Why do brokers hate Americans?

[chilltrader]

If you had a gun would you go on a killing spree?

You don't know what you are talking about do you?

Do you know how many people get killed by gun crime in the US every year?

school/ college students, psychos, santa claus's(!), professors, shoppers etc going on a killing spree... so yes people CAN and DO go on a killing spree... having a more destructive weapon INCREASES the toll dramatically.

And that is just pre-meditated / intentional crime...

I won't even bother mentioning about 5 year olds "accidently" shooting their dad or moms head off... just because they had access to a gun..

Do you know how many people get killed by knife crime in the UK?
Now imagine allowing guns in the UK... what will happen to that number?

Think about it ....

 

[dilesh23]

before any one gets thrown out of the ballon heres a video promoting gun ownership by our american friends not saying its right but both sides of the argument should be heard!
YouTube - AMERICA WAKE UP!!!

 

[N Rothschild]

lol talking about twsting facts in your favour..so the holocaust happened because they didnt have guns?

 

[neil]

The Creationists will be along later to explain the meaning of life and things

 

[zupcon]

YouTube - Goldie Lookin Chain - Guns don't kill people

Guns dont kill people, rappers do

 

[dilesh23]

and then theres the views of chris rock ...

YouTube - chris rock on gun control

 

[Trader1UK]

HAHA.... Where are all our American friends? Any on this board?... lol

 

[hwsteele]

HAHA.... Where are all our American friends? Any on this board?... lol

The simple fact of the matter is guns don't kill people...bullets do!

Now I thought about saying something like:
The reason you don't have the right to have guns in the UK is because the last time they let people have that right they lost the 13 colonies. Or some other England bashing thing, but instead I will tell the honest truth.

The idea of people having the right to bear arms is to give them the right to protect them selves at the same level that they may be attacked on. Now when that right was first given there were no big bombs that can wipe out the world, but the idea still stands and is very valid. If you are on the wrong side of the law you will be able to get a gun. It does not matter if they are legal or not. If you are on the correct side of the law and you are not aloud to own a gun the bag guys have the upper hand.
This is the simple truth.

Some people will always go crazy and want to hurt others. Having a gun makes it easier for them to do so, but take my word on this, as I have seen it first hand, they don't have to have one to get the hate/harm across. Knives work wonders in hurting and killing people.

Have I seen gun violence? Yes I have and it is not pretty at all.
I have also seen knife violence and that gets even worse IMHO.
I have seen a man stabbed with a fork and I my self have been stabbed with a pencil.
The standard argument goes that because violence can be perpetrated with all of the above should they all be banned? The sane answer is: no of course not.

Crime and murder will always be with us and it does not matter what is or isn't banned.

All I can say is I'm glad I live in America and not the UK. I would love to come visit sometime, but would not want to live there. But then again with our new Socialist president we might not be too different soon.
Man just got Bush out of the picture and they give us Obama.

 

[N Rothschild]

if someone stabbed you with a pencil surely you would have had your trusty 9mm on you to blow him away? guns arnt the only way to defend yourself you know..and unless cival war happens to break out in the UK i see no real reason to warrant having one. the only reason you need a gun in America is coz every other ****er has one aswell..if you lived somewhere where people didn't have guns why would you need one..yes you can obtain an illigal firearm in the uk but i wonder what % of the population have firearms..its got to be TINY. god knows what it would be in america

 

[hwsteele]

if someone stabbed you with a pencil surely you would have had your trusty 9mm on you to blow him away? guns arnt the only way to defend yourself you know..and unless cival war happens to break out in the UK i see no real reason to warrant having one. the only reason you need a gun in America is coz every other ****er has one aswell..if you lived somewhere where people didn't have guns why would you need one..yes you can obtain an illigal firearm in the uk but i wonder what % of the population have firearms..its got to be TINY. god knows what it would be in america

I do have a quick question for you, and I am not trying to be mean or rude at all in asking it.
Why do you have the opinion about guns that you do?
Did you just always feel that way or did something happen that caused it?
Now this is the part that might offend...
Are you able to present your answer in a way that is not offensive, as in not insulting others, or are you just hot natured.

It is obvious that we are on two different sides of the fence with this one, so I will not insult you by trying to get you to think the way I do. That's not my way anyway. I simple state my point of view and then that's that. BUT that doesn't mean I don't want to understand why you feel the way you do.

 

[dcraig1]

I do have a quick question for you, and I am not trying to be mean or rude at all in asking it.
Why do you have the opinion about guns that you do?
Did you just always feel that way or did something happen that caused it?
Now this is the part that might offend...
Are you able to present your answer in a way that is not offensive, as in not insulting others, or are you just hot natured.

It is obvious that we are on two different sides of the fence with this one, so I will not insult you by trying to get you to think the way I do. That's not my way anyway. I simple state my point of view and then that's that. BUT that doesn't mean I don't want to understand why you feel the way you do.

Enough of the psycho babble. The evidence in Australia is very clear - since much tighter gun controls were introduced in the wake of the Port Arthur massacre, gun crime is significantly down and homicide by gunfire is significantly down. Suicide by gunfire is also much reduced.

No psychology required.

While it is certainly possible to get into strife on Australian streets, nobody worries about getting shot, either on the street or during a robbery. Which seems to me to be a desirable state of affairs.

 

[dick_dastardly]

Now I thought about saying something like:
The reason you don't have the right to have guns in the UK is because the last time they let people have that right they lost the 13 colonies.

but we do have the right to own guns. The laws regarding gun ownership are much more strict here than in the US but gun ownership is not banned.

dd

 

[hwsteele]

but we do have the right to own guns. The laws regarding gun ownership are much more strict here than in the US but gun ownership is not banned.

dd

Really? What kind of thing must be done to get one?

