Ukraine invasion

[timsk]

You should be more concerned that Putler's Russia is about to enter year 3 of a 3 day special operation. Tax payer need not fund this failed invasion. It could be funded from all those frozen Russian assets.

c_v,
When you say "failed invasion" - I take it this is the new normal where love means hate and peace means war etc.? In other words, the operation is successful and achieving everything the Russians set out to achieve while Ukraine has lost everything. Everyone who looks objectively at what has happened and ignores MSM propaganda knows this is the case. Only the naive and those who choose to be brainwashed by the likes of BoJo still cling to the absurd notion that Ukraine is winning the conflict and will restore its pre-February 2022 borders. That can't possibly happen, it's impossible. Europe is a spent military force - it has no weapons left to give Ukraine and they can't supply anything like enough ammo to keep pace with demand. And Ukrainians don't have any more men of fighting age. Russia, on the other hand, has any amount of weapons, ammo and trained soldiers. Like it or not, those are the cold hard facts of the situation.

Can you explain why Ukraine should give up? Is it because it makes your life easier?

With pleasure. . .
It should give up because it can't win. A snowball in hell has better odds of survival than Ukraine. To continue merely results in more needless loss of life, more needless destruction and more $USD, £GBP and Euros wasted that would be spent on hospitals, schools, mending pot holes - pretty much anything else really.

As for making my life easier, it wouldn't just be my life, but everyone's lives across the board, yours included, but especially Ukrainians lives. For a start, those that are left would get to keep theirs. The only people whose lives might be ever so slightly negatively impacted by a negotiated settlement would be the criminals you've sided with: the morally bankrupt lowlifes who profit from all the death and destruction.

Come the U.S. election in November, I'll be interested to see whether or not you support Trump, given that he is of the view that spending $billions on Ukraine does sweet FA for ordinary Americans, most of whom don't even know where Ukraine is - let alone why they're funding a war there, and has vowed to end the conflict within days of taking office.
Tim.

 

[joyny]

c_v,
When you say "failed invasion" - I take it this is the new normal where love means hate and peace means war etc.? In other words, the operation is successful and achieving everything the Russians set out to achieve while Ukraine has lost everything. Everyone who looks objectively at what has happened and ignores MSM propaganda knows this is the case. Only the naive and those who choose to be brainwashed by the likes of BoJo still cling to the absurd notion that Ukraine is winning the conflict and will restore its pre-February 2022 borders. That can't possibly happen, it's impossible. Europe is a spent military force - it has no weapons left to give Ukraine and they can't supply anything like enough ammo to keep pace with demand. And Ukrainians don't have any more men of fighting age. Russia, on the other hand, has any amount of weapons, ammo and trained soldiers. Like it or not, those are the cold hard facts of the situation.

With pleasure. . .
It should give up because it can't win. A snowball in hell has better odds of survival than Ukraine. To continue merely results in more needless loss of life, more needless destruction and more $USD, £GBP and Euros wasted that would be spent on hospitals, schools, mending pot holes - pretty much anything else really.

As for making my life easier, it wouldn't just be my life, but everyone's lives across the board, yours included, but especially Ukrainians lives. For a start, those that are left would get to keep theirs. The only people whose lives might be ever so slightly negatively impacted by a negotiated settlement would be the criminals you've sided with: the morally bankrupt lowlifes who profit from all the death and destruction.

Come the U.S. election in November, I'll be interested to see whether or not you support Trump, given that he is of the view that spending $billions on Ukraine does sweet FA for ordinary Americans, most of whom don't even know where Ukraine is - let alone why they're funding a war there, and has vowed to end the conflict within days of taking office.
Tim.

Putin's invasion of Ukraine indeed failed to achieve its objective of bringing the entire country under control, as now only parts of it are targeted. Another failure is the aim to prevent NATO from expanding, yet, in reality, Finland and Sweden are joining NATO, marking yet another setback for Putin. The West, being democratic, tends to be slower in organizing military manufacturing, but it is making progress. Dictators may be able to make quick decisions, which is akin to a sprint versus a marathon, and Putin's sprint, much like Hitler's, has failed. History repeats itself, and here we see tangible evidence of Putin's failures. As for Trump, he was the one advocating for NATO members to increase military spending. He may tell the electorate anything to get elected, but his real actions later tell a different story.

 

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[timsk]

Putin's invasion of Ukraine indeed failed to achieve its objective of bringing the entire country under control, as now only parts of it are targeted. Another failure is the aim to prevent NATO from expanding, yet, in reality, Finland and Sweden are joining NATO, marking yet another setback for Putin. The West, being democratic, tends to be slower in organizing military manufacturing, but it is making progress. Dictators may be able to make quick decisions, which is akin to a sprint versus a marathon, and Putin's sprint, much like Hitler's, has failed. History repeats itself, and here we see tangible evidence of Putin's failures. As for Trump, he was the one advocating for NATO members to increase military spending. He may tell the electorate anything to get elected, but his real actions later tell a different story.

