trading which products make most money?

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I am thinking to apply for a trader position and I realised that different firms trade slightly different products and concentration
Trading which product I will make the most money, if I could choose among equity options and underlying shares ; equity-index derivatives; baskets of shares: government bonds, cash and derivatives; commodities; foreign exchange in spot and derivative markets; convertible notes; sector-index derivatives; and exchange traded funds.

There are statistical trading, black box trading, Quantitative trading, algorithmic trading and some other types of trading.
I am wondering which type of trading will benifit me the most and I could learn and develop the most for trading at home later.
I want to develop my skills while I am working and afterwards I could just get my money and work at home.

Thanks a lot for your opinions.
 
doudouforever said:
I am thinking to apply for a trader position and I realised that different firms trade slightly different products and concentration
Trading which product I will make the most money, if I could choose among equity options and underlying shares ; equity-index derivatives; baskets of shares: government bonds, cash and derivatives; commodities; foreign exchange in spot and derivative markets; convertible notes; sector-index derivatives; and exchange traded funds.

There are statistical trading, black box trading, Quantitative trading, algorithmic trading and some other types of trading.
I am wondering which type of trading will benifit me the most and I could learn and develop the most for trading at home later.
I want to develop my skills while I am working and afterwards I could just get my money and work at home.

Thanks a lot for your opinions.
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I'm sorry doudou - but that's like me coming on here and asking everyone which car I would like the most and how should I drive it. It's all down to personal taste - you'll have to find out for yourself.
 
Hoggums said:
I'm sorry doudou - but that's like me coming on here and asking everyone which car I would like the most and how should I drive it. It's all down to personal taste - you'll have to find out for yourself.
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I don't think it's the same thing.
Working as an excution trader won't help me trade by myself.
Balck box trading is the same I suppose, because computer is doing most of the work.

I suspected that trading forex or engery makes lots of money. It's just because the market is good.
I can imagine some markets are rather steady, then it's hard to make money.
Since I need to trade any way, so why not choose a markt or product makes more money?

Am I right?
 
doudouforever said:
I don't think it's the same thing.
Working as an excution trader won't help me trade by myself.
Balck box trading is the same I suppose, because computer is doing most of the work.

I suspected that trading forex or engery makes lots of money. It's just because the market is good.
I can imagine some markets are rather steady, then it's hard to make money.
Since I need to trade any way, so why not choose a markt or product makes more money?

Am I right?
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No wrong - you trade relative to the volatility. So a volatile market like metals & oil you trade smaller than the S&P for instance.

Also any market that "makes more money" - loses more money also. It's not a guarantee and you should realise that you'll probably lose before you "make"

Also you can make money even if the market doesn't move with the right strategy.

Quite honestly you should do some homework and study the markets yourself and find out how they work - then you can decide for yourself.
 
Hoggums said:
No wrong - you trade relative to the volatility. So a volatile market like metals & oil you trade smaller than the S&P for instance.

Also any market that "makes more money" - loses more money also. It's not a guarantee and you should realise that you'll probably lose before you "make"

Also you can make money even if the market doesn't move with the right strategy.

Quite honestly you should do some homework and study the markets yourself and find out how they work - then you can decide for yourself.
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Thanks. I didn't some research, but couldn't find any useful info.
 
doudouforever said:
doudou in voodoo is to win.:devilish:
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LOL. In French it's a child's comfort blanket / bedtime toy.

Hoggums' answer is broadly correct: there will be well-paid and not-so-well paid traders in each market, the factor being the firm they work for and their ability, more than the market itself. As Hoggums says, the size you can trade will be determined in part by volatility: all things being equal you aren't going to trading the same sized clip in Natural Gas as you would US Treasuries. Work out what you're good at, and more importantly, interested in, and take it from there.
 
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Jack o'Clubs said:
LOL. In French it's a child's comfort blanket / bedtime toy.

