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I would say that buying a flat in Dubai is on a higher moral level than voting for the Almighty Bush.

Sure, most Republicans are vermin, all Arab dictatorships are worse vermin, so clearly the best coarse of action is to never invest money in aforementioned lands and vote Obama.

There's no reason for politics to be complicated.:cheesy:
 
Why is there a presumption that Obama is not vermin ?

He is a politician after all !!!!!!


Sure, most Republicans are vermin, all Arab dictatorships are worse vermin

Debatable.
 
Why is there a presumption that Obama is not vermin ?

He is a politician after all !!!!!!




Debatable.

How very dare you!

Can't you feel the love?

With Obama about, my food tastes better and my girlfriend's prettier. Change is coming, oh happy days...:clover:
 
Obama seems to be a pretty decent fella indeed, one of the very few US politicians who showed even an inch of judgement and courage by being opposed to Iraq from the very outset, who displayed great common sense by refusing to be conned by the fearmongering and oh so obvious lies and deceit in the build-up to war.

Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell pre-911: Iraq NO threat
YouTube - Powell and Rice assure everyone Iraq is NO THREAT pre-9/11

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"Australia's spies knew the United States was lying about Iraq's WMD programme. So why didn't the Government choose to believe them?

'Intelligence" was how the Americans described the material accumulating on Iraq from their super-sophisticated spy systems. But to analysts at the Office of National Assessments in Canberra, a decent chunk of the growing pile looked like rubbish. In their offices on the top floor of the drab ASIO building, ONA experts found much of the US material worthy only of the delete button or the classified waste chute to the truck-sized shredder in the basement.

Australian spooks aren't much like the spies in the James Bond movies. Not many drink vodka martinis. But most are smart - certainly smart enough to understand how US intelligence on Iraq was badly skewed by political pressure, worst-case analysis and a stream of garbage-grade intelligence concocted by Iraqis desperate for US intervention in Iraq.

It wasn't just the Australians who were mystified by the accumulating US trash. The French, Germans and Russians had long before refused to be persuaded by Washington's line. British intelligence agencies were still inclined to take a more conservative position. And the chief weapons inspector, Hans Blix, even went so far as to say during a late April interview that "much of the intelligence on which the capitals built their case seemed to have been shaky"...."

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A lack of intelligence - smh.com.au

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CIA: Seven Months Before 9/11, the Agency Said Iraq Posed No Threat to the US

Seven months before two-dozen or so al-Qaida terrorists hijacked four commercial airplanes and flew three of the aircrafts directly into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on September 11, 2001, killing 3,000 innocent civilians, CIA Director George Tenet, testified before Congress that Iraq posed no immediate threat to the United States or to other countries in the Middle East.


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No wonder that Bush's case for war was seen as nothing than manipulative, fabricated trash borne of weak minds by the rest of the world.

Even if it had not been Bush's White House brimming to the hilt with transparent and totally laughable Weapons of Mass Deception with no credibility, if instead Iraq had really had the instrumentalized WMD's, the mere notion that an intelligent Saddam would have attacked the USA as Bush constantly scaremongered on about is nothing short of ludicrous and absolutely imbecilic, that would have been totally clear to Hussein that that would have equalled a suicide mission. His life was far too good for suicide missions.

Anyway, I sincerely hope Obama wins the primaries and then the elections so we can get some sanity, decency and common sense back into the White House !

Btw, people really are people the world over, driven by the same fears and desires, evil or it's lesser incarnations of general BS are not endemic to any particular part of the world, race or religion.

Evil or BS is sthg that lurks below the surface in all of us, ready to rear its ugly head at any moment.

Remember the famous Stanford Uni prison experiment:

"The Stanford prison experiment was a psychological study of human responses to captivity and its behavioral effects on both authorities and inmates in prison. The experiment was conducted in 1971 by a team of researchers led by psychologist Philip Zimbardo at Stanford University. Undergraduate volunteers played the roles of both guards and prisoners living in a mock prison in the basement of the Stanford psychology building.

Prisoners and guards rapidly adapted to their roles, stepping beyond the boundaries of what had been predicted and leading to dangerous and psychologically damaging situations. One-third of the guards were judged to have exhibited "genuine" sadistic tendencies, while many prisoners were emotionally traumatized and two had to be removed from the experiment early. Finally, Zimbardo, alarmed at the increasingly abusive anti-social behavior from his subjects, terminated the entire experiment early.

Tom Peters and Robert H. Waterman Jr wrote in 1981 that the Milgram Experiment in the 1960s and the later Zimbardo Experiment were frightening in their implications about the danger which lurks in the darker side of human nature.[1]"


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Stanford prison experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Markus,


“Evil or BS is sthg that lurks below the surface in all of us, ready to rear its ugly head at any moment.”

Yes, but most of us manage to contain it, or rationalise that a particular aspect of our belief system – political, religious or moral – is wrong, eg Shariah law, honour killings, stoning to death, etc. Seems many Muslims are unable or unwilling to differentiate.