Hi joyny,
You kick off with: "Putin's invasion of Ukraine indeed failed to achieve its objective of bringing the entire country under control, as now only parts of it are targeted". Firstly, what makes you think that Putin's objective was to bring the entire country under control (whatever that means?) and, secondly, even if that was his aim (which is news to me), what makes you think he's failed? After all, the war is ongoing and Russia is clearly winning it.

You're right about NATO expanding by bringing Finland and Sweden on board. However, that would likely have happened anyway in the fullness of time and is not Russia's primary concern. Ukraine joining NATO is what it must prevent at all costs because it represents a clear and obvious existential threat. As Putin said in his interview with Tucker Carlson, it would be an act of gross incompetence for any Russian leader to allow that to happen - or words to that effect.

You also assert that the west is democratic; what makes you think that? Sure, there is a thin veneer of democracy, but nothing more than that. Very little that the government does has been approved by the electorate, and much of what it promised it would do (in its manifesto if re-elected) - it has failed to do. Lamentably so. IMO, our leaders are every bit as tyrannical and despotic as any dictator - certainly Putin. If a poll was conducted that asked the question: 'Between Putin and BoJo - which of the two men do you trust the least and think is most likely to lie to you?' - my money's on BoJo winning that contest hands down!

Lastly, you write: "He [Trump] may tell the electorate anything to get elected, but his real actions later tell a different story." Can you name a politician of any political hue to whom this does not apply?! Also, one must distinguish between politicians who make a decent stab of doing what they say they'll do on the campaign trail prior to being elected and those that make no attempt whatsoever. At least Trump made an effort to do the things he said he would - even if he wasn't always successful.
Tim.

 

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[timsk]

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The exchange below between Elon Musk and Sen. Ron Johnson will make uncomfortable reading for the fantasists on here who refuse to accept the reality of what's happening. They discuss their opposition to escalating the ongoing bloody stalemate in the War in Ukraine. Instead, advocating for peace negotiations to bring an end to the loss of lives and the destruction of Ukraine. Neither man likes Putin, so they're not Putin stooges, supporters, useful idiots or apologists etc, just realists who understand what's going on.

@elonmusk:
"My companies have probably done more to undermine Russia than anyone. Space X has taken away two-thirds of the Russian launch business. Starlink has overwhelmingly helped Ukraine.My concern is exactly what you articulated. If you have an extended war of attrition, every day that goes by, you're losing more Ukrainian people.They aren't even Ukrainian boys anymore because they are running out of boys. And if you are going to spend lives, it must be for a purpose. Not just a mile back and forth. In fact, the lines aren't moving. So, just every day, people die. As you said, there's no way Putin is going to lose. If he backs off, he will be assassinated. And for those who want regime change in Russia, they should think about who is the person that could take out Putin? Is that person likely to be a peacenik? Probably not. They're probably going to be even more hardcore than Putin."

@SenRonJohnson:
"We all have to understand that Vladimir Putin will not lose this war... Losing to Vladimir Putin is existential to Vladimir Putin. Russia has four times the population and a much larger industrial base. Russia can produce 4.5 million artillery shells per year. We're not even up to 1 million per year. The average age of a Ukrainian soldier right now is 43 years old. Some of Zelensky's top aides say that even if the U.S. and its allies deliver all the weapons they have pledged, they don't have the men to use them. If you're worried about the people of Ukraine, you have to understand that probably 100,000 of their soldiers have been killed.The only way this war ends is in a settlement, and every day that the war goes on, more Ukrainians and more Russian conscripts die, more civilians die, and more of Ukraine gets destroyed. Again, sending $60 billion as added fuel to the flames of a bloody stalemate makes no sense. As evil of a war criminal as Putin is, he's not going to lose this war, and our colleagues here just aren't willing to accept that reality. They are living in a fantasy world thinking that Ukraine can win this thing."

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• Since February 24, the Russian military has lost more than half of its main battle tanks and, within just three months of the war, suffered more casualties than it did in the nine-year Soviet-Afghanistan war.
• Whereas the Putin regime has spent approx. a quarter (25%) of its budget on the war,
• U.S. support for Ukraine to date is closer to 1.5 percent (1.5%) of our federal budget.

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[counter_violent]

Hi joyny,
You kick off with: "Putin's invasion of Ukraine indeed failed to achieve its objective of bringing the entire country under control, as now only parts of it are targeted". Firstly, what makes you think that Putin's objective was to bring the entire country under control (whatever that means?) and, secondly, even if that was his aim (which is news to me), what makes you think he's failed? After all, the war is ongoing and Russia is clearly winning it.

