Should I quit my hedge fund day job?

spot on jason,use your own contacts in the industry for my sins i was an ex broker(salesman)ask the traders you know who trades managed accounts.
when i had enough i placed money with a broker and let a pro trade it,first month i made 6k second 72k on two heating oil contracts packed in my job moved from hongkong to place of my choice

erm....if they made you 78k over 2 months and you didn't think it was luck, why didn't you just keep the money in there and live the good life? I'd sure as hell bet it's going to take some time to get that sort of money yourself (if ever.) How much did you give them?
 
erm....if they made you 78k over 2 months and you didn't think it was luck, why didn't you just keep the money in there and live the good life? I'd sure as hell bet it's going to take some time to get that sort of money yourself (if ever.) How much did you give them?

i still have funds with them and always wanted to trade so have the best of both worlds,yes it was also a bit of luck the next month was a 8k loss,next 6k on each contract traded the following months 16k 9k up each contract traded so depending on when you joined that was a bit of luck.
in 6 years they have never had a losing year ,you dont give up on a good thing.
last year i made more than 78k myself and hope to do more this, time will tell
i gave them 100k to start with,working in the industry i had friends who were analysts and brokers who had funds with them so right place right time.
you make your own luck in my book i was making over 100k a year from age 22 so no big deal other than the hours and stress,like i said once i had enough ijacked and havent looked back its not about money for me never has been
 
i still have funds with them and always wanted to trade so have the best of both worlds,yes it was also a bit of luck the next month was a 8k loss,next 6k on each contract traded the following months 16k 9k up each contract traded so depending on when you joined that was a bit of luck.
in 6 years they have never had a losing year ,you dont give up on a good thing.
last year i made more than 78k myself and hope to do more this, time will tell
i gave them 100k to start with,working in the industry i had friends who were analysts and brokers who had funds with them so right place right time.
you make your own luck in my book i was making over 100k a year from age 22 so no big deal other than the hours and stress,like i said once i had enough ijacked and havent looked back its not about money for me never has been

Rodney, this time next year we'll be millionaires!
 
Hello everyone,

This is my first post, I've been lurking for a year or so on or off; my day job is so busy that I haven't been able to spend enough time looking on this website.

Over the last year or two I have fed my interest in day trading by reading about 4 or 5 trading books; technical analysis, mental-side, candlestick patterns, etc, reading forums and running trades in demo mode on MT4. I have a couple of strategies that are open to me during the hours I have spare but I don't really have very much time with the job being what it is.

I currently work for one of the more famous hedge funds in Europe, working on the software side of the desk of a very large algo trend-based fund. The pay is great but the hours are horrible and the pressure is constant; it's a real carrot and stick job and it feels like I am always one errant release away from the sack. Frankly it's just not that enjoyable any more. Before this job I spent 5 years working in various investment banks in London and I'd rather not move back there for quality of life reasons.

The thing is I'm spending more and more time thinking that I should start trading for myself; to do this obviously I would have to quit the day job. I have knowledge and exposure of the markets through the job but have not had that much direct exposure to the quant models being used. So I wouldn't be able to leave armed with any trade secrets! What I do have is the ability to very easily be able to automate my backtesting, or write any number of applications/tools that could help make the trading process quicker/easier. So I guess I would initially feel more comfortable starting to trade proper with an algo type approach, or semi automated.

What I would like to hear is feedback from anyone who has faced the same decision as me? How has it been? I've seen a few biogs that are similiar to mine; e.g. backgrounds in finance and IT; does this background help at all or is it even a hindrance? Am I mad to think about leaving the job?

I could support myself and my family ok for a year or so until I learnt the ropes.

All feedback appreciated.

cheers
Burt99


3-2-1...and you're back in the room mate. Ladies and gentlemen...give it up for, Burt the trader!

Smell that coffee boy!
 
I dont think Dash, myself and Blackswan trade 10p-£1 a pip, plus i think the general feedback is that he should enjoy his life more, if that means quitting his job and getting a lower paid job with more time off or trying to trade. His job is highly sort after, so i'm sure he can get a job with similar or better pay if it doesn't work out.

