Mr. Charts
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Talking Dirty
There – I knew you would open this thread. Something exciting, something salacious.
T2w is like a park. It was created as a pleasant place where people could meet, chat, exchange views in a pretty environment with trees, borders, plants etc. Maybe even do a little planting themselves.
But since the park was there and some like only to despoil and vandalise, from time to time along came some unpleasant hoodies hiding their identity and trying to intimidate the walkers. Some of the hoodies CLAIMED to be doubly incontinent, leaving wee and poo wherever they went. Sometimes they picked up their poo and threw it at other park users. They felt this was their right in order to have “fun” or as perfectly reasonable self-expression. Some of the time they claimed what they did was really ok because being incontinent they couldn’t help themselves. This was bordering on the understandable in the eyes of some folk who felt that excrement was really good for the park anyway.
Analysed closely they had a point – in the point of view of others.
The park keepers felt they ought to try and keep the environment safe and enjoyable and went around trying to clear up the mess and asking the hoodies to desist.
Most hoodies didn’t and were banned from the park. Being hoodies they returned in slightly different clothes with their faces obscured. When spotted sometimes they were banned if they started pooing again. Occasionally there were allegations an entirely innocent hoodie had been banned from the park.
From time to time the volunteer park keepers made mistakes and in their well intentioned efforts to keep things clean removed anything people had planted in the borders, thinking it to be litter. This generated outrage from those who felt the park should not be cultivated but would be better left to nature and also annoyance from those who did not have malign motives and felt themselves innocent of any wrong doing, merely contributing by planting something attractive or useful.
Some vociferous park users questioned the identification of excrement by the park keepers. They asked how one lot of poo could be missed in one area and removed in another. And anyway, they said, how can you KNOW that brown mass is excrement without taking it to a laboratory and analysing it in detail. What qualifies YOU, they say, without being a trained and qualified analyst, to pass judgement as to the nature of the substance. After all, just because it was deposited by a known individual with a history, looks like poo and smells like poo, that is no reason in a court of law to actually confirm its nature and identity; much less have the self-appointed right to remove it,
Soon the whole park was contaminated and ruined for others by the smelly mess and by the constant outraged arguments of a handful of users.
The park keepers apparently met up from time to time to discuss what to do next.
After all it was a public park so how could they stem the tide of hoodies.
It was decided hoodies were ok as long as they didn’t poo. This was fair enough.
The only problem was those who did mess.
Get strict and the innocent might get caught up, don’t be strict and the innocent will get caught up……..
So what did the park keepers and the owner do?
Let’s ask the users. Brilliant.
Only trouble was many of the people who answered were hoodies. A few decent folk spoke up, only to be shouted down by the usual suspects. 99% didn’t express a view.
Maybe they didn’t care…….or maybe they didn’t want excrement thrown at them..........or maybe they just went to a better park.
Many felt the park keepers were completely wrong to ask for the views of the users since the former kept being inconsistent in their plant/litter/excrement removal activities. Not to mention that asking for users' views was some sort of admission of job failure in itself.
So what happened in the end?
They knew putting up big signs explaining park rules wouldn't work since human behaviour is often border line and those rules would be tested and bent, if not ignored.
Toleration and mutual respect were out of the question since it was a public area and some people don't have those words in their lexicon, much less understand their responsibilities and obligations to others.
Did the park go to seed and end up full of different types of human detritus?
Was Robocop called in? Was the solution even worse than the problem?
Well there wasn’t an end. Societies either develop mechanisms for self regulation or they implode.
But that’s survival of the fittest.
A dirty story.
And an on-going one.
Richard
There – I knew you would open this thread. Something exciting, something salacious.
T2w is like a park. It was created as a pleasant place where people could meet, chat, exchange views in a pretty environment with trees, borders, plants etc. Maybe even do a little planting themselves.
But since the park was there and some like only to despoil and vandalise, from time to time along came some unpleasant hoodies hiding their identity and trying to intimidate the walkers. Some of the hoodies CLAIMED to be doubly incontinent, leaving wee and poo wherever they went. Sometimes they picked up their poo and threw it at other park users. They felt this was their right in order to have “fun” or as perfectly reasonable self-expression. Some of the time they claimed what they did was really ok because being incontinent they couldn’t help themselves. This was bordering on the understandable in the eyes of some folk who felt that excrement was really good for the park anyway.
Analysed closely they had a point – in the point of view of others.
The park keepers felt they ought to try and keep the environment safe and enjoyable and went around trying to clear up the mess and asking the hoodies to desist.
Most hoodies didn’t and were banned from the park. Being hoodies they returned in slightly different clothes with their faces obscured. When spotted sometimes they were banned if they started pooing again. Occasionally there were allegations an entirely innocent hoodie had been banned from the park.
From time to time the volunteer park keepers made mistakes and in their well intentioned efforts to keep things clean removed anything people had planted in the borders, thinking it to be litter. This generated outrage from those who felt the park should not be cultivated but would be better left to nature and also annoyance from those who did not have malign motives and felt themselves innocent of any wrong doing, merely contributing by planting something attractive or useful.
Some vociferous park users questioned the identification of excrement by the park keepers. They asked how one lot of poo could be missed in one area and removed in another. And anyway, they said, how can you KNOW that brown mass is excrement without taking it to a laboratory and analysing it in detail. What qualifies YOU, they say, without being a trained and qualified analyst, to pass judgement as to the nature of the substance. After all, just because it was deposited by a known individual with a history, looks like poo and smells like poo, that is no reason in a court of law to actually confirm its nature and identity; much less have the self-appointed right to remove it,
Soon the whole park was contaminated and ruined for others by the smelly mess and by the constant outraged arguments of a handful of users.
The park keepers apparently met up from time to time to discuss what to do next.
After all it was a public park so how could they stem the tide of hoodies.
It was decided hoodies were ok as long as they didn’t poo. This was fair enough.
The only problem was those who did mess.
Get strict and the innocent might get caught up, don’t be strict and the innocent will get caught up……..
So what did the park keepers and the owner do?
Let’s ask the users. Brilliant.
Only trouble was many of the people who answered were hoodies. A few decent folk spoke up, only to be shouted down by the usual suspects. 99% didn’t express a view.
Maybe they didn’t care…….or maybe they didn’t want excrement thrown at them..........or maybe they just went to a better park.
Many felt the park keepers were completely wrong to ask for the views of the users since the former kept being inconsistent in their plant/litter/excrement removal activities. Not to mention that asking for users' views was some sort of admission of job failure in itself.
So what happened in the end?
They knew putting up big signs explaining park rules wouldn't work since human behaviour is often border line and those rules would be tested and bent, if not ignored.
Toleration and mutual respect were out of the question since it was a public area and some people don't have those words in their lexicon, much less understand their responsibilities and obligations to others.
Did the park go to seed and end up full of different types of human detritus?
Was Robocop called in? Was the solution even worse than the problem?
Well there wasn’t an end. Societies either develop mechanisms for self regulation or they implode.
But that’s survival of the fittest.
A dirty story.
And an on-going one.
Richard
