Please convince me that technical analysis works

AriaS

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Through the years I backtested hundreds Expert Advisors based on technical analysis. None of them was actually profitable. Most were simply optimized to a certain time period. The only thing that will convince me is if I see an old account (verified on Myfxbook) that uses technical analysis and is profitable.
 
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Backtesting, in my opinion, doesn't work well because usually the results are not convicing, or it'll become bad in practice even if it appears to be good. That statistic study used in academics doesn't work well most of the time in the markets, because many things are happening at the same time, so when your trading setup is aligned with other information that you're not watching, you'll probably have a gain, and when you aren't, it'll definitely produce a loss. So, why should I care with technical analysis in the first place? For me, the main purpose of technical analysis is not "to work" but to be a analysis tool, like fundamental analysis. It's a tool. People who like fundamental analysis love to ridiculize technical analysis, but, let's be honest here: if fundamental analysis was the "thing", wouldn't everyone out there be rich? Both are tools. And like any tool, you have to use them and find a way that works for you. The difference here is that using a hammer is not that hard, but those analysis tools are damn hard to master it. It could be compared to learn how to use the Japanese martial arts weapon called nunchaku. You'll hurt yourself many times in order to learn how to use it.

So, how do you use technicaly analysis in a way that actually works? I wish I had a simple answer for that, but the more I learn about it and the market itself, the more I understand it's more like a complex art that everyone has to master it for themselves. It's a lonely path. That's because it depends on many things. Do you want to be a position, swing or daytrader? Do you want to trade only one financial instrument or many at the same time? Do you want to trade other markets like the options market too? The more you approach the price of "now", the harder it is. Yes, day trading is the most difficult of them.

Anyway, in terms of understanding the market, it started to work for me when I was aware of many charts at the same time. Instead of making isolated studies in one chart specifically, you should start with the monthly chart, understand it, then go to the weekly chart and do the same thing, and then the daily chart, and you decide where you stop.

In terms of trading itself, you should always trade in a slower time frame inside a longer time frame trend. The daily 20 moving average is (almost) the same as the 5 moving average of the weekly chart. So you have to think you're trading in the weekly chart through the daily chart (synchronize the charts). In day trading, I'm trading the daily chart through the 60 minutes through the 15 minutes chart, then 5 and 1 minute chart, like filtering.

Also, I will never trade like "buying 1 tick higher than that candle's high" but "buying 1 tick lower that candle's low". With that, you're always taking a position when someone thinks it's time to reverse or is giving up their position. It means: liquidity time. That's what people are looking for.

Be careful with reversions. What causes reversions are (example of a reversion to downtrend): 1) a breakout with the close price higher than the resistance level, 2) violations of previous highs, 3) divergence in the RSI and/ou stochastic, 4) a higher timeframe synchronizing a new close in a point of demand excess, starting a new candle distant from the moving averages (the most important point), like a breakout in the daily chart in the friday, for example, or even better: in the last day of the month. What moves a chart is always a chart above it.

Anyway, there is no such a thing like "does it work?" It's like asking if a hammer works. You have to find a way that works for you based on your objectives and worldview. It doesn't mean you have to use it. If you prefer something else, like fundamental analysis, go for it. :)
 
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Indicator-based TA is mostly horseshit. Indicators just crunch old data trying to predict future movements but lots of people swear by them.
If you want the truth about TA, look up Inner Circle Trader on YouTube.

I won't lie, most people think the concepts have too many moving parts - dealing ranges, fair value gaps, breakers, premium/discount opening range gaps, order blocks and so much more - but if you're willing to commit 6 months of study every single day, going back over old data and seeing the things he tells you are there, you will start making consistent profit......and not a single indicator in sight

All depends on how much you really want it
 
Technical analysis is there to tell you at what levels you should get in and or out, I have been a technical trader since 2019, I could not trade any other way. You need to come up with a solid strategy that is repeatable and can offer you a good probability of a higher risk multiple. Fundamental analysis can work too as long as you know when to cut losses. A lot easier to do looking at a chart.
 
Technical analysis is real. But using it to make a profit is difficult. This makes many doubt that it works. This viewpoint just proves that people can be wrong about two different things at the same time - it says something about people but nothing about technical analysis.
 
Interesting topic as always. Does technical analysis work? That depends on what you mean by "work"? Is a specific methodology going to play out as expected 100% of the time? Maybe not...just like popping popcorn on a stove. All the kernels are experiencing the same conditions, but a few usually don't pop within the optimal cooking time, and some not at all. The market is dynamic and responds to changes in global conditions daily. There are methods that would generate upwards of a 90% success rate, if you as the trader can execute it consistently. Using robots can help, but over time, they can begin to fail because they do not really respond to market changes. In comes the world of AI trading...more things to consider.

Personally, I have placed 23 consecutive trades, one per day, and each one performed exactly as expected. Can't say that TA doesn't work....and the 24th trade did not work because I did not follow...I broke one of my rules. And may I add...I am using the same method 12+ years later. How do I know it works? I have taught others, and it works for them too....so it's not just working for me.

