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November 16, 2007 12:49 p.m. EST

TAKING STOCK

Dow Theory Close To Confirming Bear Market

By SPENCER JAKAB
A Dow Jones Newswires Column



NEW YORK -- To devotees of the oldest and most famous technical indicator, an impending bear market may be confirmed by one more leg down on the Dow Jones Industrials -- 264.27 points to be precise.

Leading proponents of Dow Theory point to the August closing low of 12845.78, just over 2% away from Thursday's final figure, as the red line that must be crossed fairly soon to confirm that stocks will have a nasty drop ahead of them.

"We'd be in a primary bear market," said Richard Russell, editor of Dow Theory Letters.

One of two necessary criteria has been met to set up the conditions Dow Theorists are eyeing. The Dow Jones Transportation Index already broke through its support level of 4672.35, and Friday's bad news from FedEx Corp. (FDX) pushed that average deeper into the danger zone.

Russell says it doesn't matter how much lower the Transports go, as the Industrials are now the key. Conversely, a stubborn failure to break through their low would be a bullish signal. Given some of the nasty days lately -- there have been eight drops of at least 267 points this year alone -- the bear market signal could come in a single day's trading.

Dow Theory is based on the letters of Charles Dow, one of the founders of Dow Jones & Co. (DJ), which publishes this newswire. The first editor of The Wall Street Journal, he never gave his own name to the criteria he used, but disciples did so when they formalized some of the rules after his death in 1902.

One obvious question that comes to mind is how relevant a drop in transports is today given that the criteria were developed before Orville and Wilbur Wright had flown the first airplane or most people had ever laid eyes on an automobile. Of the 20 components in the Dow Transports today, only four -- Union Pacific Corp. (UNP), CSX Inc. (CSX), Norfolk Southern Corp. (NSC) and Burlington Northern Santa Fe Corp. (BNI) -- are railroads, which dominated the index at the time. FedEx, which warned Friday, has a larger index weighting than any of them. To Dow theorists though, the mode of transport is irrelevant since the industry is such a barometer of the economy.

"They show whether goods are moving or not," explained Russell.

One reason for continuing interest in Dow Theory is that it has been associated with some major market calls, both for bear and bull markets, though there were some miscues that get less emphasis. One of the original Dow theorists, Journal editor William Hamilton, issued a call for a bear market just days before the 1929 stock market crash, though he had also done so nearly four years earlier, causing his followers to miss part of one of the great bull markets of all time.

Another original Dow theorist, Robert Rhea, famously called a market bottom in July 1932, just two weeks after the bear market low that had seen stocks lose almost 90% of their value. The Dow rallied by nearly 380% from trough to their next peak in 1937, around the time when the signals told Rhea to exit the market.

Another famous set of calls came from Richard Russell himself, who pinpointed the top of the market in 1966, just two days after the peak and ahead of a nasty decline. Even more famously, he called a market bottom in late 1974 after stocks had dropped by nearly half and pessimism about stocks was at multi-decade highs. In the absence of a clear Dow Theory signal, he also called for a bear market in August 1987, which was when stocks actually peaked before the October 1987 crash, the worst one-day drop in history.

Skeptics about Dow Theory or technical analysis in general can point to academic studies showing that it barely outperformed a buy-and-hold strategy, though others give it higher marks on a risk-adjusted basis. Despite some bad calls though, the uncanny history of identifying major inflection points should at least give investors pause considering all the other storm clouds on the horizon. According to Russell, if the Dow Industrials breach their summer low then the sell-off could be ugly.

"Once you get a bear signal, there's no telling how far it will go," he said.
 
Dow Theory Close To Confirming Bear Market

November 16, 2007 12:49 p.m. EST

Russell says it doesn't matter how much lower the Transports go, as the Industrials are now the key. Conversely, a stubborn failure to break through their low would be a bullish signal. Given some of the nasty days lately -- there have been eight drops of at least 267 points this year alone -- the bear market signal could come in a single day's trading.

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Thanks for posting this Db. I have respect for the Dow Theory. In my previous post , a potential support area was marked, and we have arrived. It is an area where one would look to go long. One would analyze action here. Of course as days move forward one is presented with more information and one's analysis could change. New lows are diminishing. For the Industrials and the Transports, that is bullish. Attached are both sector and futures charts. Analysis is the same for both. Should price breach support and hold ,there still is room in the zone. Should price fall as far as the next swing low, this would change direction and then one may have to sell rallies for the primary trend. As of now it is a sideways market.(possibly a springboard) Any thoughts you want to share, Db?

erie
 

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I agree with your analysis. There's nothing especially decisive about down volume, but there are fewer new lows. OTOH, the new highs were pretty much the same during the last rally attempt in October. Where we go from here depends on whether or not the fundamentalists step up to the plate.

Db
 
prices move down

There are three things to note today. One, new lows expanded. That is a negative. Two, volume didn't increase, that is a positive. Three, there seems to be some buying pressure here so let's see how long prices stay below previous support. We are still in a potential support zone. Charts attached.
 

