Ukraine invasion

And for entertainment purposes, here is a list of some of the other nuclear weapons threats from the "calm and collected" Russian leadership.
R_L,
If one compares the collective leadership of the west with that of Russia, then Putin and the Kremlin are the ones who - in my opinion - appear calm and rational, while Biden, Blinken and Sullivan et al appear desperate, dangerous and deluded. If you want to try to convince me that I have this ar$e about face - I'm all ears!

You'll need to start by explaining what useful purpose is served by firing long range missiles into Russia and how it benefits Ukraine and the U.S. and, secondly, why declaring war with a nuclear power as strong as you (which is effectively what you're doing) is a logical and judicious thing to do.
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Tim.

Below i a link to an excellent interview with Dr. Gilbert Doctorow, which includes a cracking little speech by President elect Trump who echoes many of the points made on this thread for the past two years or more by those of us on the right side of the argument. Enjoy . . .

 
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Putin signs law allowing a nuclear strike: Kremlin leader lowers threshold for justifying nuke launch amid growing WW3 fears as Ukraine fires US-made ATACMS into Russia for first time​

Ukraine fires first US-made missile into Russia: WW3 fears as Kremlin threatens 'nuclear response' if long-range Western weapons are used on its territory​

Russia's nuclear rhetoric won't dent UK support for Ukraine - PM​

 
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. . . And another interview, this time with Prof. Jeffrey Sachs, who is especially unimpressed with Biden and his administration's foreign policy!

 
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Fact check: Is Putin threatening to use nuclear weapons?​

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Videos of President Vladimir Putin allegedly showing his reaction to US President Joe Biden's announcement on the use of US missiles against targets within Russian territory are circulating on social media.

Petraeus: US would destroy Russia’s troops if Putin uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine​

This article is more than 2 years old: Sun 2 Oct 2022 19.56 BST
Former CIA director and retired army general says Moscow’s leader is ‘desperate’ and ‘battlefield reality he faces is irreversible’

Putin's nuclear weapons are redundant with Ukraine allowed to use US Atacms in Russia​

Putin Is Using Nuclear Threats to Play With Our Fears, Says German FM​

“Putin is playing with our fear," Baerbock said. “He didn’t just start doing this 1,000 days ago. He started back in 2014. And Germany in particular made the mistake back then, especially politically, of allowing itself to be intimidated by this fear and, above all, not listening to its partners, especially our Eastern European partners, who made it clear at the time: We must not rely on promises from the Kremlin. We must invest in our own security and protection.”
 
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Russia’s new nuclear doctrine (KEY POINTS)

Kremlin urges foreign nations to study Russia’s new nuclear doctrine





Major general: Ukraine to launch ATACMS missiles to hit Russian cities
See more at https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/161210-ukraine-atacms-missiles/

Zelensky rules out election again


Most Ukrainians now want quick end to war – poll

 
If one compares the collective leadership of the west with that of Russia, then Putin and the Kremlin are the ones who - in my opinion - appear calm and rational, while Biden, Blinken and Sullivan et al appear desperate, dangerous and deluded. If you want to try to convince me that I have this ar$e about face - I'm all ears!

You'll need to start by explaining what useful purpose is served by firing long range missiles into Russia and how it benefits Ukraine and the U.S. and, secondly, why declaring war with a nuclear power as strong as you (which is effectively what you're doing) is a logical and judicious thing to do.
Including the most recent nuclear threat where Russia effectively declares war on NATO,
Under the changes, a large attack on Russia with conventional missiles, drones or aircraft could meet the criteria for a nuclear response, as could an attack on Belarus or any critical threat to Russia's sovereignty.

Any aggression against Russia by a state which is a member of a coalition would be seen by Moscow as aggression from the whole group.
plus the list in my previous post, I counted 75 times where Russia threatened to use nuclear weapons. This shows who is really "desperate, dangerous and deluded," and it is from the same side that needed to get help from North Korea to try to save part of its territory.

The firing of long range missiles at military targets in Russia is a way to help Ukraine keep control of the Russian territory in the Kursk Oblast for a better negotiating position after Trump inevitably stops aid to Ukraine early in his term.


