Seems Secker has been getting a bit of press attention. Usual story, he makes nothing from trading, the organisation exists to sell courses to mugs.
m.guardian.co.uk
m.guardian.co.uk
DionysusToast
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Good to see mainstream press looking into stuff like this...
I think there will be plenty more to come about the rest of them.
counter_violent
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How much did you hand over then? That's probably the real story here
They got nothing from me, how much did T2W get from Secker for the partner offer?
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Must of made a fair amount, if i recall correctly the trade2win homepage used to plastered with adverts for upcoming ''K2A Trader's University' seminars.
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wackypete2
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How come the Guardian article doesn't "disappear" like the t2w posts and threads?
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No conflict of interest, as someone has already alluded to.
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How would I know...best you ask them.
So, come on, how much are you into him for, or is it the other way around? Maybe you start all these threads and subsequent bumps to generate traffic for their services....now there's a thought.
How would I know...best you ask them.
So, come on, how much are you into him for, or is it the other way around? Maybe you start all these threads and subsequent bumps to generate traffic for their services....now there's a thought.
I dont know what you mean by 'into him' but I will explain my dealings with him. Around 2006 when I was starting out I went to his free seminar and foolishly parted with a deposit for his course as I had seen him advertised on a supposedly independent trading forum which shall remain nameless. However I began to do some background checking and discovered that a magazine award he claimed to have was in fact from a magazine that didn't exist. I then checked his live trading room results in detail and found that they were claiming newly deposited funds as profits.
When I realised what was going on I rang to complain about these inconsistencies they immediately said 'no refunds', I said I didnt want a refund I just wanted to tell them that when I turned up at the course I was going to tell everyone else there what I had found. They then said I obviously wasnt the right sort of person for their course and refunded me immediately. I never heard from them again.
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the hare
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Do you think they'd tell me ?
Would it help if I told them you'd suggested it ?
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Do you think they'd tell me ?
Would it help if I told them you'd suggested it ?
Do what you like, no skin off my nose matey
The world operates mainly under the capitalist system. Winners losers rich poor powerful powerless and a whole mix of different people at differing levels within.
It seems to me that everyone has a place within this model, and you can be sure that they are all in their rightful place...how could it be any other way ! So if someone is destined to be a victim within the system...then who am I to argue
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That's a rather simplistic argument. Lets just take fraud for example, which is common enough in our game.
At one end of the spectrum, you might have a group of individual's running a particular con. Even amongst this group you have some sort of ethical boundaries, some participants might be comfortable with taking someone's life savings, but not prepared to commit murder to make a profit etc, others may be prepared to do almost anything !.
At the other end of the spectrum, you have individuals who may wish to warn others of the dangers, or offer practical support etc.
In the middle, you have entities who may draw the line at personally committing fraud, but are happy to provide a support to those who do, and again, thats a broad spectrum.
Everyone gets a choice where they'd like to be. Secker has made a choice, Mr Sharky made a choice, you and other members of t2w staff made a choice, and clearly you are all comfortable with the decision you made, and thats cool. But thats not destiny, its a choice.
You could have chosen to take a similar role to pboyles, or a similar role to secker. Only you get to decide where you are most comfortable on that particular spectrum.
I'm not making any sort of value judgement on which end of that spectrum is good or bad, acceptable or unacceptable behaviour, or where the boundary lies, but one thing for sure, its not destiny, its personal choice, and you have to take responsibility for that.
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Broadly speaking I agree with the hare. However, while he made clear he wasn't making a value judgement, I don't think it's possible to have this discussion without factoring value judgements into the equation. After all, we all make them, both about ourselves and about others. And that's when it gets complicated because, as the saying goes, 'one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter'.
Tim.
I believe that the extreme cases are choices but the in-between ones are the result of some ability that a person has in life to become successful in his profession. Most people are run of mill, they have little or no choice but they have dreams and that is where the danger, for them, lies.
PBoyles did not have a choice. PBoyles is. I have three children. They are as different as chalk and cheese. They have no choice in being the way they are. They are and that's that.
Well this is why I always post the evidence and not opinion. I mean if you claim to be world trading champion you either are, or you arent, its not a question of how people regard you, you won it or you didnt, its a fact not an opinion.
Anyhow when's this getting deleted? I heard a rumour there's another one in the offing that'll make this look a bit lame.
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Did he learn about trading in flight school with the other guy?
The real point that comes from the article is what I've been saying now for years -
RESEARCH WHAT YOU'RE REALLY BUYING AND WHO YOU'RE REALLY DOING BUSINESS WITH.
Do that with Secker and you'll find loads of interesting material that just doesn't stack up. Don't research however, and listen and get taken in by the slick sales tactics (I'd actually refer to it as vomit inducing) and you cannot blame him when you fail to make the easy money the sales process 'promised' you.
YOU'VE ALL BEEN WARNED
RESEARCH WHAT YOU'RE REALLY BUYING AND WHO YOU'RE REALLY DOING BUSINESS WITH.
Do that with Secker and you'll find loads of interesting material that just doesn't stack up. Don't research however, and listen and get taken in by the slick sales tactics (I'd actually refer to it as vomit inducing) and you cannot blame him when you fail to make the easy money the sales process 'promised' you.
YOU'VE ALL BEEN WARNED
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i knew it would be an online version, because you don't go outside to grab a real copy. Go outside chappy!
