Ukraine invasion



What' going on in the background:
 

"Thus, if Ukraine’s complicity in Friday’s terrorist attack is indeed established, it would also suggest, at a minimum, US knowledge and de facto approval of it. In this respect, various people have already highlighted the recent warnings by the GUR chief, Kirill Budanov, and outgoing US Undersecretary of State Victoria Nuland about “unpleasant surprises” awaiting Russia in the near future."


According to the latest news what's written between the lines, the following were involved in the Moscow terrorist attack:
For sure: Nuland(when she was part of the US government) - CIA - ISIS - Ukraine - and maybe also: - Poland? - France?





Crocus City Hall terrorists led normal lives before committing attack
See more at https://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/159230-cross-city-hall-terrorists/

 
What' going on in the background:
It's okay for Russia to expand, though.;)
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Leaving the terrorist attack on the music venue aside (which can happen anywhere and isn't at all relevant to the conflict), everything's going swimmingly for Putin. He's won the war, Ukraine is disintegrating and the west hasn't got a clue what to do about it. As I've said countless times on here, Ukraine can't possibly win without direct NATO involvement which would almost certainly trigger a nuclear conflict. Fortunately, no one - other than possibly Macron - is quite that insane. It's all over bar the shouting c_v - even you must be able to see that!?
Putin's war has just started. It's inside Russia in case you hadn't noticed. Ukraine doesn't need to do anything more than hold the line, whilst carrying out raids and air strikes across the border. As the chaos ensues, we will see that Putin's home forces will be seen to be as useless as his overseas fighting forces.

Anyway, it all takes time to reach a critical unstoppable mass, so stay tuned.
 
Doh, silly me, of course you know that - why else would you have bottled out of our wager!
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Being the thoughtful kind generous soul that I am. I gave it careful consideration and came to the conclusion that you couldn't afford it. :)
 






 
Being the thoughtful kind generous soul that I am. I gave it careful consideration and came to the conclusion that you couldn't afford it. :)
c_v,
I'm very happy to re-instate the wager - because I know Ukraine has already lost. So do you, which is why you've bottled it but, sadly, don't have the courage to admit you've got hopelessly, disastrously wrong. Another of your many contradictions: giving it the big one but refusing to back up what you say with hard cash. And therein lies the difference between the two of us - I'm always willing to concede when I'm wrong.

Anyway, just to prove I can afford it, I'm happy to make it 20 oz of fine 999 silver if you like - or perhaps you're the one who can't afford it?
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Putin's war has just started. It's inside Russia in case you hadn't noticed. Ukraine doesn't need to do anything more than hold the line, whilst carrying out raids and air strikes across the border. As the chaos ensues, we will see that Putin's home forces will be seen to be as useless as his overseas fighting forces.

Anyway, it all takes time to reach a critical unstoppable mass, so stay tuned.

You don't half talk a lot or rubbish CV.

Putin has been in charge since 1999 and you say his war has just started? What war is this that's just started? Can you be a little bit clear so we all see.

Ukraine doesn't need to do anything more? What else can Ukraine do? If Russia steps up attacks on Ukraine infrastructure taking out water electricity and transport and communication networks, what can Ukraine do to fight back? Most Ukrainians probably talking about getting rid of Zelensky but wondering how?

You come out with statements which have no bearing on fact or reality.
 
Al-Qaida was a US CIA creation with Sauidi Arabs as main actors.

ISIS is just another US CIA creation, a private army of tools for conducting its dirty business in killing and destabilising independent countries that do not tow the US national interest and for perpertuating Islamic terror as a way of justifying billions spent on military. Remember in the past it was communisim and geurillas and socialists etc.

Bear in mind ISIS roamed all over Iraq to the point of going into national banks and stealing the gold bullion from vaults - all under the protection and noses of the US military who were supposed to be protecting and trainig Iraqi forces, who were no where to be found to provide any resistance (true story of course was that they were orchestrated not to).

So called ISIS independent cells also run amok in Syria trying to establish an Islamic state.

All this tosh is still part of the Axis of Evil BS the neo-cons have been pursuing to gain control of all ME oil - essentially fields in Iraq and Iran. However, to get oil and gas to the Mediterranean to supply the West they need Syria restructured too, in the interest of the West.

Effectively, Mujahadeen aka Al-Qaida aka ISIS are all CIA creations and instruments to achieving US national interest. Merchants of death and destructions in destabilising other countries leading to wars and death of innocent civilians on all sides, whilst select groups and companies reap billions in weapons, security and defence spending.

