Zupconite betting system 100 % profitable

[oildaytrader]

Scaling down game plan.

The up scaling involves increasing bet size ,by approximately 50 %.The maximum number of average consecutive losses is expected to go down to 7 consecutive losers .as result of improvements,from 12 average consecutive losses.The initial up scaling involves approximately 20 systems/software .

This is the game plan to down scale position size.The down scaling is done by offloading lot size /risk exposure to 80 other pieces software/systems.If a system reaches 5 consecutive losses,the betting size is redistributed to 10 systems/software out of a total of 100 systems/software.There will never be more than 5 consecutive losses as result of transferring risk..

This way the odds can be brought into trader's favour.This system will increase position size (semi martingale) and decrease position size by offloading risk /position size to other systems.

It can work .It is a complex system made easier by software.

I believe the returns will be far superior possibly around 70 % per annum, because almost every trade will be profitable after recovery of losses.The equity curve will look 45 degrees

Does any body have a betting formula to share?

 

[robster970]

Does any body have a betting formula to share?

Ask arabian - he's tried a couple out this week using the T2W ArabianSuperGrowthRoullette Fund he created on Monday. By all account's it's doing well.

 

[oildaytrader]

zupconite manual betting system made profit this week 250 points on demo testing.LOOKS GREAT

 

[GladiatorX]

Oildaytrader is just a plagiarist like me now; We can make our own club and everything ??????

The shame is; I'm not even sure i spelt plagiarist right and i'm not even going to google it to make myself look better. I'm such a failure.

 

[oildaytrader]

Oildaytrader is just a plagiarist like me now; We can make our own club and everything ??????

O D T is orignal,Mccoy and kosher.A real orignal piece of work.

The most sophisticated and most powerful trading system on earth is being developed,tested and traded.

Have a nice weekend

O D T

 

[DeadMoney]

Zupconite is a betting system and it makes everybody who uses it a winner.It can be traded manually,fully automated or semi automated.

Trader's will always make a profit by using it correctly.The Zupconite is a betting method of increasing trade size after every loss ,until it recovers all losses and gives a profit.

A gambler can go to the casino and double his bets ,until he recovers all losses and a profit,until the casino limits stop him from winning.There are no house limits in forex ,futures and shares trading.

Progressive betting is when traders increase lot size after every loss .They expect to recover the losses with the increased lot size,they keep increasing the lot size until they win and recover all previous losses.

Sophisticated betting system combining negative and positive progression will work in trading .It can be used on oil,dax ,currency pairs and stocks or similiar instruments

A simple example is increasing lot size by 50% after every losing trade.

The experiment trades on the attached report are done manually.The idea of the report is to show the concept.It is only a testing report of semi automated trading.Semi automated method uses manual entry selection,with Zupconite auto trader doing the trade management including entry,s/l,t/p and exit.

If a instrument has many consecutive losses ,recovery lots can be distributed to other instruments.Example if Oil had many consecutive losses,the position size on oil can be reduced by a quarter and three quarters used on three other instruments i.e euro/usd,dax or another currency.The opportunity is there to de scale position size to many other instruments.

Please do not discuss my own method except the general method.Please do not think it as martingale , as this is not martingale.Discuss the position size increase and decreasing method.

I have personal issues with this system, since I lost over $250,000 of real money with it.
200 tiny winners, one massive account crushing loser.

Hope your luck is a lot better than mine.

and buy the way, your odds of losing with this system are the same as without it.

 

[oildaytrader]

I have personal issues with this system, since I lost over $250,000 of real money with it.
200 tiny winners, one massive account crushing loser.

Hope your luck is a lot better than mine.

and buy the way, your odds of losing with this system are the same as without it.

Thank You dead money

Appreciate your post.

Most people misunderstand what I am trying to achieve.I am trying to achieve even distribution of losing trades and profitable trades using 50 % hit rate systems.This can be done by scaling up with semi martingale and scaling down with anti martingale.

To achieve it is not about being lucky, it is about doing the hard work of scaling up/down and getting reward.

The above is applied to the best automated systems of all with a hit rate of 50% plus

Hope you guys understand

O D T

 

[Jack Hughes]

Hope you guys understand

O D T

Sorry, no I don't, especially the bit about recovering losses.

 

[oildaytrader]

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[Jack Hughes]

wrong thread deleted

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[oildaytrader]

Sorry, no I don't, especially the bit about recovering losses.

If a bet of one lot is placed with a take profit of 30 and stop loss of 20 and trade becomes a loss trade , trader can apply a higher lot in the next trade to recover the losses of the first trade.

He has lost 20 points in first trade, to recover and make a profit ,he increases trade size of next trade by 50 % , lot size is increased to 1.50 .if trade is a win he will make 45 points , infact any profit above 20 points will have recovered his previous loss and give a profit.

O D T

 

[tomorton]

I am sure I don't like the principle involved - increasing position size to recover losses: this is exactly the same as enlarging a losing position. Increasing position size increases exposure = increasing risk. And if you were wrong about the TA on the first entry, what makes you think you would be right on the second or subsequent? Imagine yourself asking your bank to advance you a larger loan on the grounds that you lost the first one! That's not the greatest business plan.

