders already know and it preys on the vulnerable/

guys i am on your side. just probably had too much at lunch.
 
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