Most people on this site are part time hobby trading, either not profitable or paper trading.
You say you are a very successful trader, you may be. You say Dash and BS are too, they may be. The OP will never really know, or if for example BS be full of BS, who really knows?

My point is the OP works for a large hedge fund. I would have thought the traders there would be a more reliable place to start.

Of all the replies here I personally favour post number 4.
 
Most people on this site are part time hobby trading, either not profitable or paper trading.
You say you are a very successful trader, you may be. You say Dash and BS are too, they may be. The OP will never really know, or if for example BS be full of BS, who really knows?

My point is the OP works for a large hedge fund. I would have thought the traders there would be a more reliable place to start.

Of all the replies here I personally favour post number 4.

I hope BS is full of BS, because he's a complete hammock. But something tells me that's not the case. I don't think everyone here is risking small amounts of money. Generally only the guys risking £1k talk about their balance.
 
Hammock?

Googled hammock (slang) all I came up with was:

fanny hammock

•sanitary towel / napkin.
 
You are asking people who are mostly wannabe you's, who spread bet at 10p- £1 a pip and consistently lose and work as dustmen, admin or are un employed???

Are you feelin it?

Is that you'? Bless, thanks for sharing..Good luck with that ;)
 
I hope BS is full of BS, because he's a complete hammock. But something tells me that's not the case. I don't think everyone here is risking small amounts of money. Generally only the guys risking £1k talk about their balance.

Can't all be on the inside with you though eh boy? BSDs like you and Pozzy (trading huge size) need us retail chumps as fodder eh? Prick..
 
if the demand for labour in a low stress (retail, supermarket, etc) is growing where you live maybe the best choice is to get a job as a shelf packer/checkout operator to get out of the stressful environment and pay the bills while you learn how to trade

then after you've learned and found your style you trade when you feel is right, work the low stress job and retain the lifestyle you have now

i worked with a guy who did this when i was in my last 2 years of high school, went from uber stressful $200k salary to 30k although he didn't trade just had to get out of the job

on a sidenote; stressful jobs can cost you money :)

happy trading! join the $20 a week club (founded by me :p)
 
thanks for all the replies. I'm not decided quite how yet; but following these replies and time to think I'm going to work towards a better life balance over the next 6 months even if that risks the sack!

I'm also making plans to cut my costs in readiness for the jump!
 
like I am always one errant release away from the sack.

? :cheesy:

Seriously, I would hate (did hate) being in a job i hate esp with long hours,i think life is much too short and precious for that...
 
I agree with Scotty.

It's called spending time because that is exactly what you are doing. You only have a limited amount of time in the bank and can't trade it on Margin!

Some of your time you can swap for Money through necessity, the rest needs to be invested wisely with a good Risk/Reward ratio. It will always depreciate but sound decisions and good maintenence (healthy lifestyle, low stress) can increase value. Over spending in one area (ie at work) causes the other areas to decrease in value.

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Work out what your life actually costs you and maybe get a new job that earns that much with less hours and stress, then nothing would change your lifestyle, just the savings wouldn't increase.

You then have more time to consider other options and potentially accelerate your learning to trade if thats where you want to go. You could also try hobbies or socialising more or travelling and everything else that has suffered up til now. Doesn't sound so bad to me!

Just my thoughts. Not meant to be patronising but probably is. :D
 
EDIT: - From Today's Daily reckoning, Bill Bonner.
Not sure exactly why i posted it, a few ales and these things can happen

*** Compound Effort Over Time

In a previous Daily Reckoning, we offered dear readers a look at one of our principles of financial success. “Financial Escape Velocity” we called it.

Today, we give you one of our principles of success in life: “Compound Effort Over Time.” You’ve heard of the ‘miracle of compound interest.’ Well, there’s a similar miracle at work in the rest of life...

“I’m about ready to give up,” said Jules (23) over the telephone.

The young man graduated from college two years ago. He could have easily entered the family business. Instead, he decided to try to make his career in one of the world’s most difficult métiers – as a singer, musician, songwriter.

