Useful things I've found on the Net.

Here's something good. This guy has a very good read on Support and Resistance but doesn't require the typical price action we see with pin bars etc. I like his style:

Here are his top five from his blog:

A good friend of mine called me over the weekend and explained that he wanted to start trading, and was looking for some basic advice. In our relatively brief conversation, I covered several major topics, so I thought I would share them here. I could have talked to him for days about the thousands of ideas and issues we cover here on a regular basis, but I instinctively selected the below items, I assume, because I view them as the most relevant. I’ve either appropriately or inappropriately entitled this article “My Top 5” because these are the items which flowed most naturally when asked for advice. In the order in which I spoke, here they are:

Learn to be a Position Trader

The first thing I told him was to learn to be a position trader (leaving positions open for several days to weeks/months). I told him that by doing this, he learns two absolutely essential things: to control his risk, and focus on the information that really matters in the currency market. If you learn those things, I said, trading on an intraday basis becomes much, much easier. If you have a good handle of the macroeconomic environment, and what’s truly driving investor sentiment, intraday scalps will cause you very little worry. Nothing gives you more confidence than your ability to score 500 pips on a single trade.

Counter to this, I told him that one of the biggest makes people make when they first start out trading is that they focus on miniscule moves of several ticks at a time which usually develop into massive losses. They become ‘hard-wired’ to this particular way of trading, and it usually ends up devastating them in the end. I said “They don’t understand what’s really moving the market or the value in basic fundamental analysis. It trains them to use ridiculous leverage when what they should really be doing is first learning to trade profitably then raising more capital to trade with profitably, instead of trying to turn 10k into 10mm. People, you will find, are very willing to give you their money if you’re making 20% a year after fees. Trust me. It comes. Billionaires don’t become billionaires because they ‘organically’ took 10k and turned it into a billion. Other people’s money always comes along the way.”

The Plan

The second thing I told him was to make a list of rules and stick to them. This is basic, and you hear it all the time, but I have a slightly different interpretation of the relevance of this, I believe. If things don’t line up, simply don’t trade. Your planned trades are the ones that always bring in the bigger money. Patience, and waiting for the right ones, are key, as we’ve discussed many times. And when that magical moment arrives where all conditions line up and the perfect entry is staring you in the face, by all means take it. Eventually, they come. Eventually being the key word, here. Staring at a chart and saying “I should have taken that one” or “I can’t believe I missed that” will get you nowhere. You didn’t get in for a reason. There are just as many times I could have stared at a chart and seen winners I should have taken versus trades that would have turned into losers. Not to mention any of the money management disasters which could have occurred along the path.

Most traders, especially in the retail environment, don’t have a written plan. I’ve found the most valuable thing that has come out of my writing a trading plan is not just the plan itself but the realization of all of the things that go into making a trade. Trading is a complex process. There are just as many short term implications which need to be taken into account as there are longer term. Risk management, selection of the right pivot levels, investor sentiment, capital flows, profit management, etc., are just the beginning of a long list of topics that go into hitting “buy” or “sell”. Writing a plan usually opens up the eyes of any trader and makes him or her realize all of the implications of what it is they’re really doing. Sitting down at the computer and executing an order doesn’t make you a trader. My one year old nephew could do that. It’s everything else that really matters.

Keep an Open Mind

“Anything can happen, at any point in time”, I told my friend. Particularly in volatile environments, things can turn dramatically in the blink of an eye, so it’s important to visualize all possible outcomes of what could happen next. Becoming too rigid, or stuck to an idea which is clearly fading away tends to paralyze a trader and force a lack of reality on their actual trading.

Charts are merely a visual output of all of the thousands of factors combined in a given instrument. Visualizing different variations of price action is important for any trade, as it removes any of the “shock value” when things don’t play out in the exact manner you visualized. It keeps you flexible, nimble, and able to react to a variety of different conditions.

Most traders “see” price doing once certain thing when they take a trade, and block out all of the other possibilities. I’m a very visual person in general, which could be a reason I find it easy to identify key areas sometimes. But most importantly, I force myself to visualize all possible scenarios of what future price could look like. And I’m not just referring to price moving higher or lower. It can move sideways, a little higher, then lower, than higher again, consolidate for a little bit, then spike up, and then spike down, etc. The list is endless, but at the end of the day I’m simply keeping an open mind of major possibilities which could result due to any number of different factors.

