Why Germany Should Leave the Euro

[Fugazsy]

Oh come on! You being deliberately obtuse or what? Inbreeding has nothing to do with birth rates. Whether you breed with Chinese or Swedes birth rates are birth rates. They are absolute numbers of babies born.

You capiche?

What is wrong with your comprehension. I suggest you look at the definition of inbreeding. Look at it in as many languages as you want? Look it up in German or Swedish if it makes more sense to you? Please...

I'm afraid I only know English. I can use google translate if you let me know which bleeding language you'd like it in? (Oh dear, I've fouled the Queen's English. Sorry mi lady! )


I wasn't asking which country you wanted to live in mate. Your comprehension of the language is letting you down again. Perhaps it's me rushing.

Let me rephrase it;

I was expecting some genetic science on how you or one may explain Northern Europeans (your favoured culturally advanced countries) beating and sexually abusing women and you reply with some mamby bamby picture.



Nordic countries worst in EU for violence against women – survey

There are soooo many studies on violence against women in Sweden and they all tell the same story.

Sweden stands out in domestic violence study

Hate to ruin your perfect world Mr HHi but there you go...

Please let's have an educated and informed debate.

Perhaps you live under a bridge or something who knows???


By the way that guy in the picture looks like me when I was 20 something... AND my great great great ... grandfather was Chengiz Khan...

Bet you have a bit of him in you too :cheesy:



Apologies as I have nothing against Nordic countries and did go out for a while with a lovely au pair from Finland too. Also planning a Nordic cruise sometime but string of cruise accidents made family shy from the idea.

lol

 

[Splitlink]

I think you might be misunderstanding the test. It is a complete genome sequencing test. The genome scan shows all 3.1 billion base pairs comprising the entire genome. Your genome is compared with a control genome from the Human Genome Project. A U.S. funded study to map the entire human genome, which was completed in 2003. There is no need to corroborate the results. Your results will be unique, which goes without saying.

This is the NCBI ftp server where you can download sample genome and gene data. The files are quite big. You can download free software such as DNA 2.0 or cytoscape to run your test if you know how.

There is a Y chromosome DNA haplogroup tree map for use as comparison. It shows specifically where your ancestors were from based upon the haplogroups they belong to. For instance haplogroup I1 is for Scandinavia. This is link to the Y-DNA Haplogroup I and its Subclades - 2015.
http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpI.html

Y-DNA Haplogroup Tree 2015
www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_YDNATreeTrunk.html

Click for higher resolution

For instance the POMC.0001 is a variant primarily found in north western Europeans including England, Ireland and Scotland. The variant is responsible for red hair, freckles and pink undertones from low levels of eumelanin and high levels of phaeomelanin. Freckles are basically small accumulations of the melanin protein in melanocytes. All this is controlled by the POMC gene.

http://www.omim.org/entry/176830

I think that we all came out of the African jungle at some time, or other. I can't be bothered to check on how many cousins I have, now, let alone the ancestors that I had before my mother's birth, which was in 1888.

I came to visit Cataluña in 1965 and this is where I decided to hang my hat. The people are nice, which is good enough for me.

 

[Forexmospherian]

I think that we all came out of the African jungle at some time, or other. I can't be bothered to check on how many cousins I have, now, let alone the ancestors that I had before my mother's birth, which was in 1888.

I came to visit Cataluña in 1965 and this is where I decided to hang my hat. The people are nice, which is good enough for me.

Hi Split

Now I know you are another "Old Un" - like me - but I must be a "nipper" compared to you.

My Late Father was born 1912 and I came along approx 41 / 42 yrs later

Now if your mum had you late in her life - say even 42 yrs old - that would make you - what 85 yrs old - and still going strong ??

Maybe 65 will be too young to stop FX scalping - and I still got time to get married a couple more times maybe and then retire to somewhere warm - hopefully the South of France )

All the best to you

Regards


F

 

[Splitlink]

Hi Split

Now I know you are another "Old Un" - like me - but I must be a "nipper" compared to you.

My Late Father was born 1912 and I came along approx 41 / 42 yrs later

Now if your mum had you late in her life - say even 42 yrs old - that would make you - what 85 yrs old - and still going strong ??