You're right about NATO expanding by bringing Finland and Sweden on board. However, that would likely have happened anyway in the fullness of time and is not Russia's primary concern. Ukraine joining NATO is what it must prevent at all costs because it represents a clear and obvious existential threat. As Putin said in his interview with Tucker Carlson, it would be an act of gross incompetence for any Russian leader to allow that to happen - or words to that effect.

You also assert that the west is democratic; what makes you think that? Sure, there is a thin veneer of democracy, but nothing more than that. Very little that the government does has been approved by the electorate, and much of what it promised it would do (in its manifesto if re-elected) - it has failed to do. Lamentably so. IMO, our leaders are every bit as tyrannical and despotic as any dictator - certainly Putin. If a poll was conducted that asked the question: 'Between Putin and BoJo - which of the two men do you trust the least and think is most likely to lie to you?' - my money's on BoJo winning that contest hands down!

Lastly, you write: "He [Trump] may tell the electorate anything to get elected, but his real actions later tell a different story." Can you name a politician of any political hue to whom this does not apply?! Also, one must distinguish between politicians who make a decent stab of doing what they say they'll do on the campaign trail prior to being elected and those that make no attempt whatsoever. At least Trump made an effort to do the things he said he would - even if he wasn't always successful.
Tim.

Putler had no intention of ousting Ukraine's leadership and taking over control.

In the first weeks, there were convoys of troops heading for the capital. Thankfully they were stopped in their tracks then driven out.

So that was obviously just a dummy attack to throw Ukrainians off the scent right !

Russia has achieved none of it's objectives. It totally miscalculated this Ukrainian escapade and is already paying a heavy price. It's so bad for them, that given enough time, I can see the complete disintegration of Russia as we know it. China just sitting back ready to take full advantage no doubt

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[timsk]

Putler had no intention of ousting Ukraine's leadership and taking over control.

c_v,
That's my view, too: I was merely commenting on what joyny said.

In the first weeks, there were convoys of troops heading for the capital. Thankfully they were stopped in their tracks then driven out.

That's one of the many pieces of MSM propaganda that you choose to believe but we all know is completely untrue. Putin withdrew his forces in an act of good faith because there was a peace deal on the table which BoJo then scuppered. This is documented fact, with testimonies from highly credible people directly involved with the negotiations, including Davyd Arakhamia, leader of Ukraine's 'Servant of the People' party and Naftali Bennett, then Prime Minister of Israel.

So that was obviously just a dummy attack to throw Ukrainians off the scent right !

Russia has achieved none of it's objectives. It totally miscalculated this Ukrainian escapade and is already paying a heavy price. It's so bad for them, that given enough time, I can see the complete disintegration of Russia as we know it. China just sitting back ready to take full advantage no doubt

You can pretend all you want that Russia hasn't achieved any of its objectives just as you can pretend that night doesn't follow day, the Pope isn't Catholic and that bears don't poop in the woods. The facts speak for themselves and prove otherwise.

As for China, it has no interest in seeing Russia disintegrate as the country is an integral part of its 'Belt & Road' initiative. Russian disintegration serves U.S. and western interests only - not China's. I have to say c_v, I'm really rather shocked at just how poorly informed and/or misinformed you appear to be about what's going on geo-politically and who benefits from the conflagration in Ukraine.
Tim.

 

[counter_violent]

c_v,
That's my view, too: I was merely commenting on what joyny said.

That's one of the many pieces of MSM propaganda that you choose to believe but we all know is completely untrue. Putin withdrew his forces in an act of good faith because there was a peace deal on the table which BoJo then scuppered. This is documented fact, with testimonies from highly credible people directly involved with the negotiations, including Davyd Arakhamia, leader of Ukraine's 'Servant of the People' party and Naftali Bennett, then Prime Minister of Israel.

You can pretend all you want that Russia hasn't achieved any of its objectives just as you can pretend that night doesn't follow day, the Pope isn't Catholic and that bears don't poop in the woods. The facts speak for themselves and prove otherwise.

As for China, it has no interest in seeing Russia disintegrate as the country is an integral part of its 'Belt & Road' initiative. Russian disintegration serves U.S. and western interests only - not China's. I have to say c_v, I'm really rather shocked at just how poorly informed and/or misinformed you appear to be about what's going on geo-politically and who benefits from the conflagration in Ukraine.
Tim.

As usual, an answer for everything. All of them wrong.

Time for a history lesson. Now pay attention, i'll be testing you later !

Russia's failure to take down Kyiv was a defeat for the ages

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