The Most Obvious Thing to Do

This week I signed up to CNBC’s Million Dollar Portfolio Challenge; I figured it wouldn’t hurt to try it out. The worst that could happen is that I don’t actually make a half a million dollars and get 10 free hours on a private jet. So I immediately bought 4 ETFs and allocated 100% of my available cash to them: SH (Short S&P 500), DOG (Short Dow 30), PSQ (Short QQQ) and DRR (double short EUR). This isn’t a lesson is horrendous disregard for portfolio diversification (needless to say I was was swinging for the fence here on fake money) or to pat me on the back for calling the right shots here (though I’ll admit my portfolio is on steroids right now) as much as it is a blatant realization of what’s going on out there, and how important it is to always remain on the right side of the most obvious conditions.

In my daily overview of the market and planning process, I keep in mind one thing that seems to keep me alive: “What’s the easiest thing to do here, what makes the most sense, and don’t forget, Steve, if you go against it you’re at a much greater risk of taking a loss”. Simple. Keeping with this trend has been the easiest shot throughout, and as the bad news pours on day over day, its no wonder the stock market is tanking and bringing everything along with it. Always keep the big picture in mind, and never forget it.

Also, on an intraday basis, some trades are so obvious, so clear, it seems you would be foolish not to take them. But you don’t, whether it be a fear of drawdown due to overleveraged or any other number of different factors. Be smart, control yourself and take the obvious ones when they’re there. The agony of not taking a trade you plainly should have can be a lot more painful than taking an actual loss.

Losing and Winning Streaks

The final thing I told him was that, if you, by any chance, get on a losing streak, stop trading altogether, take some time off so you can go back in and think clearly. Losers tend to lead to more losers, and I like to think of it as a virus. It just keeps on growing unless you give yourself some rest and medicine to knock it out. A winning streak can do the same to you. There have been many times in my career where I have simply stopped trading for a few days or weeks just to get my head cleared out of any emotional nonsense which is blocking my way to success. It happens to all traders at one point or another, and many, I know, usually end up calling it quits for at least a few days.

A big mistake many traders make is that they keep on plugging away, causing them to force trades, or take those that they wouldn’t normally take if they were in the right frame of mind. The best trades I have ever taken have come when I am calm, cool, and have a clear head. The worst trades I have taken have always followed previous losers that just didn’t work out as planned. This pattern is more predictable than anything I know of. I’m very cautious to get caught up in it.


From Steve W.
 
How To Become Profitable 101

Basis :

-The market have random movement as well as non-random movement.

-Random movement kills traders. Therefore, to succeed, one has to find and trade non-random movement.

Tradeable Movement :

-Price bouncing off Support/Resistance

-Breakout from Support/Resistance

-Retracements?? (Temporary pullbacks from the prevailing trend, tradeable?)

System :

-Have exact rules for entering and exiting each Sup/Res trades. Know exactly one's Take Profit point and Cut Loss point.

-Have exact rules to reverse trade. Eg, Sup/Res bounce => Breakout

-Add position sizing rules.

Identifying Sup/Res :

-Sup/Res can only be determined after corresponding price movement. Eg. A breakout is only a breakout when it breaks out. ;-)

-Keep to right side of the trend by waiting patiently for the bounce or breakouts instead of anticipating. Eg. A support is not a support until it the price gets supported and rebounce.

-Volume gives a clue to whether the Support/Resistance will be cause price to bounce or fall thru but requires confirmation from the price action itself.

Regarding Volume :

-Volume analysis only works with price confirmation.

Example -

High volume on Long Down Candle in the middle of a downtrend -> Could be selling exhaustion, could be selling strength. Need price confirmation.

Low Volume on Short Down Candle (Doji etc) in the middle of a downtrend -> Could be lack of selling pressure, could be selling pressure resting during consolidation. Need price confirmation.

-Volume + Price analysis can be use to manage and confirm trades.

Example -

High Volume on Short Candle (Doji etc) when price approaches a previous Support Level after bouncing off Resistance -> Could be high buying pressure due to support. Need price confirmation. But once price start to rebounce with strong volume & perhaps corresponding candlestick pattern, time to Long?

A very overlooked but very very useful use of Volume which was never mentioned in any part of this thread here or at ET :

ES trading volume tells us when to stop trading because of the lack of movement during lunch hour! Near lunch hour + volume drop to a trickle = time for lunch! :D[/QUOTE]
 
Moving Averages (not)

I've got the flu. So I don't feel like trading (taken two, one a small loser, the other a big winner and now my arms are crawling and my ear hurts). Here's the disadvantage of living at Surfer's Paradise: I said to myself, well at least it can't be the Mexican porcine flu because I don't know anyone who's been to Mexico recently, but, damn it, when I had coffee at the new wing of the Mall last weekend or went to the new Borders that pretty senorita who sneezed next to me might have been from Mexico. Damn. Well, enough whinging. Here are some of my own observations. The first two are from another thread and the last is a bit of thought about volume.