Grant.
 
Yes, but most of us manage to contain it, or rationalise that a particular aspect of our belief system – political, religious or moral – is wrong, eg Shariah law, honour killings, stoning to death, etc.

Grant, I really could not agree more that all of those are absolutely barbaric and wrong.

No question about that at all.

Human rights are universal, one cannot hide behind customs, traditions or anything else where human rights abuses are concerned.

But that goes for us as well.

Tortue isn't just torture when it's the Soviets, Arabs or other enemy figures of historical flavour of the moment, torture is torture when it's us or, as is happening now, the USA, as well.

Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, CIA extraordinary "renditions" aka kidnappings, the unbelievable fact that the Soviets could be contained and Nazism overcome, but a few homegrown terrorists from third world sand boxes have seen the US totally lose the plot to the extent torture in the USA is now a fully legitimate interrogation instrument, a feat rivalled only by the most barbaric of regimes, is something that is not only ludicrous and obviously a completely counterproductive waste of time, where the tortured will simply tell the torturers whatever they want to hear, and, very evidently, just as barbaric and wrong as it was in Stalinist Moscow or in whatever other rogues it is or was practised.

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"Canada to diplomats: U.S. tortures people

Another reason to move to Canada.

A training document produced by the foreign ministry openly admits the United States is a country where prisoners are at risk of torture. “The manual - part of a training course on torture awareness for diplomats - also includes Israel, China, Iran and Afghanistan on its watch list.”
Canada Adds U.S.A. to Torture List | Garling Gauge

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" The Central Intelligence Agency's 'rendition' of suspected terrorists has spiralled 'out of control' according to a former FBI agent, cited in a report which examined how CIA detainees are spirited to states suspected of using torture.

Michael Scheuer a former CIA counterterrorism agent told The New Yorker magazine "all we've done is create a nightmare," with regard to the top secret practice of renditions.

In an article titled 'Outsourcing Torture' due to hit newsstands this week, the magazine claims suspects, sometimes picked up by the CIA, are often flown to Egypt , Morocco, Syria and Jordan , "each of which is known to use torture in interrogations."

By holding detainees without counsel or charges of wrongdoing, the administration of US President George W. Bush "has jeopardized its chances of convicting hundreds of suspected terrorists, or even of using them as witnesses in almost any court in the world," the report said.

The article cited Dan Coleman, an ex Federal Bureau of Investigation counterterrorism expert who retired in July 2003.

Coleman told The New Yorker that torture "has become bureaucratized," by the Bush administration, and that the practice of renditions is "out of control."

Scheuer said there had been a legal process underlying early renditions, but as more suspects were rounded up following the September 11, 2001, attacks, "all we've done is create a nightmare."...

CIA Abductions of Terror Suspects Are 'Out of Control'

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"Bush's lethal legacy: more executions
The US already kills more of its prisoners than almost any other country. Now the White House plans to cut the right of appeal of death row inmates.

With less than 18 months to go to secure a presidential legacy, President Bush has turned to an issue he has specialised in since approving a record number of executions while Governor of Texas..."

Bush's lethal legacy: more executions - Americas, World - Independent.co.uk

The fact that the USA has openly turned into a rogue nation openly exercising the most barbaric of human rights abuses while instigating unwarranted, illegal wars of aggression is why it is rightly seen as one of the biggest threats to world peace by most nations.

Doesn't matter if it's Japan:
Japan Today - Poll Of The Week - Who is the biggest threat to world peace?

Or the EU:

...most Europeans believe the United States is a greater menace than Iran or North Korea..."

Well, of course !

Whoe else after all ?!?

Neither North Korea nor Iran have slaughtered 1,2 million innocents like Bush has in Iraq over a war based on oil.

Maybe Obama will end this unbelievable nightmare and restore sanity, democracy and decency to the US.
 
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Oh dear, seems one of my posts has been removed. Did it offend Islam?

Grant.
 
Didn't see that mate.

But, Grant, point I'm trying to make is that some of the Arabs I know are amongst the nicest and friendliest and most helpful people on this planet, and the same goes for Americans I have as friends.

You know that I spent some years living in Arab Sudan, going to an American school there.

The crap emanating from the White House is nothing to do with Americans, the crap going on in some circles of Muslim society is nothing endemic to Arabs.

Crap can and does occur everywhere irrespective of race or religion.

What's not accepotable is accepting crap, no matter where it's coming from.

Sharia is wrong, bad treatment of women is wrong, but US torture or Iraq etc are just as wrong.
 
Oh dear, seems one of my posts has been removed. Did it offend Islam?

Grant.

Oh dear, it happened to me too.

Did I offend those poor misguided souls who pray at the shrine of democracy ?
 
Another one deleted. Absolutely nothing offensive except reference to being at school.

Grant.
 
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