Maybe 65 will be too young to stop FX scalping - and I still got time to get married a couple more times maybe and then retire to somewhere warm - hopefully the South of France )

All the best to you

Regards


F

My mother was 44 when I was born. That makes me 83.

 

[hhiusa]

I think that we all came out of the African jungle at some time, or other. I can't be bothered to check on how many cousins I have, now, let alone the ancestors that I had before my mother's birth, which was in 1888.

I came to visit Cataluña in 1965 and this is where I decided to hang my hat. The people are nice, which is good enough for me.

Suit yourself. Bury your head in the sand. Every race, country and region has gene-specific traits. Ignoring what makes us different will only hold you back.

Southern Europeans Have North African Genes
http://phys.org/news/2013-06-southern-europeans-north-african-genes.html

 

[Splitlink]

Suit yourself. Bury your head in the sand. Every race, country and region has gene-specific traits. Ignoring what makes us different will only hold you back.

Southern Europeans Have North African Genes
http://phys.org/news/2013-06-southern-europeans-north-african-genes.html

I'm not biting. Anything that is in my lineage is, now, a bit too late for me to do anything about---if I wanted to. From a medical point of view I can see the advantages.

 

[Atilla]

Suit yourself. Bury your head in the sand. Every race, country and region has gene-specific traits. Ignoring what makes us different will only hold you back.

Southern Europeans Have North African Genes
http://phys.org/news/2013-06-southern-europeans-north-african-genes.html

What do you mean by bury your head in the sand? I concur with Splitlink, it is not so much about ignoring as knowing ones immediate roots and moving forward.

How is one held back by what you are suggesting not knowing ones gene pool?

If I understand your theory and reasoning to maximise it's key point, one should ideally mix with ones immediate gene pool and that would be ones siblings.

However, this increases the probability of birth defects. So there is some profound medical inconsistency in what you are suggesting - assuming I've understood what you are stating.


Appreciate some medical issues can be inherited but outside of the basic science, what are the advantages and disadvantages?


Personally, I think social cohesion and common values are more important than gene pool. Relgion is also one of the big factors in determining those values and life styles imo.


Addenda:
I believe Germany has a diverse population base as the UK, France and most European countries. These factors have not held back either of these countries in their advance.

I also feel most of the differences between South and North Europe are more to do with basic weather and survival factors for the human species than gene pool.

 

[hhiusa]

What do you mean by bury your head in the sand? I concur with Splitlink, it is not so much about ignoring as knowing ones immediate roots and moving forward.

How is one held back by what you are suggesting not knowing ones gene pool?

If I understand your theory and reasoning to maximise it's key point, one should ideally mix with ones immediate gene pool and that would be ones siblings.

However, this increases the probability of birth defects. So there is some profound medical inconsistency in what you are suggesting - assuming I've understood what you are stating.


Appreciate some medical issues can be inherited but outside of the basic science, what are the advantages and disadvantages?


Personally, I think social cohesion and common values are more important than gene pool. Relgion is also one of the big factors in determining those values and life styles imo.


Addenda:
I believe Germany has a diverse population base as the UK, France and most European countries. These factors have not held back either of these countries in their advance.

I also feel most of the differences between South and North Europe are more to do with basic weather and survival factors for the human species than gene pool.

Red Queen Theory
The most obvious example of this effect are the "arms races" between predators and prey, where the only way predators can compensate for a better defense by the prey (e.g. rabbits running faster) is by developing a better offense (e.g. foxes running faster). In this case we might consider the relative improvements (running faster) to be also absolute improvements in fitness.

If you had a worse climate and less natural resources, you would have to work harder to survive. "Necessity is the mother of invention". When you live where the weather is warm all year, there is plenty to eat without having to go hunt, then you will progress slower. Atrophy happens in all facets of life. If you stop working out, then you lose muscle mass. No need to learn to how build shelter, then why would you bother and; thus not progress as quickly evolutionarily.

 

[Splitlink]

Hi hhiusa,

An interesting subject but is it relevant today? What is your driving point to this? My belief, which does not matter a damn to anyone on earth at this time is that, eventually. humanity will die out. We are a very self destructive species. Every living thing has suffered because of us.

