Setups 2 - the popcorn thread

[glyder]

TD, thanks for the further update and detail.

I'd kind of always half expected that SB Co's would be reading these sites as a part of their basic market research.
It still doesn't mean they can trip up every set up, but still like you say the manipulation runs deep. I of course don't know what you have encountered but I've seen enough over the years to have my suspicions that certain 'training gurus' seemed to be working hand in glove with them trying to pull in suckers on behalf of them and themselves. I'm sure several trading 'teaching' companies are a part of it too. Its depressing, like the bucket shops in 'Reminiscences' and should have been stamped out by regulation by now. But as I have said before, read the SB's ToB, they differ from firm to firm but some really are a charter for ripping off punters, despite what the FSA best ex rules say.

Thanks for all the straightforward good honest help and assistance you've input for so many over the years, all the best to you.

 

[N Rothschild]

Well, I've had a few days break from T2W and found it really refreshing! I just read the other thread discussing whether this one should end...and all the slander about me that's been spread on it which I have to say has amused me no end.

I thought I'd make a quick post on here because although I PM'd a lot of people at the time, I'm sure a few slipped through the net.

Firstly, I've not blown my account. Infact, I made a new account high only last week. Such rumours are completely ridiculous.

Secondly, although I think that Genics starting this thread was a pretty unimaginative, trite and immature thing to do right after I asked for the old one to be closed, I accept that I don't have any kind of control over who decides to post what, nor would I want it. I don't own this PA strategy. All I have done is explain how I trade it.

I closed the thread for two reasons. Number 1: You all know the setups by now and don't I believe, need your hands held, asking the opinions of others as to where you should put your stop and whether a trade is worth taking. Particularly when half the people that post are trading on differing time frames with differing perspectives and attitudes towards risk and reward.The answers to a lot of the questions regarding trading the hourly and daily TF are in the original thread and anyone that spends the time to read it, will know them. Ultimately it is down to the individual to stand on their own two feet and I think it was in the best interests of everyone for me to stand aside and let them do that. At the same time, I would like to concentrate on my own setups more rather than holding everyone elses hand all the time.

Secondly, I did it because I really don't want to take any chances in my trading. My account is getting big enough that I am no longer "under the radar" when I trade with some firms. I am not a paranoid freak that thinks the big boys are out to fade my setups. I understand that my last post on PS was somewhat sketchy but that is partly due to the mood I was in when I wrote it. At any rate: to CLARIFY:

I'm not here to start the rumour mill circulating all over again. I will say just one thing to try and clear things up: It is a FACT that PS was being monitored. As are other threads in a similar vein on ET and FF.

It was being monitored by dealers and traders that work for Spreadbet companies. It was being monitored by traders and brokers at very large firms. How do I know this? It was clarified for me in three ways: Firstly by several dealers at SB firms that approached me and told me (some openly, some not so) on what they were doing, secondly by a close friend I have in the industry who has seen my thread being monitored first hand by a very large brokerage and thirdly by some of the mods here at T2W.

I don't know why its being monitored. Nor do I really care. All I am sure of is that these firms aren't learning how to trade PA. That you can be damn sure of.

Perhaps they are reading it because this strategy is popular and although its as old as the hills, its gaining a lot of popularity recently and it pays to be aware of what "the herd" are doing and looking at. Everyone on Potential Setups became the herd, representing what the herd was seeing and doing. I've seen a lot of sh*t in my time trading including one big trader that if he wants to get short in a market, he is not comfortable until he has checked sentiment on ET, T2W and YouTube and made sure that everyone is bullish. That is another FACT and simply not something I want to be a part of. It makes me laugh sometimes when I see people saying "yeah Dante, sure the big boys are going to be interested in whats being said on your thread on T2W"...you can think what you like...you honestly have no idea of who is reading that thread. I, however, do.

Finally, I was approached a while back by some people in the SB industry that approached me for rather nefarious purposes and it was clear to me that the level of manipulation runs deep. (nothing new there) and I no longer want to be discussing what I am doing all the time. Unfortunately I cannot say anymore than that because the same people that approached me are probably reading this. You can either take my word for it or you can continue to gossip about me and spread bullsh*t. Whichever is up to you.

I'm not leaving T2W and will still continue to post, just wanted to take a backseat for now - particularly from this thread. I am still around and will help anyone that asks via PM. I wish all of you the best with your trading. Work at it and you will get there.

If the mods feel this post should go at the end of the other discussion thread, that is fine with me. A copy in both would be good.

Tom

why would you tell people close to you (who obvviously have big mouths) that you have blown up if it wasn't true?

Yeh i saw some of those pm's regarding your account blow up.

Anyway its nothing personal i just dislike that he misleads people all the time and i guess im one of the few people who call him on it.

