looking for a backer for my program code

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hi this is jayjay121 here,

i have been forward testing grey1 vwap128 code that was given to me by him. I have been testing since 18th december 2008 so not long but the results are good so far. I still have the commercial website online but i am not using it no longer and have not trained or sold any software what so ever and i have had countless emails and interest to do which i have turned down. I do not wish to sell anything no longer and it was a bad idea and the flack i recieved did affect me.

I have a succesful system/code and do not need to sell anything, also i have thought long and hard about this and i do not wish to effect my codes performance and fills by selling the code or tools, so i can assure mods and all that nothing is for sale here from me as i only want to be a trader and the people who really know me know that is true.

The problem i have is i need capital to trade this code as it cannot be done with a small fund. There is a concept called minimum fund concept which proves those with small funds simply cannot make it in the trading arena and i beleive that to be true. I have some funds of my own and enough to trade spreadbet but the fills and overall return would be effected and even though the system returns over 100% a year based on what iraj has done in the last couple of years, it would still not be a good enough return based on a small bank which i have.

I have approach a prop house with this code and took my pc desktop to them for an interview a week ago and they wanted the code as part of their 60/40 profit split but they wanted to try to optimize and code it using their cqg platform. I had a disagreement with them over the code not needing optimizing as drawdowns are part and parcel of trading and infact the best systems out there have large drawdowns. I said to them what the most important factor is the positive expectancy of the system and that many system designers cannot achived this in 10 years of trying. They agreed but stated that they needed to see individual drawdown data so they could backtest and optimize and code for use on their platforms. Anyway i felt that they did not fully understand me nor the code and personally i feel trying to reduce drawdown too much is not a good thing as if you have something that is positive why change?, and from my own experience this is the wrong way to go as over optimizing only curve fits and renders system useless. Also i have done my own testing on this and infact frequency and compounding are the keys not over optimizing imo. I used to try to trade using a 80% or higher win rate but in my experience it did not work as markets are random and fundamental always takes priorty. You can have many small stops that eventaully amount to one big loss or more, where as if you use a wider stop based on volatility then you give the code its much needed room. I felt the prop house knew not much of system design too and this is why i was reluctant to work with them.

So what i am looking for is for some investor to back me on a 60/40 profit share in my favour. The minimum we need to make return fantastic is £50k. This is a big ask you may say but the code was designed by the best around in grey1 and from what ive seen in real time forward logs the code is positive expectancy and has a edge. The edge continues in a monte carlo sim test and the remove to neutrel tests. The code has risk management and money management built into it and uses volatility concepts too which means its hardly unlikely to lose its edge. Infact i could argue that this system would still show postive expectancy with a totally random entry due to the excellent risk and money parameters.

The good thing about this code is that it does not go for 70% or higher win rate. It infact has only a 44% winrate as present and comes out on top. This shows it is not curve fitted to suit like most systems and that money management and risk management are the important factors in this. They are the real holy grail imo to which took me over 9 years to figure out.

This is a system just the same as a casino's system and relies on many positions open at once to diversify and frequency. The individual trade return is not great but frequency and compounding are key. A edge is a edge and with frequency the return can be amazing.

Please email me if you wish to see further evidence or meet up in person with myself. I am not looking for any arguments here and will ignore and report all who try to mock this. This is a genuine request for someone to work with me who wishes to trade stocks, forx and more. Also i will be looking into putting this on collective 2 in the future and the profit share will be included with this.

As i say no tools or training are for sale and i will amend website accordingly.

I am only looking for one backer, preferby someone who has experience in coding as i want to add some fuzzy logic to code and a compounding module in time as these are the only ways to improve on code. I will not expect anyone to part with their venture capital lightly and will provide forward logs or backtesting if you wish on performance until investor is satisfied. Im in no hurry to trade this and will work closely with investor as i do not wish to kid myself or anyone here.

this sytem is not the best by any means but i firmly believe from logs ive seen of iraj's and my own testing that we will come ontop every year.


jason
 

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january results for vwap128 version 12 stocks


total trades 640

losing trades 334 (53%) $139,247
winner trades 306 (47%) $184,644

profit $45,397
comms $6,400

net profit for january $38,995


ave win $603
ave loss $416

expectancy of $62.93 every $416 risked
 
yes alot of people hated me but please remember some were jealous as many wanted the training from iraj so their opinion's may have been rather un-objective
 
At the moment the trade remove to neutral is 8.8%. Here is the analysis for last 12 trading days, i will update soon:-

12Days / 359 Trades
Total P&L 39449.52
Day Ave P&L 3287.46
Trade Ave P&L 109.8872
Remove best 10 48687.41
Remove worst 10 25315.23
Remove best worst 10 34553.12
Trade Average 109.88
Up Days 8
Down days 4

Winning 116695.4
Winning average 682.43
Wining Trades 171
Best win 1690.31
Best Day 15752.8

Losing -77245.8
Losing Average -410.89
Losing Trades 188
Worst Loss -1009.01
Worst day -9008.87

Win Ratio 47.63
Loss Ratio 52.37

RTN Trade count 359
RTN Trades removed 31
RTN P&L -1040.93
RTN % 8.6

RTN Day Count 12
RTN Days Removed 4
RTN P&L -3250.1
RTN % 33.333
 
i am not a system seller wasp and i understand your fraustration, im a genuine guy who has worked hard to get to this point. Choosing to sell this would have been a mistake and i am only human like everyone else and i admit i made a mistake but if you knew me then you would know im genuine.

perhaps this is not the best place to look for an investor but it is a genuine request as many prop houses back on 60/40 scheme and most prop traders are gone within the first year.
 