 

[hwsteele]

Enough of the psycho babble. The evidence in Australia is very clear - since much tighter gun controls were introduced in the wake of the Port Arthur massacre, gun crime is significantly down and homicide by gunfire is significantly down. Suicide by gunfire is also much reduced.

No psychology required.

While it is certainly possible to get into strife on Australian streets, nobody worries about getting shot, either on the street or during a robbery. Which seems to me to be a desirable state of affairs.

Not that I'm doubting what you're saying but what are the numbers? How much of a difference did it make? How long has it been like that? Oh and it's not phycho babble.

 

[dick_dastardly]

Really? What kind of thing must be done to get one?

I'm not really sure but a couple of my friends have them for clay pigeon shooting and for shooting game birds.

You have to apply for a licence and I think you have to meet certain criteria like installing storage facilities that meet minimum standards and obviously you can't have a criminal record.

dd

 

[hwsteele]

I'm not really sure but a couple of my friends have them for clay pigeon shooting and for shooting game birds.

You have to apply for a licence and I think you have to meet certain criteria like installing storage facilities that meet minimum standards and obviously you can't have a criminal record.

dd

So they have shotguns then?
What about hand guns?
I tried shooting some crab apples once along time ago with a friends shotgun. I missed all but two I think. He would stand behind me and throw them in the air. He was a much better shot than me. In fact he told me that if I wanted to keep shooting I either needed to get better at it and hit the cab apples, or pay for my own ammunition.

 

[N Rothschild]

I do have a quick question for you, and I am not trying to be mean or rude at all in asking it.
Why do you have the opinion about guns that you do?
Did you just always feel that way or did something happen that caused it?
Now this is the part that might offend...
Are you able to present your answer in a way that is not offensive, as in not insulting others, or are you just hot natured.

It is obvious that we are on two different sides of the fence with this one, so I will not insult you by trying to get you to think the way I do. That's not my way anyway. I simple state my point of view and then that's that. BUT that doesn't mean I don't want to understand why you feel the way you do.

read up, i was involved in one of the school masacres that happend over here in the UK.

tbh i see both sides to the argument, my point is if every person in america didnt have a gun, would you feel the need to have one? now knife crime in the UK is pritty bad..but could you imagine if everyone was carrying firearms instead of knives?

a gun in the hands of a lunatic is a scary thing, and if you can make it difficuilt for people to obtain firearms then much less likely for these things to happen. last masacre in the uk (if im not mistaken) was 13years ago..hasnt been one since firearms were clamped down on. unfortunately it seems a common event in america which is awfull

 

[N Rothschild]

to get a shotgun you need to apply for a liscence from the police, have references to show your an upstanding character etc, no history of depression etc etc, secure place to keep it (locked gun safes) and a reason to have it. now to get a rifle is a whole different kettle of fish...much much harder.

just to add im not anti guns in general, i like shooting. im anti semi and full auto weapons being available to the public (hand guns etc) as there is no valid reason for it.

 

[Trader1UK]

You Americans are just full of Sh*t....

"We have the right to defend ourselves"
"We have the right to protect ourselves"
"We have the right to own arms"
"We have the right for freedom"
"We have the right to rage war"
"we have the right to YADA YADA YADA..."

You know what, stick it where the sun doesnt shine... You useless pieces of crap.

We dont have gun craze in the UK like you losers, and we dont want to... Youre all just in denial with your patriotism.. Fakoff.

 

[BigDrew]

Swimming pools kill far more kids than guns

This thread seem to have gone a bit off-topic....

but swiming pools do kill more kids than guns - about 100 times more.

Read the stats. (Steve Levitt, the Freakonomics guy, cites a few studies)
Maybe we should ban swimming pools, damn killers of kids.

Cigarettes in the UK contribute directly to 110 000 deaths every year. That's one Airbus A340 a day crashing. That should make the news, but people gasping to death doesn't make good headlines. Not gory enough.


Guns can kill people. Cars kill more people. Peanuts kill more people in the UK than illegal guns and knife attacks. Let's ban peanuts, or maybe exile any kid with a peanut allergy to improve the health service stats.


One of the lowest crime countries in the world is Switzerland. Probably also the highest proportion of gun-owning households in the world is.... Switerland (every male has to do national service, every male who is below a certain age who has completed national service, needs to keep their weapon at home) If you knew I was armed and trained would you mess with me?

A lot of Texans are really polite. A lot of Texans carry guns, concealed, legally. There is a very low incidence of crime in those counties in Texas where gun ownership is less restricted.

Some lobby groups in the US got a few counties of another state to become gun-free. The number of victims of violent crime increased sharply.
blah blah blah ... we can make a case for anything. Just like trading

Cause and effect is more difficult to pin down than we like to think.

I am just grateful that my parents were safety conscious and that growing up in a hot country (South Africa) we had no swimming pool. Only guns, which we were taught to use and respect from a very young age. And then they were locked away in a safe. Which is where they are best kept unless you have a reason to keep them more accessible, like if some idiot who is also armed has less emotional control and wants something you've got.

It would be great if there were no guns. But you'd get a sinking feeling in your tummy if you turned up to a gunfight with a pointed stick.

But like the NRA bumper sticker says 'If guns are outlawed then only outlaws will have guns'. Given the choice between relying on a UK community police officer, armed to the teeth with a walkie talkie , to defend me against a few knife-toting lager-fueled yobs , or being allowed by law to defend myself and loved ones, I'd be happy to fall back on my own resources if I were allowed them. (different subject altogether, but if someone comes into my house uninvited, with evil intent, the law should fall completely on my side and I should be allowed to deal with the intruder any way I see fit. .....

No wonder the pound is heading south