UK Politics

Signalcalc said:
I suppose it depends on the viewpoint that you take. If you take a view that politicians are in it for the good of society then that is one viewpoint.

If you take a view that politicians are just the enactors or conduits (some would say puppets) by which society is 'controlled' by the real power brokers (rich individuals such as the George Soros's, the soon-to-be FANG powerbase, The EU collective, the banks, the corporate lobbyists etc) then you might look at politics in a different light, there are many questions that need to be answered about changes that are taking place. Those questions are becoming more difficult to ask because, lo and behold, the law is being used (and corrupted) to silence those asking the questions.

Now, I have no problem with those that wish to take the line that HM's opposition is challenging the current government or that the billion dollar corporate media 'exposes' what goes on, but when HM's opposition is no better than HM Govt from a moral standpoint, then that argument looks less convincing. Dig just a little bit deeper to see who owns, manages and funds the corporate media and you might then trust what they are saying a little less and begin to question why they are saying it. You see cover-ups and journalists that don't toe the line being smeared and sacked when they get too close to 'the truth' - why?

There are political mistakes made that are blindingly obvious that are reported on by MSM and make it into PMs questions and yet a straightforward explanation/answer is never presented, if that's not deception, deflection and secrecy then I'm not sure what is! Why so much fake news, why so much media bias?

And why should we tolerate politicians feathering their nests (just a little)? They serve us, we pay their wages, if politicians really are in it for the good of society then why do they corrupt their own positions for personal gain? And we see that corruption from the top filtering down through all aspects of civil life, not necessarily just monetarily either. We should not be tolerating it and yet it is allowed to continue, often without punishment when exposed.
Click to expand...

Politicians used to be unpaid and although being "in the club" (rather like an advanced Old Boys network) led to personal gain, most were in it for civic duty whatever one might have thought about their policy convictions. The rot set in once they started to get paid - and they have voted themselves fat increases (and expenses) over the years - when it became a career job and attracted more of those out for themselves.

Nonetheless my personal experience suggests that there is still a strong motivation to work for the benefit of society and many work very hard in the interests of their constituents.

Political mistakes are "blindingly obvious" in hindsight, but less so at the time. There are few things where the answer is starkly black or white and most things are somewhere in the grey. In discussing something that has such pros and cons who would not place emphasis on the side that favours their position? Of course, such spin has got a bit out of hand but it is very general nowadays and not confined to politicians.
 
barjon said:
Politicians used to be unpaid and although being "in the club" (rather like an advanced Old Boys network) led to personal gain, most were in it for civic duty whatever one might have thought about their policy convictions. The rot set in once they started to get paid - and they have voted themselves fat increases (and expenses) over the years - when it became a career job and attracted more of those out for themselves.

Nonetheless my personal experience suggests that there is still a strong motivation to work for the benefit of society and many work very hard in the interests of their constituents.

Political mistakes are "blindingly obvious" in hindsight, but less so at the time. There are few things where the answer is starkly black or white and most things are somewhere in the grey. In discussing something that has such pros and cons who would not place emphasis on the side that favours their position? Of course, such spin has got a bit out of hand but it is very general nowadays and not confined to politicians.
Click to expand...

jesus christ, BS

god almighty was never mired in sht

for fk sake, jesus chrit what a load

:D
 
barjon said:
I hazard a guess that you disagree then? :LOL:
Click to expand...

politicians aren't quants, mostly they are lawyers, and political science (whatever that is) BS majors.

add to this good looks, and charisma..

i don't have either
actually i'm glad not i am good looking..

might have corrupted me

:D
 
Signalcalc said:
Oh dear Sajid Javed, what was I saying about corruption?
Click to expand...

have i missed something ? was a bit preoccupied watching it all kick off in Russia :-0

Was it...


Family of Home Secretary Sajid Javid accused of running a ‘cash for visas’ con ???
 
mike. said:
have i missed something ? was a bit preoccupied watching it all kick off in Russia :-0

Was it...


Family of Home Secretary Sajid Javid accused of running a ‘cash for visas’ con ???
Click to expand...



Yes that was what I was referring to, although today it’s about his successful brothers, odd reporting going on here, somethings afoot.

Yes Russian protests are sparking interest, but how far will they lead, not seen much like it (reported) in recent years, will be interesting to see what back story emerges, if any.
 