Maybe you're really looking for a quality system...don't know. All trading methods are not the same as far as their reliability goes. All I can say here is that, yes, good methods do exist, and technical analysis does work. As the saying goes, "A tool is only as effective as the person using it." Having proper training and the right understanding of the markets and price action are key. Can't separate the trader from the results.

Hope you find what you're looking for...


FX4Newbies
 
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Interesting topic as always. Does technical analysis work? That depends on what you mean by "work"? Is a specific methodology going to play out as expected 100% of the time? Maybe not...just like popping popcorn on a stove. All the kernels are experiencing the same conditions, but a few usually don't pop within the optimal cooking time, and some not at all. The market is dynamic and responds to changes in global conditions daily. There are methods that would generate upwards of a 90% success rate, if you as the trader can execute it consistently. Using robots can help, but over time, they can begin to fail because they do not really respond to market changes. In comes the world of AI trading...more things to consider.

Personally, I have placed 23 consecutive trades, one per day, and each one performed exactly as expected. Can't say that TA doesn't work....and the 24th trade did not work because I did not follow...I broke one of my rules. And may I add...I am using the same method 12+ years later. How do I know it works? I have taught others, and it works for them too....so it's not just working for me.

Maybe you're really looking for a quality system...don't know. All trading methods are not the same as far as their reliability goes. All I can say here is that, yes, good methods do exist, and technical analysis does work. As the saying goes, "A tool is only as effective as the person using it." Having proper training and the right understanding of the markets and price action are key. Can't separate the trader from the results.

Hope you find what you're looking for...


FX4Newbies
Wow, the same method for 12 years? Very impressive!
You’re absolutely right but I think it is important for the trader and the strategy to evolve with the market. Did you ever face any difficulty coping with such a volatile market?
 
TA is a lagging indicator and has litte input into any market other than a speculative confirmation of a continuing trend imo.

TA can confirm direction / trend of an instrument but when one piece of fundamental piece of news or a data set released, it can all change direction of any market in a second when traders all over the globe react to it.

Here is one example... https://www.reuters.com/markets/asi...supply-chain-disruptions-analysts-2024-04-03/

Unless one can factor in an earthquake into TA and analysis on chip makers and all the various consumer goods that depend on it, will have an impact on prices, demand supply and profits at the end of the day.

TA is simply a tool for analysis as said before and it is FA that is crucial in determining valuations and movements in markets imho.
 
Wow, the same method for 12 years? Very impressive!
You’re absolutely right but I think it is important for the trader and the strategy to evolve with the market. Did you ever face any difficulty coping with such a volatile market?
Appreciate your feedback ChelseaR,

No difficulty whatsoever! I even trade news with it, sometimes entering just before the announcement. When you truly understand how price behaves, most market moves would not surprise you. I asked a bank teller once, "How can you tell the counterfeit from real money." She said, "We handle the real stuff so much that the minute we touch the counterfeit, we can tell." Not calling other trading methods counterfeits, but just wanting to make the point, that when you understand how the market actually moves and why it has to do so, it's all good: very few surprises. As I always say to traders, "When you don't know something, and you don't know that you don't know, but need to know, how are you going to know how to fix what you don't know about, that needs fixing?"

There are certain things that must happen for the market to continue to "survive," and those things never really change.

Take care,


FX4Newbies
 
TA is a lagging indicator and has litte input into any market other than a speculative confirmation of a continuing trend imo.

TA can confirm direction / trend of an instrument but when one piece of fundamental piece of news or a data set released, it can all change direction of any market in a second when traders all over the globe react to it.

Here is one example... https://www.reuters.com/markets/asi...supply-chain-disruptions-analysts-2024-04-03/

Unless one can factor in an earthquake into TA and analysis on chip makers and all the various consumer goods that depend on it, will have an impact on prices, demand supply and profits at the end of the day.

TA is simply a tool for analysis as said before and it is FA that is crucial in determining valuations and movements in markets imho.
Hi Atilla,

Thanks for stopping by and sharing your thoughts.

Good points made about FA because we are trading markets that are connected to the real world, where the prices are driven by the beliefs and emotions of people. News of course and global events can change things immediately...but even that is "controlled". How do you explain price dropping quickly during news, and it just stops and turns at a line that is on the chart in advance of the news?

TA includes more than lagging indicators. It also includes some tools indicating where price is likely to go in advance...with great accuracy. I do hear the argument a lot that indicators lag the market, and that is because they depend on historical prices to complete calculations. However, if used correctly, they are very accurate to show what is likely to happen next. Let me ask a question, "Can yesterday's newspaper, give you information that can help you today?" I say yes.

The problem imo is when traders use indicators in a way for which they were not designed. Another issue is when traders try to isolate one aspect of the market and trade based on the information from that one trading approach. BIG MISTAKE! ALL methods have blind spots. If you don't examine the market as a whole to assess what is really happening, you're missing too much.

The analysis doesn't have to take forever, but the trader needs to know what to look for WHEN, WHERE and at what PRICE!

Take care,


FX4Newbies
 
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Hi AriaS...I hope you don't mind.

Just asking a general question here to everyone...what do you think a good Technical Analysis (TA) method should do or provide?
 
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