Wilders smoothing is just a twist on the way that the number entered generates an exponential ma ... I feel he was cheating to get his name on one.

You forgot the tight filters: T3, Hull, and Jurik.
And what about the lsma that isn't really a moving average but a moving projection.

Hmmm. It is true that the simple moving average is actually a moving average but being realistic, many of the others are not averages at all. They are misnamed. More people are lying to traders!

What they all are in fact is low pass filters. And this awareness is what allowed people like Hull and Jurik and Tilson to say, if they are low pass filters and their primary purpose is thus to smooth at the high frequency components of price with as little lag as possible then why don't we ignore this average stuff and use our electrical engineering knowledge to build the smartest low pass filter we can.

Currently first prize goes to Jurik ... but the T3 and Hull are free so they are more popular.



Other people, like myself, say "the averaging and the filtering are not the good thing." The good thing is that mas function as lazy trendlines ... they are moving supply lines, moving support and resistance. For this function we don't need low lag, what we want is the mas where price bounces at various stages of trend development. And thus we want the mas that the most people are watching.

This makes the most popular mas:
8 emas and 20/21 emas on short timeframes
20 ems and smas on long timeframes.
50 and 200 smas on long timeframes.

And for people like us (too lazy to draw a trendline or a channel) then these most popular mas are clearly the best :)




i think there is an important distinction between the OP's use of MAs to identify Trends, and your use of them as self-fulling-prophecy S&R lines.

Yes. Although the oft used description of mas as "self-fulling-prophecy S&R lines" is a little deceptive and gives them less credit than they should get. dbp was particularly strong on this and I feel it was a form of blindness on his part.

The key thing to these possible forms of support and resistance is that they are "others-fulfilling S&R lines." What I mean by that is that despite the religious devotion often given to some types by some people every form of S&R is simply "others fulfilled" when it works or "others not fulfilled" when it breaks.

So I'd include horizontal zones, mas, trendlines, channels, and fibs in these groups. The more people who see them and use them then the more the S&R is likely to hold. I know that there is some very old writing on horizontal s&r that discusses people in a loss, getting out at point x etc etc - but really, all that adds up to is an additional audience and thus more "others fulfillment" for that form.

Personally on the short timeframes I trade (1m) I'm too damned lazy to use anything but horizontal and ma s&r. Or maybe I'm too damned slow. Hell, why would a croc add a lot of extra stuff if they can see and feel their prey?
But if I get around to daily trades on forex I plan to look for confluence of horizontal (bows head slightly), ma, channel and fibs. And what's more I'll look for PA at the SR too - price rejection forms like pins and railway tracks.

Hell, I'd love to be big enough for my MAs to be self-fulfilling.


And I'll post the thing about volume later ... i found something cool ... an indicator that has some value and isn't an ma!!!
 
I've got the flu. So I don't feel like trading (taken two, one a small loser, the other a big winner and now my arms are crawling and my ear hurts). Here's the disadvantage of living at Surfer's Paradise: I said to myself, well at least it can't be the Mexican porcine flu because I don't know anyone who's been to Mexico recently, but, damn it, when I had coffee at the new wing of the Mall last weekend or went to the new Borders that pretty senorita who sneezed next to me might have been from Mexico. Damn. Well, enough whinging.

Sounds like you have Man Flu, Nine. Feel better soon.
 
Yeah, if it was MexiFlu I should be flat on my back. Well one trade for the afternoon session and I'm going to take a break till tomorrow. I love HSI.

Anyway, about volume.

I've never known anything to confuse people (me included) like volume. Lets not even talk about forex volume. A huge part of the problem is the meaning assigned to volume. What is the meaning of high volume?

Simple: high volume means that there was a dispute between people who thought the market should go up and people who thought it should go down. So we get a fight, volume goes up, and something happens.

Well frequently what happens is that someone like you or me tries to figure out what it means. Or someone tries an indicator like OBV that weights movement by bar volume instead of bar size.

But its not what happens at the time the volume is printed that matters. What you say? Yes, its not what happens during the fight that matters ... sure one side will seem to win the bar (high or low close) but its not this bar that matters ... we want to know who won the battle not who was limping the least when the skirmish was over.

What matters is what happens in the bars after the volume is printed. So, if I see a bar with high volume as price moves up and then the next bar goes a tiny bit past and then the next bar starts to lose I know that the sellers might have let the bar close high but they won the battle. While if price continues to rise the buyers won the battle.