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price closes above yesterday

worth noting today, volume increased and new lows expanded again, not what one would want to see.
erie
 
helo erierambler
You do a nice job using S/R line ....
For where you learn to use S/R like that because is very confuse to draw suply and demand without ambiguity......i mean how u know is right S/R ?
Any book recomandation ?:)
Regards
Catalin
 
helo erierambler
You do a nice job using S/R line ....
For where you learn to use S/R like that because is very confuse to draw suply and demand without ambiguity......i mean how u know is right S/R ?
Any book recomandation ?:)
Regards
Catalin

Hi Catalin,
Yes there are many books, but I believe any trader will tell you to study price action. I only trade the S&P, so I can't speak for currencies, commodities , etc.. On my charts I look at price profile and see where price failed, and make note. Sometimes it is not important for future reference and sometimes it is. Here is a very good thread on the subject and can't speak for others as I only look at what interests me:
http://www.trade2win.com/boards/showthread.php?t=11104
Hope the link works :)
Price profile has a market profile background and one can familiarize themselves with the theory behind it. Just google it and you will find ample data on the net. I would recommend the Taylor Trading Technique by George Douglass Taylor, but again only look at the theory and apply to your daily studies. Other books are by Mamis, he has a trilogy.There are many others but again, I believe it is what interests you. I'm not much of a teacher, but I want this journal to force me to be objective and that is why I post the charts and my ideas and then see after the results. Hope that helps .

erie
 
worth noting today, volume increased and new lows expanded again, not what one would want to see.
erie

Not everywhere. NLs were slightly less on the Naz, and price closed well off the low on higher volume, all of this at support. So we'll see.

Db
 
Not everywhere. NLs were slightly less on the Naz, and price closed well off the low on higher volume, all of this at support. So we'll see.

Db

I rechecked my figures, and even with tonites new data, it confirms that new lows expanded yesterday , even on the Naz. So we disagree :) Now today is a different story. Will put in next post. Thanks for the heads up though, I appreciate it as one never knows if he has bad data or makes an error and it is good to compare with someone else.
erie
 
This is it......

I want to enter here :) New lows diminished today and price went lower, right down into potential support and ended on the lows.( one last swoosh ) On the sector chart it is at 340. Volume diminished today as well. I realise it is Thanksgiving in the States tommorrow, but my charts are what they are. I will wait to make an long entry but my decision will be soon.
erie
 

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careful consideration

After looking closer at the data, I will reconsider an entry and prefer to wait. New lows are at too high a level and upon looking at the charts it is hard to see a meaningful rally occurring. More time is needed. I need to keep objectivity and curb my enthusiasm. The market will always be there........

erie
 
price action

Watching price activity and reaction through these areas on charts....
erie
 

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After looking closer at the data, I will reconsider an entry and prefer to wait. New lows are at too high a level and upon looking at the charts it is hard to see a meaningful rally occurring. More time is needed. I need to keep objectivity and curb my enthusiasm. The market will always be there........

erie

Threading carefully has kept you out of a loss it seems. If you don't mind me asking, why were you so focused on taking longs anyway?
 
Treading carefully has kept you out of a loss it seems. If you don't mind me asking, why were you so focused on taking longs anyway?

Good question... We are still in an uptrend, I look for longs at support. We are at potential support so I look for an entry point. When I see divergence with volume , (climactic volume then a lower price )and divergence with lows, I want to enter. Combines a fundamental nature and a technical nature together depending how one looks at it. It is simple . After seeing the amount of lows to be excessive it gave me pause to look at the charts again. Looking at the transports , they were falling badly, not much chance of them recovering right away, there needs to be a bottoming process. Now they are not making a lower low today. I need to keep thinking objectively...
erie
 
potential entry point

New lows have diminished, volume as well. New highs have increased dramatically. Chart attached. Watching price tonite and tommorrow. Good trading all.....
erie
 

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rally today

Not impressive. Fewer highs, increase in new lows, price did not reach previous day's high. Advance vol. ok but adv issues poor. Time for pause . I'm taking profits now and waiting to see what tommorrow brings.....Chart attached..points of interest marked...
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Not impressive. Fewer highs, increase in new lows, price did not reach previous day's high. Advance vol. ok but adv issues poor. Time for pause . I'm taking profits now and waiting to see what tommorrow brings.....Chart attached..points of interest marked...
erie

I had hoped to see price take out the previous day's high too. But it seems like we had to wait for that until today...
 
I had hoped to see price take out the previous day's high too. But it seems like we had to wait for that until today...

It sure went up...... Price went through the highs of many previous days, without hardly stopping. Noting volume not excessive. Haven't done new lows and new highs yet for day. Chart attached.
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looking for potential "R"

price basically went sideways today, no major retracement of yesterday's move.....hmmm, let's look for potential resistance areas.
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