Oh dear, seems there is some UK involvement in the emerging spygate, off to the popcorn shop to top up for a bit.
 
Where there's no fear of arrest, prosecution and significant punishment, there's no deterrent.

The majority of crimes are not investigated as we would understand the term, they are simply logged so that the victims can obtain recompense through insurance etc. and the police can maintain their resources.
 
Of course, no socialist can accept the monarchic and capitalist democratic system of the UK. Any system which does not match their selected leftist view, from democratic socialism to Marxist communism, they see as not simply a poor political choice in let's say economic terms but an illicit and oppressive dictatorship. Many socialists recoil from the idea of a revolutionary destruction of the current state apparatus by any means including violence, but many socialists do not and communists do not.

The leftist view of non-leftist political systems as immoral oppression backed by armed state bodies, means that socialists will always be inches away from lighting up a Molotov cocktail.
 
tomorton said:
Of course, no socialist can accept the monarchic and capitalist democratic system of the UK. Any system which does not match their selected leftist view, from democratic socialism to Marxist communism, they see as not simply a poor political choice in let's say economic terms but an illicit and oppressive dictatorship. Many socialists recoil from the idea of a revolutionary destruction of the current state apparatus by any means including violence, but many socialists do not and communists do not.

The leftist view of non-leftist political systems as immoral oppression backed by armed state bodies, means that socialists will always be inches away from lighting up a Molotov cocktail.
Click to expand...

It's not just restricted to the left to think in such terms though, there is growing disquiet in the UK with the whole democratic system amongst ordinary people that have never before considered themselves left or right, but just as straight, hard working, moral, tax paying, upstanding citizens wanting to live life peaceably with a government and media that is balanced. These citizens are awakening to a perceived state bias that appears to be working against them, it appears they have legitimate concerns, whilst most people wish to resolve issues through the democratic process, there is a fear that there will be a clash between the already existing violent extreme left and the emerging extreme far right. This just provides the state with more excuse to clamp down on the situation, exacerbating the range of issues.

The problem is that the citizens see the 'moderate' left appearing to have control of most things, from state institutions, the media, law enforcement and the judiciary, the sheer number of institutional scandals that are coming to light: rape gang cover-ups, NHS death cover-ups, Islamic appeasement, migrant crisis, EU corruption, a changing world is providing unease for lots of people. They see the media denouncing their efforts for their voices to be heard as 'far-right', this angers and frustrates even more, the media are complicit in fomenting a worse situation by providing biased views, to which government react by introducing 'hate crimes' and clamping down on social media.

The calls for calmness are also rising, as this lady writes (note that social media has enabled the 20/30s young to be calling the narrative at the moment, the older generation are not as active in that medium as, I'm guessing, the change from legacy media MSM is relatively slow in that demographic):

https://lucybrown.info/FreeTommy-Shouting-FIRE-In-a-Crowded-Theatre
 
Government authorities and the major political parties are starting to get worried because they feel that they have lost effective control of the electorate – Brexit as a result of the (now defunct but could always come back to life) UKIP movement was ample demonstration of that. When authorities start to panic things can go disastrously wrong (Cameron panicked over UKIP didn't he?) – You only have to look at the 18th and 19th century politics in Europe to get some sort of comparison. Hitler got to power through dissatisfaction of the electorate with their current lot.

Because we have no decent potential leadership in UK things are starting to look a little bit dangerous. It's also looking very dodgy in the EU.
 
sminicooper said:
Government authorities and the major political parties are starting to get worried because they feel that they have lost effective control of the electorate – Brexit as a result of the (now defunct but could always come back to life) UKIP movement was ample demonstration of that. When authorities start to panic things can go disastrously wrong (Cameron panicked over UKIP didn't he?) – You only have to look at the 18th and 19th century politics in Europe to get some sort of comparison. Hitler got to power through dissatisfaction of the electorate with their current lot.

Because we have no decent potential leadership in UK things are starting to look a little bit dangerous. It's also looking very dodgy in the EU.
Click to expand...


Just because Germany changing leaders it's looking dodgy in the EU :LOL::LOL::LOL:


Compared to state of UK parliament and thread TM hanging by that's funni :LOL::LOL::LOL:
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

wasp
Uk
2 3
Replies
41
Views
13K
JTrader
JTrader
Top