 

[N Rothschild]

dante has alot to answer for IMO. Red is an undisclosed member of this forum..

 

[squall321]

lotsa drama on this forum huh

 

[Calinor]

Anonymous people are always so reliable aren't they

Whoever this person is Genics, they are called private messages for good reason. The fact that this person shares private messages I assume without trader_dante's permission doesn't make me hold them in much regard. Besides, I can tell people a lot of things, and not all of them are true. Maybe it was a wind-up, and maybe not. If trader_dante did blow up, then that doesn't invalidate everything that he has written. I suppose if you feel that you are revealing the truth, then that part is admirable Genics, but you should have all the facts first. And one anonymous member posting some PMs isn't proof. He denies he has blown up. He is the only one that really knows for sure.

I still think there was an over-reaction about big trader's fading the potential setups thread and looking for your stops.Traders are always interested in where the stops are, and can probably tell to a decent degree with out the potential setups thread. Pin bars, and the type of setups in that thread are not new, as has been said. And it doesn't surprise me that brokers, traders and whoever else monitors the potential setups, because I read dozens of things on several sites and in print each day. That in itself doesn't mean much. There are brokers and spreadbet agents on the site, so no surprise things are monitored on here or ET or FF. But what I don't believe is that they are reading the potential setups and automatically fading every setup (because that would be crazy), or attempting to move huge markets in Forex to try to stop out some spreadbetters. Anyway, trader_dante has his reasons, and has outlined them above. Whether we agree with them or not doesn't really matter. If he feels it might be harmful to his trading, then the obvious and sensible action is for him to not post setups.

 

[Depth Trade]

 

[maq]

suscribe

 

[N Rothschild]

Anonymous people are always so reliable aren't they

Whoever this person is Genics, they are called private messages for good reason. The fact that this person shares private messages I assume without trader_dante's permission doesn't make me hold them in much regard. Besides, I can tell people a lot of things, and not all of them are true. Maybe it was a wind-up, and maybe not. If trader_dante did blow up, then that doesn't invalidate everything that he has written. I suppose if you feel that you are revealing the truth, then that part is admirable Genics, but you should have all the facts first. And one anonymous member posting some PMs isn't proof. He denies he has blown up. He is the only one that really knows for sure.

I still think there was an over-reaction about big trader's fading the potential setups thread and looking for your stops.Traders are always interested in where the stops are, and can probably tell to a decent degree with out the potential setups thread. Pin bars, and the type of setups in that thread are not new, as has been said. And it doesn't surprise me that brokers, traders and whoever else monitors the potential setups, because I read dozens of things on several sites and in print each day. That in itself doesn't mean much. There are brokers and spreadbet agents on the site, so no surprise things are monitored on here or ET or FF. But what I don't believe is that they are reading the potential setups and automatically fading every setup (because that would be crazy), or attempting to move huge markets in Forex to try to stop out some spreadbetters. Anyway, trader_dante has his reasons, and has outlined them above. Whether we agree with them or not doesn't really matter. If he feels it might be harmful to his trading, then the obvious and sensible action is for him to not post setups.

without his permision? since when did you need permision to talk about someone? and FYI the person aloud me to post it..whats the matter, all you wanabes cant take it your hero might be a fraud?

 

[megamuel]

Haha this is cool....Wait a min let me get my popcorn....

 

[squall321]

there might have to be a rumble

 

[Depth Trade]

without his permision? since when did you need permision to talk about someone? and FYI the person aloud me to post it..whats the matter, all you wanabes cant take it your hero might be a fraud?

Wow!! That video almost knocked me out of my chair, no BS.

 

[tafita]

TD, please confirm or deny whether you manipulated the wannabes in the manner that Genics suggests. Also, what happened with you leaving Futex and why were you stuck on their training simulator for so long? Did they ask you to leave? Could you not turn a profit for them? Newbies ought to know the answers to these questions.

 

[Calinor]

without his permision? since when did you need permision to talk about someone? and FYI the person aloud me to post it..whats the matter, all you wanabes cant take it your hero might be a fraud?

trader_dante is not my hero, I don't even know him. That would go for pretty much everyone on trade2win, it is a website. I don't even trade pinbar/potential setups from that thread, but that isn't all that his posts were useful for. Some people's posts I like, and some I respect because they are intelligent and show knowledge, but I can't imagine making someone from a website who I've never met a hero .

You misunderstand what I am saying about permission. If I write a private message to someone, that message is private. I wouldn't want that person revealing the contents of my private message without my permission. Some might not mind, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. It is discourteous. You implied trader_dante wrote a private message to someone, and you had seen the contents of that private message, which showed that he had blown up. I am not interested in who allowed (not aloud) you to post that snippet of conversation above which proved nothing.