He moved to Brooklyn, which seems to attract young musicians like London attracts fund managers. He took courses at Julliard conservatory. He wrote songs. He put them on the internet. He sang on ‘open mike’ nights in clubs and bars.

But after 6 months, it didn’t seem to be going anywhere.

Meanwhile, his sister, Maria, voices similar disappointment and impatience.

She too has chosen a difficult career; she trained as an actress, moved to LA, and had – like her brother – approached her career in a disciplined, organized way.

But these are not careers where discipline and organization come easily or pay off readily. There are no fixed hours. And no fixed route to professional advancement. Half the work you do, at least it seems to us, is just figuring out what work to do.

Maria has had some success on TV and the movies. But she hasn’t gotten the major roles she hopes for.

“I’ve been in LA for two years already. I’m going to keep at it for another 3 years, according to my plan. But if it still isn’t working, I’m going to have to find something else to do.”

It’s a rough life. Maria lives in a tiny studio apartment and works from dawn to dusk trying to get acting jobs. She supports herself, barely, by doing modelling work on the side. Jules, meanwhile, is literally a starving artist, working one day a week as a handyman to help pay the bills.

We don’t know how others do it, but our children couldn’t afford to be starving artists without family support. Rents are too high. Health care... transportation –if they were forced to pay 100% of their living costs, they’d have to give up on their artistic careers and find other lines of work.

The point we are making is that success doesn’t always come immediately. And it’s not easy to sustain a career that doesn’t provide quick, positive feedback. But in our experience, it pays to stay the course.

Starting out in life, young people are practically interchangeable parts. They leave school not knowing much of anything. If they can read and write clearly, they have an advantage over most college graduates.

But school doesn’t prepare them very well for real life. School problems are bounded, controlled, and simplified. Usually, they are idealized, with the confusing parts taken out. In history, for example, they are taught broad themes... and specific ‘facts.’ But the sequence of events in real life doesn’t follow simple scripts. Instead, it is endlessly complex.

Historical characters are like stick figures, heroes or villains according to the storyline. In real life, they are like the people we know personally – they have their positive qualities and their negative ones; they perform well in some circumstances and poorly in others. They are neither good nor bad... but subject to influence.

That’s why you cannot make a good history out of recent events: you know it too well!

In every discipline, the phenomenon is the same – in school, the complexities of real life are removed so that students can be tested on set groups of memorable, learnable, understandable bits of stripped down, sanitized ‘knowledge.’

That is why more education does not always lead to more success in the real world. In fact, it could go in the opposite direction. The better you get at handling the artificial world of academia, the worse you may do at solving the real world’s infinitely nuanced challenges.

Problem solving in the academic world typically involves a part of the brain – but only a part of the brain. It is the ‘rational’ part... the part that remembers facts, reads, writes, and connects the dots. That is the skill measured by the SAT tests, for example. They are tests of ‘scholastic aptitude’. And they are pretty good at it. If you able to do the kind of tricks the tests require, you’ll be able to handle the kind of work they give you in school.

But life sends very different tests your way. Life’s tests involve many, many more variables – so many that your ‘rational’ mind is frequently overwhelmed. The human face, for example, is capable of hundreds... or thousands... of different expressions. Some people seem better able to read these messages than others.

In the world of textbooks, other people scarcely matter. You read. You write. You check the boxes. But once you get into a workplace, you are faced with an entirely new test. How well can you get along with others, motivate them, lead them?

In school, tests are anticipated. In real life, you never know when you will be tested. You never know what you will be tested on. And even when you are in the middle of an important test, you often don’t know it.

In some careers you are able to apply the body of knowledge you picked up in school, but not many. In most careers, you have to learn on the job -- a new body of knowledge, often additional, sometimes completely new and different. And unless your job is to throw the switch on a toll bridge, or to collect tolls on a toll road, your new knowledge is likely to involve a great many things that are uncertain... unknowable... and variable.

Even in ‘routine’ careers there is still plenty of room for career advancement and money-making. But it requires you to step beyond the routine. If you are a school teacher, for example, you might have to write a book on education... or start a school of your own. Or, if you are a carpenter, you could set up a carpentry business... or use your skills to build something rare and interesting enough that it could be sold at high margin... or mass produced.