How does that change an indicator for the better? Well I took the OBV and instead of comparing this bars parameters or the last with this bar I decided to create a super lagging OBV. I compared the Avg of the HLavg price X bars later with the price at the close of the bar with the volume. Possibly I should have just used HLavg for both this bar and the later Avg of HLavg but even so it makes for some interesting pictures.

So here they are but bear in mind that you don't get a print until 5 bars later ... so although you might say "I got a huge volume" and price is moving lower so the OBV5 is going to go down you don't know for certain until the 5th bar.

The OBV in the price region is normal OBV. The OBV over volume is new version.

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Now, I don't want to suggest that anyone trades with indicators, I was simply looking for a way to illustrate that it's what happens after the skirmish that gives you a clue to who actually won the battle.

Hope that helps someone who's struggled with volume. :)
 

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What matters is what happens in the bars after the volume is printed. .....

I was simply looking for a way to illustrate that it's what happens after the skirmish that gives you a clue to who actually won the battle.

Hope that helps someone who's struggled with volume. :)

excellent 9 !
 
I've got the flu. So I don't feel like trading (taken two, one a small loser, the other a big winner and now my arms are crawling and my ear hurts). Here's the disadvantage of living at Surfer's Paradise: I said to myself, well at least it can't be the Mexican porcine flu because I don't know anyone who's been to Mexico recently, but, damn it, when I had coffee at the new wing of the Mall last weekend or went to the new Borders that pretty senorita who sneezed next to me might have been from Mexico.


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For all the work you do for us I made some effort and here is how you can cash in on your porko flu :)

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and here about the new drug - to protect your mighty brain

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my gf s coughing and sneezing since friday - psychoza :(
 
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LOL blancspa ... don't count on Tamiflu though ... it was widely used last year and damn near useless against the normal Flu A this year.
 
LOL blancspa ... don't count on Tamiflu though ... it was widely used last year and damn near useless against the normal Flu A this year.

Yep, just listening to the funny story how Bush administration made Japanese gov to stock up on Tamiflu 2 years ago - and how the drug has been linked in Japan with increasing suicide rate.... btw anyone heard of the new US currency - amero (or something) ?
 
Thanks jmarkham ... also if you become an ff member your calendar will be in your time zone.

Just a note: To my surprise I discovered that my new OBV included a mistake.

OBV compares the last price on the bar with the volume with the last price on the one before.

I thought I was comparing the price of later bars with the open of the price with the volume ... that way, the rise in volume during the bar with volume would add to the OBV9. But I wasn't, I was using the close. So what it was saying was ... here's a bar with high volume (the skirmish) ... now look at what happens to price after the skirmish has been finished so the skirmish is actually ignored.

I experimented with starting from the open and it actually works better with the close so the mistake seems to be serendipitous.

Interpretation: The big boys have a fight over a bar and get filled. The apparent winner of the fight isn't the issue - its the guy who walks away better in 3-5 bars time. So you start by measuring bloody noses at the end of the fight and the winner is the one who heals fastest not the one who looks better compared with how they started the fight.

(Yes, I know, an analogy way too far).
 
This is something that I posted on another board ... and may not make complete sense ... but work at it. I reposted it here when someone was suggesting taking Pins (Price Action) without Support and Resistance (total = PASR). I'm putting it in here because I like it but also because I missed one part of why PASR is better than just entering at SR. Hopefully it fits into the useful category.



The funny thing about PASR is that people seem to have trouble with both PA and SR. I liked Strat's post on hammers and I thought I'd share a couple of other views that might help someone to see it.

First, my own view comes from years of trading pullbacks where I decide on the probable trend then wait for price to pull back (which increases liquidity for a further move) and then continues. What one is looking for in this type of trading is a micro-version of the big PASR.

a) You want probable support for the pullback - and the SR part could come from the high that price just broke out of or from earlier swings back. Once you have a zone then you have a good probability that if you get PA then you will be rewarded for taking the bet.

b) Then you want an indication that this SR will hold and the trend will resume. SR alone gives you X% chance of resumption and some people will trade that. SR + PA gives you X+Y% chance and thats what Strat is suggesting you wait for.

c) As well as giving you an increased probability that the bounce will work its also worth remembering that good PA will give you a valid stop - it lets you know where you are wrong.

When you have SR you know that the big boys will be thinking "here's where its worth getting in again so we'll start buying as it approaches SR." And some of them will. But until the PA is formed you don't know whether the buyers are winning over the sellers. When the PA is finished then everyone (good pa can be seen by most people) will be saying "the buyers are winning" so everyone will see that, if they want to get back into the trend they have to start buying now. Hence the momentum.