TD, please confirm or deny whether you manipulated the wannabes in the manner that Genics suggests. Also, what happened with you leaving Futex and why were you stuck on their training simulator for so long? Did they ask you to leave? Could you not turn a profit for them? Newbies ought to know the answers to these questions.

Newbies ought to work hard, read and think about, maybe even test if they can, but certainly not believe blindly. And then try to discern what is truthful and what is useful for themselves.

 

[tafita]

Newbies ought to work hard, read and think about but not necessarily believe, and try to discern what is truthful and what is useful for themselves.

traders who show newbies set ups should have an impeccable track record and not post set ups that are not taken as well as manipulate noobs for their own gain. The market will always have it's fair share of suckers and people who will profit from them I suppose.

OK, let me give you a scenario. An estate agent comes to you as a first time buyer and says I have the perfect house for you. I buy these sorts of houses all the time for my own portfolio. You buy the house, but then the housing market crashes. You then find out that your estate agent stopped buying houses some time before even though he told you and his other clients to buy, was asked to leave a previous estate agents for mysterious reasons who forced him to buy and sell houses on a virtual version of monopoly for almost a year and who actively encouraged his clients to not buy houses that where desireable to protect his own portfolio of properties. Is this guy a hero or a villain?

 

[N Rothschild]

trader_dante is not my hero, I don't even know him. That would go for pretty much everyone on trade2win, it is a website. I don't even trade pinbar/potential setups from that thread, but that isn't all that his posts were useful for. Some people's posts I like, and some I respect because they are intelligent and show knowledge, but I can't imagine making someone from a website who I've never met a hero .

You misunderstand what I am saying about permission. If I write a private message to someone, that message is private. I wouldn't want that person revealing the contents of my private message without my permission. Some might not mind, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. It is discourteous. You implied trader_dante wrote a private message to someone, and you had seen the contents of that private message, which showed that he had blown up. I am not interested in who allowed (not aloud) you to post that snippet of conversation above which proved nothing.



Newbies ought to work hard, read and think about, maybe even test if they can, but certainly not believe blindly. And then try to discern what is truthful and what is useful for themselves.

that was a PM between myself and someone else not dante

 

[Calinor]

So you mean that you haven't seen the contents of a PM from trader_dante in which he states he has blown up? If you haven't then I have misunderstood what you were implying. But then also why presume that he blew up?

 

[N Rothschild]

**** me, yes i have but thats not what i posted. and the pm's i saw was him going mental about it leaking he blew up.

 

[glyder]

Bloody hell, this is a load of old tittle tattle on here. What are you all like?

What does any of it matter. What if his set ups were good or bad? Do your own research.
That was the point learn to trade not learn to copy.
Learn to take responsibility.
Themethod taught in MMT thread was sound enough. The original potential set ups thread allowed you to post set ups on any method and time frame. It was basic info to learn from and use if you thought it was any good. I'm talking here
about all the posts on that site, by everyone. not just TDs.
Thats what it was about. Its just a thread for potential set ups. And a lot of good info was posted there. Choice was yours whether to follow it or not.
Noone, TD or otherwise has to declare their reasons for being in or leaving a job, nor whether they have or haven't blown up. That is not a part of the deal, its crazy to think it is.

I'm going to try and avoid reading anymore on this thread , its a bit pointless.
(But strangely compulsive....can I really stay away? ).

 

[GammaJammer]

Yeah that's what I think - a bit like watching a soap opera - it's unrealistic, plots are staged, dialogue is at times frankly retarded but it's sometimes compelling. Oh 0 and ultimately you don't hugely care about the outcome and it has little or no impact on 'real' life.

So which one is Babs Windsor?

 

[timsk]

TD, please confirm or deny whether you manipulated the wannabes in the manner that Genics suggests. Also, what happened with you leaving Futex and why were you stuck on their training simulator for so long? Did they ask you to leave? Could you not turn a profit for them? Newbies ought to know the answers to these questions.

tafita,
I'm sorry to say that you are very, very misguided.
While newbies (and everyone else for that matter) may well be very interested in the answers to these questions, it's ridiculous to suggest they 'ought' to know the answers to them. Even if Futex booted t_d out and he's blown every account he's ever had, it makes not a jot of difference to his posts on here. Conversely, if he's the 'star' trader at Futex - it doesn't make his posts here (or elsewhere) any more valid. Anyone who believes otherwise fails completely to understand the purpose of forums like T2W. But tafita, I have some good news for you and anyone else of a like mind. I have blown my account which, I guess, provides you with the justification you require to ignore this post and, indeed, all the other posts I've made on T2W. timsk has blown his account, ergo everything he writes is total shyte! Everything I write may well be total shyte, but that has nothing to do with me blowing my account!
Tim.