Hoggums' answer is broadly correct: there will be well-paid and not-so-well paid traders in each market, the factor being the firm they work for and their ability, more than the market itself. As Hoggums says, the size you can trade will be determined in part by volatility: all things being equal you aren't going to trading the same sized clip in Natural Gas as you would US Treasuries. Work out what you're good at, and more importantly, interested in, and take it from there.
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I am interested in earning money! ;)
I don't see the difference between watching financial news and engery news, trading options and commodities.

What kind of trader position will benefit me the most if I want to trade at home after a few years?
 
doudouforever said:
I am interested in earning money! ;)
I don't see the difference between watching financial news and engery news, trading options and commodities.

What kind of trader position will benefit me the most if I want to trade at home after a few years?
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if there was a one line answer to your question, then we'd all be doing it. If there was a simple answer then why would anybody be trading anything else?

Is trading Forex twice as profitable as trading stocks? Yes and No - it depends what your'e good at, if anything.

People make and lose lots of money trading all markets.

UTB

PS - you don't have a "hidden secret agenda" do you. You aren't that sad, eh?;)
 
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doudouforever said:
I am thinking to apply for a trader position and I realised that different firms trade slightly different products and concentration
Trading which product I will make the most money, if I could choose among equity options and underlying shares ; equity-index derivatives; baskets of shares: government bonds, cash and derivatives; commodities; foreign exchange in spot and derivative markets; convertible notes; sector-index derivatives; and exchange traded funds.

There are statistical trading, black box trading, Quantitative trading, algorithmic trading and some other types of trading.
I am wondering which type of trading will benifit me the most and I could learn and develop the most for trading at home later.
I want to develop my skills while I am working and afterwards I could just get my money and work at home.

Thanks a lot for your opinions.
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Dear friend

I have been trading for seven years, tried several strategies and listened to
some really experienced traders with over 17 years winning experience,

the market has been defined as ; The lack of coordination among participants to
coordinate their actions, this is due to difference of point views and opinions,
It's incredibly tough to consistently beat a market, particularly efficient markets
are very tough to beat, the news gets priced in too quick...

I think forex is a more open market, stocks are traded in a single central place
When I trade US stocks/markets I have to pay to get information on what
is happening on the floor and get an idea,
I use this one:
manmarketmonitor.com
there's no way in the universe you can work out real support and resistance
based on past numbers or charting software,
let me repeat: THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN PREDICT A CENTRALLY TRADED MARKET'S
SUPPORT AND RESISTANCE LEVELS USING DEAD NUMBERS OR RIDICULOUS
CHARTING INDICATORS!!!
unless you have such floor contact you are better off with forex or some sort
of longer term stock trading based on fundamental analysis-swing tading



For today I just want to advise you against trading stock options, unless you can
really predict volatility in the underlying market there's no way to make serious
money with options, the market has to move by huge margin in your favour just to break even and recover premium costs,
the secret with options is to buy low volatility and sell at high volatility,
options value is directly affected by volatility,

you are much better off with outright purchase or
futures trading, don't be fooled by futures, you still need sufficient finance
and you can only trade stocks that trade smoothly without large gaps, and you
need place your stops far enough from todays price.
some stocks trade in such sudden spikes that you are guarranteed to to have
your stops triggered and unneccessary losses
 
doudouforever said:
I am thinking to apply for a trader position and I realised that different firms trade slightly different products and concentration
Trading which product I will make the most money, if I could choose among equity options and underlying shares ; equity-index derivatives; baskets of shares: government bonds, cash and derivatives; commodities; foreign exchange in spot and derivative markets; convertible notes; sector-index derivatives; and exchange traded funds.

There are statistical trading, black box trading, Quantitative trading, algorithmic trading and some other types of trading.
I am wondering which type of trading will benifit me the most and I could learn and develop the most for trading at home later.
I want to develop my skills while I am working and afterwards I could just get my money and work at home.