Does Grey1 have any issues over a third party using his code/system for their own profit?

What if he decides to make a claim?
 
grey gave it to me to trade for myself and he has emailed me recently saying i am not to use it for any commercial gain to which i am not.

i am merely looking for backing, this is nothing new and many prop houses back their traders on a whim
 
yes alot of people hated me but please remember some were jealous as many wanted the training from iraj so their opinion's may have been rather un-objective

a lot of people hate you because they perceived your meddling denied newbies access to grey1s ideas and assistance, and in so doing, damaged his credibility here at T2W.

that aside,
Doesnt grey1 make about $1K a day from his day-trading system? from what I have seen from the paltalk TT forum, its pretty good, and all real-tme, and above board.

do you not have the resources to trade any other method, perhaps grey1s original, and build your bank from there?

could grey1 bank-roll you? given that its a variation of his method, one he trusts, and thus has confidence in?

I am interested in your remark about "forx" (sic); grey1s method uses sector strong/weak to decide to buy/sell stock within that sector.
are you saying your method now can be used on the Forex markets?
what are your data-logs on FX trades?
 
grey gave it to me to trade for myself and he has emailed me recently saying i am not to use it for any commercial gain to which i am not.

Someone will definately fund you to the tune of 50K. I understand you arent selling the code, but surely the fact that you are considering a split with a commercial business is a violation of the spirit of the agreement ?

The ownership of the code and IPR would be a real problem for me. If I was looking to invest 50K why wouldnt I invest directly with Iraj ?, surely that would make much more sense. Lets assume that the platform on which the solution currently runs changes (and it will), or a potential investor wishes to use the API of another broker (which you must admit is a possibility) are you able to handle those changes ?, would Iraj impliment these changes for you ?

The obvious question is why not just raise the money and do it yourself rather than offering a split
 
If you didn't mention you were JayJay you might have managed to miss all this conflict. Nice one.
 
i have been forward testing only two pairs so far on forex hence results are not great but with adding more pairs this will improve performance as frequency is increased.

forex results are not as good as stocks but one month does not say much. more testing going forward is required.

i also have a vix code that is currently outpeforming all codes which grey1 also gave me. i will post results



forex results for januray using gbp/usd and eur/usd


total trades 326
winning trades 129 (39%)
losing trades 197 (61%)
winning trades $112,413
losing trades $107,701

estimate of comms $1,630

net profit for january $3,082

ave win $871
ave loss $546

positive expactancy of $339.69 vs $333.06

as you can see edge is tiny on forex but code was designed for use on stocks, but still this month ive added more pairs and will post results for febuary for forex as im expecting a better return due to more trading frequency of the expectancy.
 
Isn't VWAP volume based though? Are these results for the futures?
 
Someone will definately fund you to the tune of 50K. I understand you arent selling the code, but surely the fact that you are considering a split with a commercial business is a violation of the spirit of the agreement ?

The ownership of the code and IPR would be a real problem for me. If I was looking to invest 50K why wouldnt I invest directly with Iraj ?, surely that would make much more sense. Lets assume that the platform on which the solution currently runs changes (and it will), or a potential investor wishes to use the API of another broker (which you must admit is a possibility) are you able to handle those changes ?, would Iraj impliment these changes for you ?

The obvious question is why not just raise the money and do it yourself rather than offering a split



if i had the £50k i would trade this now right away but i simply do not have that kind of money.

the reason i gave my real name is because i have nothing to hide and im only being me. like i say this is agenuine request and im in no hurry so the investor can take as long as they like before commiting
 
if i had the £50k i would trade this now right away but i simply do not have that kind of money.

the reason i gave my real name is because i have nothing to hide and im only being me. like i say this is agenuine request and im in no hurry so the investor can take as long as they like before commiting

I think you where sensible to declare your true identity despite the previous history. As I say my concerns would be with the reliability of the technology, and to a lesser extent trading a model without the ongoing support of the original developer
 
here is a screenshot from it right now. You can see below is the vwap100 code which im currently testing. The vwap100 code only works in an oscillating market and is based on vix.x.
 

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I think you where sensible to declare your true identity despite the previous history. As I say my concerns would be with the reliability of the technology, and to a lesser extent trading a model without the ongoing support of the original developer


i understand your concerns but i wish to become a self sufficient trader believe it or not and i want to add my own modules to the code in time making my own stamp on it. Yes grey has given me a fanstatic oppotunity but i do have my own ideas and will put them in the code no doubt. For one drawdown is a bit large but this is ok as we postion size accordingly but i beleive by adding a further fuzzy stop i may be able to improve but then again in all my testing so far by making stops closer i have failed to improve codes performance but still i have many many ideas.

as for technology this is a trend following code there fore fills do not need to be exact as this goes for the trend there fore entry can afford a little leeway.

An api only costs $400 to develop thereofre i see no real issues
 
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