So I am looking for something that shows that price rejected prices below support. It could be a hammer, a doji, a pinbar, or it could be a test and then a retest.

But first comes a zone where "everyone" can see that price is likely to stop and move away. That gets buying from some. Then comes PA that shows that the buying has been happening and it seems to be winning over selling. And that gets commitment from others. And the clearer the PA, the more people know that they have to get in now or miss out ... and you get support from all those buyers.

Anyway - that's my view of why what Strat is teaching is worth learning.


For another view, from an excellent article from a professional trader, Tim Morge, where he talks about price rejection ... this is a compressed firefox document from Morge on PA at SR

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Quote "Personally on the short timeframes I trade (1m) I'm too damned lazy to use anything but horizontal and ma s&r. Or maybe I'm too damned slow. Hell, why would a croc add a lot of extra stuff if they can see and feel their prey?"

What dont you do position trading then , ever heard of 3 ducks ?;)
 
Nine, thanks for the sharing... Could you please help me with the "bleeding noses" metaphor. I too have similar metaphor to help bring sense into price jiggling...

I can sensibly explain how that would happen on a single asset instrument (like individual stocks). However my real struggle is to explain how that can happen in index futures.

I assume the futures somehow track the underlying (more or less, for instance S&P future cannot be in countertrend with the underlying by say 100 points, or can it?). Also I do not think that it is possible to organise movement of the index by moving its largest constituents (or is it?)...

And yet I often have same feeling that is buying/selling in some parts of S&P is organised in orderly manner....

My main struggle is - can it be explained or am I being paranoid?
 
I'm not sure I know where the bleeding noses metaphor is but perhaps this post by xxxskier in an excellent thread over at ET is addressing some of your questions:

"this is a good thread, similar to my line of thinking.

i am an early user of market delta with ES (about 4 years now) and have been through various "phases" of how i use it. for example, i used to use it to "fade" what looked liked little trends within larger trends. but for whatever reason, the past 1-2 years that strategy became less successful.

my current style of trading (which has been very successful) is to try and identify the initiative buying/selling and then go with the momentum if i believe and/or think i can identify what the big players are doing and how they seem to be doing it. . to do this i use cum delta, composite MPs (merging days together) for the longer term view and my version of a T&S.....one filtered for large lots compared to a T&S that is not filtered.

in general if i see a trend with initiative activity i will try to "follow the trend"....or at least hop on for a ride. when i'm wrong it's often because i wasn't paying enough attention to other factors such as various internals i watch.

at times, i will not "go with the immediate trend" if i don't see support in the internals moving in the same direction.

one thing that i learned the hard way (and this is why i changed how i use market delta a few years ago) is that in ES you have to remember that there are many different players with different motivations, different goals, and different styles. just to name a few there are directional players, pure speculators, inst. hedgers, retail "hope and pray" types, and others. they don't all enter a trade the same way and they don't all exit a trade the same way. some scale in and others go all in, some scale out and others scale out, some prefer to use resting orders (limit orders) on entry and/or exit... and others prefer to act fast and lift offers and hit bids.... and some are simply testing price levels to see what type of activity occurs at that level....and there are floor traders trading the Big S&P contract that sometimes "get out" or flatten using the emini.....plus many others players and styles.

so i guess my point after all that rambling is this....you can never be certain if delta accurately reflects the intention of the big players. and don't forget, then there is the situation where lots of little players can absorb what a few big players are doing and push it the other way. in other words, green delta does not always mean "buying" and ES will go up and red delta does not always mean "selling" with ES going down.

for me, i have to look beyond ES at other market factors to help me determine whether this is the case or not on any given day.

i like this thread a lot, but i just look at things a bit differently."


from Inventory Grab Alert
 
nine said:
So you start by measuring bloody noses at the end of the fight
That was in yours post #152...

Yes thank you for the citing. However I am very interesting to know your personal opinion as I understand you trade/traded indicies (HSI?)...

Is it possible to move an index? Would you trade with consideration that it can be moved?

Thanks again
 
That's quite neat. I've read about this stuff before, but it seemed more complicated. I found that quite straightforward.

However, I wonder, at least in that simple example, if it boils down to the same as the 61% Fibonacci retracement? Looked a bit that way.
 
That's quite neat. I've read about this stuff before, but it seemed more complicated. I found that quite straightforward.

However, I wonder, at least in that simple example, if it boils down to the same as the 61% Fibonacci retracement? Looked a bit that way.

the thing which interests me more is when they form so called "energy points", sort of thing I have come across before drawing lines on oscillators, and how is that valid?
 
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