It really is a sick mind set and ideology. It is all cloaked behind superficial news and MSM manipulation of your average Joe into thinking somehow the West are the good guys and others outside are bad.

However, the wind is changing and the Western countries are losing their grip gradually such that some balance in wealth and distribution of resources is occuring. Hence, we see the rise of Latin American, African and Asian nations and increasing struggles of the Western economies.

ISIS is an umbrella organisation for any hired mercenary to conduct operations in the interest of Western nations paying the price.


One has to ask the question if ISIS were trully interested in establishing some state, why attack some theatre in Moscow? Why not fight for a state in the ME alongside other muslims? Because, the US and money controls them. The ISIS handlers are Western interests. ISIS has no structure, head or mission. They are simply Western created and controlled terror cells in the guise of Islamic Terror.

So much BS. The BBC suck big time along with MSM, all under the control of intelligence agencies manipulating public opinion.

You don't half talk a lot or rubbish CV.

Putin has been in charge since 1999 and you say his war has just started? What war is this that's just started? Can you be a little bit clear so we all see.

Ukraine doesn't need to do anything more? What else can Ukraine do? If Russia steps up attacks on Ukraine infrastructure taking out water electricity and transport and communication networks, what can Ukraine do to fight back? Most Ukrainians probably talking about getting rid of Zelensky but wondering how?

You come out with statements which have no bearing on fact or reality.

He wont be in charge for much longer.

Have you noticed just how many aggrieved groups have started challenging his so called authority.

Putin firmly on the back foot now, fighting for survival. It will just get worse and worse.

To think that 30 yrs ago, Russia could have come in from the cold, but instead, Putin came to the rescue. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
He wont be in charge for much longer.
c_v,
He'll be in charge for another term which is plenty of time for him to bring in fresh blood so that when he steps aside at the next election in six years time (due to his age), there won't be a vacuum as has happened when previous leaders left office. He's just won the biggest election success imaginable, with an approval rating from the Russian electorate that western leaders can only fantasise about. Like it or not, he's incredibly popular with most Russians. And don't give me that guff about Russian elections being rigged - they're no more rigged than U.S. elections. After all, the Russian people weren't frog marched to the polling stations and made to vote for Putin - they could easily have stayed away if they didn't want to vote for him.
Have you noticed just how many aggrieved groups have started challenging his so called authority.
No, I haven't. What I have noticed is western propaganda that continually pushes the false notion at every opportunity about all these alleged groups to bolster Russiaphobia in people who are too lazy or too thick to do their own research to discover what's really happening inside Russia. It's mainly just Navalny who, surprise surprise, was the CIA's inside man. Yep - he was bought and paid for by the U.S. Who knew? (Well, not you, obviously!)
Putin firmly on the back foot now, fighting for survival. It will just get worse and worse.
Laughable.
As always, you make these ridiculous comments and don't support them with a shred of evidence because, of course, you haven't got any. In fact, the reverse is true, Putin is as secure in his post as he's ever been, riding high on a wave of popularity. And the simple reason for that is that the average Russian citizen is waaaaaaay better off today than they were before he came to power.
To think that 30 yrs ago, Russia could have come in from the cold, but instead, Putin came to the rescue. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
Russia made every attempt to "come in from the cold" and even applied to join NATO. The west rejected its application because that would have made NATO's very existence pointless. And then Russia - under Putin's leadership - started to get stronger, much stronger - and it became obvious to the the U.S. that it would never be a lapdog like the rest of Europe. So, they expanded NATO, bolstered anti Russian sentiment and fomented the conditions for this war, thinking that they could use Ukraine to take down Russia and get their hands on its immense natural resources. But their arrogance and hubris is proving to be their downfall: the whole plan has gone disastrously wrong and Russia has emerged stronger and more powerful than ever. And when Ukraine falls - which it surely will before the year end - and the rest of the world observes how Russia has pretty much single-handedly defeated not only Ukraine, but also the entire NATO alliance and the U.S. - who do you think they'll want to align themselves with? It's a no-brainer question c_v - even you can work this one out! :p