Generally, the more formulaic the work, the less scope for making money at it. The more limited, that is to say, the more like school any job is, the less likely you are to turn it into a source of wealth, power, or outsize success.

But assuming you are doing something that is not routine, not formulaic, and not limited (an assembly-line worker, for example, may be able to earn a good living... but it is not a way to build a fortune), what is the secret to making a success of it? Ah, glad you asked. At least part of the secret is sticking to it. Here’s why...

If your work is not simple and not formulaic, you need to use a fair amount of creative thinking, innovation and entrepreneurship to get ahead. Sometimes your work can be reduced to simple, school-like thinking. More often, it is more complex... involving subtle judgments about people... guesses about how others will react... mastering new technology and leadership skills needed to get others to follow your plan, and so forth. It may involve raising money... ‘selling’ your ideas... taking a chance on a new career or a new business... convincing clients to leave their habitual sources... or convincing employees to work harder... or better.

You may have to develop a new product. Or, maybe you have an insight that tells you how to invest your firm’s resources more productively.

Whatever it is, it is likely to require more than your ‘school brain’ to make it happen. It is likely to involve wisdom... intuition... and ‘people skills.’ It is likely to require more of you – your brain... your personality... your heart. And maybe soul too.

It is likely to require trusted contacts, seasoned hunches, educated guesses…

Where do these things come from?

Malcolm Gladwell’s book, ‘Outliers’, makes the point that there is no secret to success. Successful people just put in more hours than other people. Our point today is similar. Success is usually the product of compound effort over time. It takes time to develop contacts. It takes time to develop trust – both of your own team and outside clients/customers/associates. It takes time and experience to develop the hunches and instincts that are useful in real life. It takes time too to understand other people and learn how to work with them. It also takes time to build a foundation of human and financial capital that allows you to take advantage of the insights and opportunities that experience bring you.

Time does not work in a linear, mathematical way. As with compound interest, time pays off geometrically. As contacts, experiences, wisdom, innovations and intuition are added one to another, your opportunities multiply. A $100,000 deal that you might have done when you were 25 grows into a $1 million deal 5 years later. And instead of doing two deals a year... you might do 10 a year.

This is also why it is so important to put in lots of time. Gladwell refers to the Beatles, major league athletes and people such a Bill Gates. In every case, he found that the leading figures in their industries put in thousands of hours – usually far more than their competitors. They may appear to be ‘gifted.’ Their achievements may seem effortless. But they are almost always the product of time.

Not only that, but the time spent at the end is much more powerful than the time at the beginning. You can see this by looking at charts of compound interest. Starting from a low base, the first series of compound interest produce little difference. But at the end, the results are spectacular.

Start with a penny. Double it every day. At the end of a week you are still only adding 32 cents per day. By the end of the third week, however, you’re adding more than $10,000 per day. So you see, the last increments of time are much more important than the first.

It doesn’t exactly work that way in real life, of course. Hang around too long and you get tired... and the lessons you’ve learned might not be applicable to the new realities. Suppose, for example, that you had learned to make the perfect buggy whip, at age 55, in 1910! Or imagine that you were the leading expert on silent movies... just before the ‘talkies’ started. Or maybe you were cornering the classified advertising market... just as Craigslist and e-Bay made their appearance.

But aside from that kind of a setback, time compounds your advantages. At age 20, you may know less than everyone in your business. But then, you work 10 hours a day, while others only work 8 hours. In 20 years, you may know more than just about anyone. Then, who gets the new contracts? Who finds the new opportunities? Who has pricing power?

Who makes money?

Compound interest works because each addition is then put in service to earn another increment of gain. Compound effort works the same way. Every insight, innovation and useful contact helps bring on another, bigger and better one.

Remember, success is competitive. While you are adding to your business capital, your competitors tend to wear out... move on... or retire. Sticking to it is not easy. People tend to get distracted. They often want easier, simpler, faster opportunities. They give up their accumulated capital... and take up something new. That leaves you in a commanding position.

Stick to it."""
 
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