You can't just tell the market that 'I need more than 20pts on this round trip please, to cover the losses I made on the last trade.' The market will give what it gives.

Your underlying principle seems to be that you feel you havge to identify a system that will allow profit from a 50% win rate or worse. If you can't find a system that will allow you consistently better than a 50% win rate, you are trying to answer the wrong question. I'm not saying that a 40% or 30% win rate can't be profitable, its just that finessing your position sizing and money management to ensure this is the wrong problem, the poor win rate should be addressed first.

 

[oildaytrader]

Your underlying principle seems to be that you feel you havge to identify a system that will allow profit from a 50% win rate or worse. If you can't find a system that will allow you consistently better than a 50% win rate, you are trying to answer the wrong question. I'm not saying that a 40% or 30% win rate can't be profitable, its just that finessing your position sizing and money management to ensure this is the wrong problem, the poor win rate should be addressed first.

Tomorton

I already have many systems ready and providing a 50 % hit rate already.My manual method provided me last week with a 66 % hit rate.

I use this betting method on mechanical systems ,infact they work much better on manual method because the brain can process dynamic formations/set ups better.

The problem is with mechanical systems , they often hit many consecutive losses, even though they have a 50 % strike rate and one win to one loss ratio .The problem is caused by distribution of losses and profits is not consistent.Some times I get 10 losses in a row and sometimes 10 profits in a row.

What I am trying to achieve is a more consistent distribution of losses and profits.I would ideally like a formula to have an even distribution of one loss followed by a profit , or a profit followed by a loss .Thats not possible and average of 1 profit to 3 losses or 3 losses to 1 profit ,is possible.I need you to give me that formula

 

[tomorton]

Still don't like the principle - for me, the time to increase your position size is when you have an edge, which reduces risk. Position size in principle should not be determined by your last trade / trades outcome / outcomes: the occurrence of a losing trade does not (adequately) reduce the risk that the next trade will also be a loser, and so on.

As far as the 75% win rate is concerned, leave that one with me and I will get back to you: I should have this by about the 30th February. ;-)

 

[oildaytrader]

Still don't like the principle - for me, the time to increase your position size is when you have an edge, which reduces risk. Position size in principle should not be determined by your last trade / trades outcome / outcomes: the occurrence of a losing trade does not (adequately) reduce the risk that the next trade will also be a loser, and so on.

As far as the 75% win rate is concerned, leave that one with me and I will get back to you: I should have this by about the 30th February. ;-)

Even if you have an edge ,the markets behave irrationally and bigger players may come in with a bigger edge.Even the edge does not work all the time , thereby giving consecutive losses.

It is very simple to get high hit rates at the expense of profitability, just reduce your targets.

O D T

 

[oildaytrader]

6. "Markets can remain illogical longer than you or I can remain solvent," according to our good friend, Dr. A. Gary Shilling. Illogic often reigns and markets are enormously inefficient despite what the academics believe.

http://www.dacharts.com/articles/_22rulestrading.htm

 

[oildaytrader]

We can devise gambling systems to the markets.We can employ rocket scientists to build systems with mathematical edge in trader's favour.We can clean the forex casino with our super zupconite

A system may give you an edge, but don't expect to win all the time.The big edge players will find a bigger edge to beat our method

Aiming to win to stay ahead at all times is our primary objective, even by a small margin, is a more realistic goal and a great achievement.

In markets using a system is no guarantee of winning, but a well devised trader's system The Zupconite can reduce your losses, increase your winnings and have a strategy that will give you an opportunity to be a winner.


We can all be the proud owners of this paradise

 

[montmorencyt2w]

We can all be the proud owners of this paradise

I think that's where that £70M rogue trader is hiding out. Either him or Wasp (unless it was Wasp).


I'm not sure if this thread can get any more surreal.

 

[oildaytrader]

I think that's where that £70M rogue trader is hiding out. Either him or Wasp (unless it was Wasp).


I'm not sure if this thread can get any more surreal.

You have made a mistake.

Look at the beautiful island we can own and those pets.Paradise here we come with the super duper Zupconite. Thats where wasp has his nest.

I reckon this new super Zupconite formulae can make 100% a year with low risk and high rewards.

 

[oildaytrader]

Here is a simple redistribution example for manual trader trading oil,dax ,10 different currency pairs and 20 stocks.

He uses a 50 % increase in lot size after every losing trade.Maximum allowed consecutive losses is 5.After 5 losses lot size is scaled down to other instruments.

The following would be his lot size

First trade 1.00
After 1 st loosing trade 1.50
After second loosing trade 2.25
After 3 rd losing trade 3.38
After 4 th loosing trade 5.06

After 5 loosing trades lot size is redistributed to 5 instruments @1.01 lots.Let us assume all other instruments have zero loosing trades.The first trade lot size on euro usd is now redistributed as follows

Euro/usd 1.01
Oil 2.01
Dax 2.01
Usd yen 2.01
Usd cad 2.01

This is based on the assumption t/p and s/l remain same.

The redistribution continues if any instrument reaches 5 consecitive losses

Just looking for the answer

A manual trader can pick and choose to increase decrease position and also delay,suspend and change lot sizes and t/p .He can also introduce other scaling tools to bring the odds in his favour

O D T