The big step in human "progress" looks like genetic engineering. If you believe that genes have had an influence on human progress (which I believe is a fact, actually), don't worry about it. Someone in Oxford or Stanford will get to the bottom of it before long-if they haven't,by now. We have been eating genetic food for years, already. Soon, governments will be sending gene loaded wheat to impoverished parts of the world with all kinds of properties in it--none of it particularly good for the recipients, especially if they are potential enemies.

The mad doctors of Auschwitz have moved on.

 

[Fugazsy]

Good thread.

 

[Fugazsy]

Nope, Germany is the richest country in Europe and as such it would be Germany that would leave to alleviate financial pressure upon poorer countries. It will be called the Bundesrepublik of northern Europe using the mark. North against the south, where have I heard that before. The south will lose of course.

Yes, but the south will win at football, cuisine, love making and nell'arte del dolce far niente.

 

[Splitlink]

And so they should!

 

[Fugazsy]

You only get back what you pay for.....if you get my drift....

 

[hhiusa]

You only get back what you pay for.....if you get my drift....

Not hardly. taxpayers in the US pay a social security tax (going away soon) so that they get a certain amount back when they reach 65.5. However, if you make more than $97,000/year you wont get any more back than someone with a $97,000/year income even though you paid more SSI tax than them. Getting back what you paid for works only for the fiscally anorexic

 

[Fugazsy]

Not hardly. taxpayers in the US pay a social security tax (going away soon) so that they get a certain amount back when they reach 65.5. However, if you make more than $97,000/year you wont get any more back than someone with a $97,000/year income even though you paid more SSI tax than them. Getting back what you paid for works only for the fiscally anorexic

I was talking about football, cuisine, the art of love making and l'arte del dolce far niente.....I guess some will never get it....

 

[hhiusa]

I was talking about football, cuisine, the art of love making and l'arte del dolce far niente.....I guess some will never get it....

l'arte del dolce far niente. Wow you really are a socialist. The art of doing nothing, sounds like we have found out why the EU is having so much trouble.

 

[Fugazsy]

l'arte del dolce far niente. Wow you really are a socialist. The art of doing nothing, sounds like we have found out why the EU is having so much trouble.

You are too rigid kid, you have to learn to see further than you huge nose...I think you need a girlfriend.....If you have one already get another....if you do not like girls get a boy......

 

[hhiusa]

You are too rigid kid, you have to learn to see further than you huge nose...I think you need a girlfriend.....If you have one already get another....if you do not like girls get a boy.....

Lack of rigidity and structure may be why the EU is failing.

Viewed without Brussels’ standard issue rose tinted glasses, the EU looks to be in a shambles. An increasingly defeatist oligarchy is managing decline and ceding opportunity overseas. The EU is becoming uncompetitive with a southern fringe of bankrupt governments on life support so Germany can sell more BMWs. Germany leverages eurozone benefits while Brussels appears powerless to stop Berlin’s systematic trade surpluses, which ultimately threaten the euro as much as Mediterranean weakness. Europe continues to think and act like independent states, even the student generation enjoying Erasmus exchanges return home clearly appreciating separate national identity. Without the flawed notion of a single European identity, the Europhile dream has already failed.

 

[Fugazsy]

Lack of rigidity and structure may be why the EU is failing.

Viewed without Brussels’ standard issue rose tinted glasses, the EU looks to be in a shambles. An increasingly defeatist oligarchy is managing decline and ceding opportunity overseas. The EU is becoming uncompetitive with a southern fringe of bankrupt governments on life support so Germany can sell more BMWs. Germany leverages eurozone benefits while Brussels appears powerless to stop Berlin’s systematic trade surpluses, which ultimately threaten the euro as much as Mediterranean weakness. Europe continues to think and act like independent states, even the student generation enjoying Erasmus exchanges return home clearly appreciating separate national identity. Without the flawed notion of a single European identity, the Europhile dream has already failed.

Beside I agree with you about the above.

But regarding rigidity and structure needs to be blend with flexibility otherwise it will be a burden more than anything else.

 

[hhiusa]

Beside I agree with you about the above.

But regarding rigidity and structure needs to be blend with flexibility otherwise it will be a burden more than anything else.

Whatever requires the least effort seems to be raison d'être of the EU.