Thanks a lot for your opinions.
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easy.

i think you should try writing a black box to execute quantative statistical arbitrage on long dated italian credit derrivatives using implied volatilities as your foundation. do this in the otc market (lol! where else?).

the words candy and baby spring to mind.
 
the blades said:
if there was a one line answer to your question, then we'd all be doing it. If there was a simple answer then why would anybody be trading anything else?

Is trading Forex twice as profitable as trading stocks? Yes and No - it depends what your'e good at, if anything.

People make and lose lots of money trading all markets.

UTB

PS - you don't have a "hidden secret agenda" do you. You aren't that sad, eh?;)
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It sounds logic, but I don't agree with you.
That's the same as what I thought about people work for different firms.
There are good firms and less good firms. Why people don't go to work for the good firms? Because they are not good enough. There are more profitable markets. Not everyone is trading there because they are not good enough, they don't know them, they have traded there abut failed, so they stay away from it.
 
vergis92 said:
Dear friend

I have been trading for seven years, tried several strategies and listened to
some really experienced traders with over 17 years winning experience,

the market has been defined as ; The lack of coordination among participants to
coordinate their actions, this is due to difference of point views and opinions,
It's incredibly tough to consistently beat a market, particularly efficient markets
are very tough to beat, the news gets priced in too quick...

I think forex is a more open market, stocks are traded in a single central place
When I trade US stocks/markets I have to pay to get information on what
is happening on the floor and get an idea,
I use this one:
manmarketmonitor.com
there's no way in the universe you can work out real support and resistance
based on past numbers or charting software,
let me repeat: THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN PREDICT A CENTRALLY TRADED MARKET'S
SUPPORT AND RESISTANCE LEVELS USING DEAD NUMBERS OR RIDICULOUS
CHARTING INDICATORS!!!
unless you have such floor contact you are better off with forex or some sort
of longer term stock trading based on fundamental analysis-swing tading



For today I just want to advise you against trading stock options, unless you can
really predict volatility in the underlying market there's no way to make serious
money with options, the market has to move by huge margin in your favour just to break even and recover premium costs,
the secret with options is to buy low volatility and sell at high volatility,
options value is directly affected by volatility,

you are much better off with outright purchase or
futures trading, don't be fooled by futures, you still need sufficient finance
and you can only trade stocks that trade smoothly without large gaps, and you
need place your stops far enough from todays price.
some stocks trade in such sudden spikes that you are guarranteed to to have
your stops triggered and unneccessary losses
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Lots of information. Thanks.
I'll first start trading stocks from home. I reckon that I shouldn't trade options before I have pretty big odds to predict the trend of the stocks well. If I can't even predict the underlying well, how the hell am I gonna predict the movement of options!

For trading career, I want to apply for option trader position, but I think it's not too much value added to my personal home trading. What I heard about it is that you decrease the volatility of the options and buy them, then increase the volatility and sell them (how could you change volatiity?).
Influencing volatility is not something you can do at home, I suppose.
 
have a look at Korean crushed egg shell futures !
its the way forward
i heard they earn a fortune !
 
ha ha, charliechan, you know that will work, but you may increase the volatilitities (sic) of the market if you trade the purple helmeted rear end entry box spread from home
them Koreans eggs have been known to trade 10 lots a day, dou dou, get in there its got your name all over it !
this time next year we will be quabillionaires rodney.............
actually dou dou you should trade the "long wait gilt" i know people who made trillions trading that one on the floor !

honest
 
toxictrading said:
ha ha, charliechan, you know that will work, but you may increase the volatilitities (sic) of the market if you trade the purple helmeted rear end entry box spread from home
them Koreans eggs have been known to trade 10 lots a day, dou dou, get in there its got your name all over it !
this time next year we will be quabillionaires rodney.............
actually dou dou you should trade the "long wait gilt" i know people who made trillions trading that one on the floor !

honest
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ive simplified my strategy. im just long hand cuffs and a solid, smallish red ball with black leather buckle straps. volatility is at least known to be high here!
 
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