And by the way, there is a possibility Trump might be able to have the U.S. leave NATO,
so you might want to brush up on your Russian since the Russians in the UK might need to call on their homeland for protection.;)
 
Including the most recent nuclear threat where Russia effectively declares war on NATO,
Hi R_L,
You appear not to be able to distinguish between words and actions. Saying something is one thing, taking direct military action is another matter entirely. Russia may have threatened nuclear war (in response to military action by an adversary), but it's the U.S. who is taking deliberate physical steps to make it happen. The former is rhetoric and, in itself, largely harmless; the latter is madness and potentially catastrophic.

plus the list in my previous post, I counted 75 times where Russia threatened to use nuclear weapons. This shows who is really "desperate, dangerous and deluded," and it is from the same side that needed to get help from North Korea to try to save part of its territory.
Please explain the difference between an alliance between Russia and North Korea Vs Ukraine and NATO? If you're going to criticize the former, then please show consistency and apply the same metric to the latter, otherwise it smacks of: 'it's okay if we do it, but it's not okay for you to do it'. Btw, Russia doesn't need the North Koreans, they want to be involved as a way of showing solidarity and commitment to the Russians and to gain military experience. And it has the added benefit of putting the wind up the collective west - and you it would seem! Besides, Ukraine has all but lost control of the Kursk region: it's yet another military disaster. This was the case long before the arrival of the North Koreans. The Ukrainian forces that remain are largely cut off and basically have two choices: surrender or be killed.

The firing of long range missiles at military targets in Russia is a way to help Ukraine keep control of the Russian territory in the Kursk Oblast for a better negotiating position after Trump inevitably stops aid to Ukraine early in his term.
Firing missiles into Russia does the exact opposite of what you outline as it will make the Russians even more determined to continue with their military operation and far less likely to be conciliatory at the negotiating table. That said, I take some encouragement from your tacit implication that the war is lost and Ukraine will have to negotiate a peace settlement. If they want a good deal, they ought to do pretty much the exact opposite of everything they're doing at the moment - otherwise they'll likely end up with nothing.

And by the way, there is a possibility Trump might be able to have the U.S. leave NATO,
so you might want to brush up on your Russian since the Russians in the UK might need to call on their homeland for protection.;)
Trump taking the U.S. out of NATO would be excellent news and receive my full support, 100%. It's a totally pointless organisation that does no good for the world and serves no purpose other than to generate huge revenue for the military industrial complex.

Lastly, I urge you to watch the two videos in my last post and, in particular, consider your answer to the question posed by Judge Napolitano to Prof. Jeffrey Sachs in the second video around the 13.00' mark. So, tell us R_L: how would you feel?
Tim.
 
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Europe prepares for WW3: Now Germany reveals plans to mobilise national defence and 800,000 NATO troops after Kremlin nuke threat - as US announces new weapon Kyiv can use to stop Russia after allowing long-range missile strikes​

  • A 1,000-page document outlines Germany's national defence plan, media claim
  • Comes as the US authorised use of anti-personnel mines on Ukraine frontline

Moscow reveals Putin is prepared to discuss Ukraine peace deal with Trump - and the terms required to end the conflict that has brought Europe to the brink of WW3​

British Storm Shadow missiles 'may have been used to target Russian facility with underground control room where Kim Jong Un's commanders are holed up': Defence experts reveal fascinating evidence as attack stokes WW3 fears​

Ukraine front could 'collapse' as Russia gains accelerate, experts warn​

 
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Biden writes his epitaph, spectacularly
See more at https://english.pravda.ru/opinion/161236-biden_murderous_epitaph/

Ukraine launches 12 Storm Shadow missiles striking Kursk region of Russia
See more at https://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/161234-ukraine-storm-shadow-russia/

More embassies in Kyiv close as Russia prepares to launch major airstrike on Ukraine
Russia is preparing a major air strike on Ukraine, which led to the closure of several embassies, including the US Embassy.
See more at https://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/161230-russia-airstrike-ukraine/

Nord Stream saboteurs linked to CIA – Spiegel

The price of manipulation: What’s next for this country after a stolen election?



 
IF somekind of nuclear war does brake out or even if war is escallated and culminates in WW3, I wonder what people / historians will say in another 100 years when looking back.

What I have learned is that our news media is filled with a pack of lies and disinformation untruths. MSM writes the viewpoint of the elected and non-elected power merchants. This includes history as well. It is trully an evil art form of deception and lies to manipulate the masses to conform to the interests of the view.
 

Russia to use revenues from frozen assets of Western investors — Finance Minister


Mystery behind Baltic undersea cables and Chinese cargo ship with Russian captain
See more at https://english.pravda.ru/world/161238-baltic-sea-cables/

Germany knew in advance about Nord Stream attack – media


 
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