I say again c_V, stop spouting your nonsense or put your money where your mouth is and re-instate our bet. You can't have it both ways by keep churning out the same rubbish you clearly don't believe in whilst declining to take the bet. Either admit you've got it wrong and decline the bet or, if you insist on spewing out the false mainstream narrative - take the bet. One or the other - which is it to be?
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c_v,
He'll be in charge for another term which is plenty of time for him to bring in fresh blood so that when he steps aside at the next election in six years time (due to his age), there won't be a vacuum as has happened when previous leaders left office. He's just won the biggest election success imaginable, with an approval rating from the Russian electorate that western leaders can only fantasise about. Like it or not, he's incredibly popular with most Russians. And don't give me that guff about Russian elections being rigged - they're no more rigged than U.S. elections. After all, the Russian people weren't frog marched to the polling stations and made to vote for Putin - they could easily have stayed away if they didn't want to vote for him.

No, I haven't. What I have noticed is western propaganda that continually pushes the false notion at every opportunity about all these alleged groups to bolster Russiaphobia in people who are too lazy or too thick to do their own research to discover what's really happening inside Russia. It's mainly just Navalny who, surprise surprise, was the CIA's inside man. Yep - he was bought and paid for by the U.S. Who knew? (Well, not you, obviously!)

Laughable.
As always, you make these ridiculous comments and don't support them with a shred of evidence because, of course, you haven't got any. In fact, the reverse is true, Putin is as secure in his post as he's ever been, riding high on a wave of popularity. And the simple reason for that is that the average Russian citizen is waaaaaaay better off today than they were before he came to power.

Russia made every attempt to "come in from the cold" and even applied to join NATO. The west rejected its application because that would have made NATO's very existence pointless. And then Russia - under Putin's leadership - started to get stronger, much stronger - and it became obvious to the the U.S. that it would never be a lapdog like the rest of Europe. So, they expanded NATO, bolstered anti Russian sentiment and fomented the conditions for this war, thinking that they could use Ukraine to take down Russia and get their hands on its immense natural resources. But their arrogance and hubris is proving to be their downfall: the whole plan has gone disastrously wrong and Russia has emerged stronger and more powerful than ever. And when Ukraine falls - which it surely will before the year end - and the rest of the world observes how Russia has pretty much single-handedly defeated not only Ukraine, but also the entire NATO alliance and the U.S. - who do you think they'll want to align themselves with? It's a no-brainer question c_v - even you can work this one out! :p

I say again c_V, stop spouting your nonsense or put your money where your mouth is and re-instate our bet. You can't have it both ways by keep churning out the same rubbish you clearly don't believe in whilst declining to take the bet. Either admit you've got it wrong and decline the bet or, if you insist on spewing out the false mainstream narrative - take the bet. One or the other - which is it to be?
Tim.

Very much on the nail imo and well written as always Tim.

At the start of this thread CV gave Putin a week. He really won't stop because he is never wrong and will just keep touting same ol dribble.

People are so led by our MSM that any other piece of information or an opposing view is deemed to be treacherous conduct and mad calls to have ones head taken off are made. People are just not interested anything 15m outside of their work and home, going to the pub, and their basic simple lives.

Hunt and Sunak simply bat away inflation and gas prices by stating since Russia invaded Ukraine and that's the end of. No one has a clue about NATO other than it is there to protect us. Any other contrary bit of detail or information that challenges MSM BS is just not cricket.
 





 
Whatever you call it the attack on a public concert is an act of terrorism much like that of Hamas.

Duplicity of Western nations is clear enough for all to see.

Very sad. :(
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Three countries behind the attack look like were the US, UK and Ukraine. They are actively looking to recruit terrorists in the ME apparently.

Cameron has denied UK having anything to do with this as "nonsense" and both the US and UK stating that this is purely the act of ISIS.

However, there is no explanation or motive for ISIS to attack a theatre in Moscow? Why and more importantly why now? To take revenge for Russia defending the demise of Syria, much like Iraq and Libya.

Why weren't the terrorists running to an alternatively border other than Ukraine?

You'd think Ukraine/Russia border to aim for what with the Ukraine war on-going is the worst option. An exit strategy elsewhere, with less Russian troops obviously was not considered to be a better option.

Or was it to mislead the Russian investigators thinking surely, they can't be that stupid.

There is the possibility that if ISIS did get away then fingers highly likely to be pointed at Ukraine anyway so let them get caught.

The whole atrocity has the mark of spooks playing silly buggers.

However, the mass public will believe any sh!t doled out to them. Coz they - ISIS have done this before. That's what they do.
 
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