Something i dont get about Limit Orders and Level II

rg12

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If there is a buyer with a limit for lets say the price of 25.15
and he has a very large lot which means he can take alot of sellers
from the ASK right? but from what i know the big buyer has a limit
for a certain price so how come he takes out sellers from various prices?
 
The BUY LIMIT orders sit on the book and are matched with SELL MARKET orders (as they arrive) and transact at 25.15. The buyer is not 'taking out' sellers at different prices - he is waiting for SELL market orders to arrive. His compensation for waiting (and providing liquidity) is that sellers using market orders have to cross the spread ie sell at the lower price 25.15.
 
So what makes the price sometimes go down strong when
there is a big seller? (and the same question about a big buyer)
 
Assuming all other things are equal (ie existing limit orders on the book are not pulled out), a big MARKET SELL order will be absorbed first at the highest (ie best) bid, then the next bid down (next best) and the best bid will naturally fall. As the best bid falls, market makers will immediately offer lower ASK quotes (and if taken up on these, they buy at lower prices).

Quite apart from the above (ie movement driven by market orders), by definition market quotes (and best bid and ask) will move to any place that the aggregate of market makers choose to move them. Before economic news you can often see the best bid-ask widen, and the total number of limit orders lying on the book can drop significantly in the moments before a news release. So, there is less liquidity, and if the news is unexpected, (i) lower liquidity, (ii) lots of market orders and (iii) market makers' reaction (ie where they place their quotes) will all contribute to immediate volatility.

One theory says that market makers are typically agnostic about the market - they seek an equilibrium point where buying interest equals selling interest, and at equilibrium, they can continuously buy and sell, pocketing the bid-ask spread and keeping inventory low (ie as market makers they don't want to assume a position (directional risk) because their business model is to make the spread, not to take a directional view).
 
Assuming all other things are equal (ie existing limit orders on the book are not pulled out), a big MARKET SELL order will be absorbed first at the highest (ie best) bid, then the next bid down (next best) and the best bid will naturally fall. As the best bid falls, market makers will immediately offer lower ASK quotes (and if taken up on these, they buy at lower prices).

Quite apart from the above (ie movement driven by market orders), by definition market quotes (and best bid and ask) will move to any place that the aggregate of market makers choose to move them. Before economic news you can often see the best bid-ask widen, and the total number of limit orders lying on the book can drop significantly in the moments before a news release. So, there is less liquidity, and if the news is unexpected, (i) lower liquidity, (ii) lots of market orders and (iii) market makers' reaction (ie where they place their quotes) will all contribute to immediate volatility.

One theory says that market makers are typically agnostic about the market - they seek an equilibrium point where buying interest equals selling interest, and at equilibrium, they can continuously buy and sell, pocketing the bid-ask spread and keeping inventory low (ie as market makers they don't want to assume a position (directional risk) because their business model is to make the spread, not to take a directional view).

Thank you for this detailed explanation!
So basically if the market suddenly drops fast it is usually a large MARKET sell order that has been processed right? or of course a point broken that hit alot
of stop orders right?
 
Thank you for this detailed explanation!
So basically if the market suddenly drops fast it is usually a large MARKET sell order that has been processed right? or of course a point broken that hit alot
of stop orders right?

A big drop could be caused by either of those things, but not necessarily. It could could occur on few or no market orders if those making the market change their quotes, for any arbitrary reason (eg on unexpected news, or because quotes on a correlated asset move quickly). I think the best one can say in general is that if the market is moving fast, there are a combination of factors.
 
A big drop could be caused by either of those things, but not necessarily. It could could occur on few or no market orders if those making the market change their quotes, for any arbitrary reason (eg on unexpected news, or because quotes on a correlated asset move quickly). I think the best one can say in general is that if the market is moving fast, there are a combination of factors.

I still dont get why people buy a stock when the s&p500 is going up...
and why sometimes a.stock is.not affected by the spy..
Thanks for the info by now!
 
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