Psychology Does The Bible Oppose Trading?

A Christian Traders' Dilemma

I recently heard a story about a Texas hold'em poker player trying to reconcile the apparent contradiction between his Christian faith, which opposes gambling, and his desire to be a professional card player. With a bit of humility, he explained, When I sit down at that table, Jesus tells me, 'Son, you're on your own'.

As a Christian, my role as a steward of God's resources gives me pause about gambling. And as a trading coach, I continue to receive phone calls and emails from suffering traders who equate their trading with gambling. They ask me, Bill, do you think it's because God is against trading that I'm continually losing money? Does the Bible forbid trading?

Generally speaking, gambling is the hope that you will win a wager in a game of chance where the likelihood of profit is not better than 50%. Trading, on the other hand, is the diligent application of knowledge, wisdom, patience and self control in the execution of transactions such that the likelihood of consistent profits, with proper money management, is at least 75% (some go a bit lower).

Are there traders who trade like gamblers? Absolutely! These are the folks who call me and want to blame their trading losses on God's wrath instead of on their own inability or unwillingness to exercise disciple. They associate trading with gambling because they trade like gamblers.

Are there gamblers who gamble like traders? You bet (pun intended). Let me give you an example:
My father is an exceptional Texas hold'em poker player. This is the incredibly popular card game where a player can bet all of his chips using the now well known phrase, I'm all in and my Dad's success at the game can be attributed to three things:

(1) a clear plan of action,
(2) an ability to wait patiently for the right cards and
(3) the knowledge of how to maximize the opportunity that those cards present.

A clear plan of action
When my Dad plays Texas hold'em at the local riverboat casino, he treats it like a business. He goes with a predetermined amount of money in his pocket. He has a specific goal: to double his money. As soon as he does this, he immediately leaves, even if it's within the first 30 minutes. If he losses his bankroll, he leaves. If he is there for 7 hours and has not doubled his money or lost his bankroll, he doesn't hit the local ATM. He just leaves.

An ability to wait for the right cards
My Dad will sometimes throw away 10 or more hands in a row before playing a hand. He will wait and wait until the right cards come along.
The other card players at the table are eager to gamble. They are there for the action. My Dad knows this. He knows they will play lesser quality hands because they want to play, not sit around and wait. Therefore, by patiently waiting for the right cards, the chances for success are skewed in my Dad's favor.

The knowledge of how to maximize the opportunity
You would think that when the other players at a table see my Dad bet a hand after throwing away ten hands, they would be scared off. Hardly. Remember, virtually everyone else at the table is there to gamble, not run a side business like my Dad. Once my Dad gets a hand he wants to play, he employs a betting strategy to maximize the profit potential of his hand.
I am not endorsing gambling, nor do I necessarily approve of my Dad's card playing. But the reality is, my Dad is more responsible as a gambler than most traders are as traders. This description of how my Dad plays Texas hold'em sounds more like how successful traders trade than how gamblers gamble.

Examples of trading found in the Bible
The Bible references many nuances of trading that we are familiar with. For example, in both the Old and New Testaments we find that the Bible describes centralized trading locations, trading of proprietary accounts, and trading of specific commodities. A good illustration to help us answer the question, Does God oppose trading? comes from the Parable of the Ten Minas found in the New Testament book of Luke, which deals with the concept of proprietary accounts.
Jesus used parables to deliver Kingdom principles using earthly illustrations. Jesus used earthly subject matter that the crowds were familiar with. This only makes sense. If Jesus chose an earthly subject matter that the people were unfamiliar with, He would be stuck having to explain both sides of the parable.

Trading of proprietary accounts
Several traders that I traded with on the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange had financial backers. In return for financial backing, these traders gave up 50% or more of their trading profits, but could receive a bonus at the end of the year based on their performance. The accounts were generically called proprietary, or prop accounts.
Many Wall Street traders trade the capital of large banks. These, too, are commonly referred to as proprietary accounts. These traders often receive an annual salary and a bonus at the end of the year base upon their performance.

The Parable of the Ten Minas paints a remarkably similar picture. In Luke 19:12 13 (NIV) we read, He [Jesus] said, 'A man of noble birth went into a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas. The king tells them, Buy and sell with these while I go and return (Amplified). When the king returned he called for the servants in order to find out what they had gained with it (verse 15). The first one came forth and said, 'Sir, your mina has earned ten more'. This servant was commended for his work and put in charge of 10 cities. The second came and said, 'Sir, your mina has earned five more'. This servant was commended for his work as well and put in charge of five cities. Just like today's proprietary account traders, both the first and the second servant received a bonus based upon their trading performance. Let's be clear, this is not a parable teaching us that we should all be traders. For the purposes of our discussion, I am highlighting the fact that:

(1) these servants were told to actively buy and sell to generate profits and
(2) that the trading of what we now call proprietary accounts was understood by those Jesus was speaking to. Jesus felt that the crowd understood the concept of people trading other peoples' money well enough to use it as the subject matter of his allegory.

Are you called to trade?
So does the Bible oppose trading? I can't come to that conclusion given all that the Bible has to say about trading. But the Apostle Paul points us to an even more important question. In Romans 14:14, the Apostle Paul is addressing the debate about particular foods being clean and unclean. He says, As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean.
Are you fully convinced that God does not oppose trading? Do you regard trading as unclean? Do you have hesitations in your spirit about the matter? Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin (Romans 14:22 23, NIV).

The question you need to ask is, Is it settled in my heart that God has released me to be a trader? If you doubt but still trade, you are not trading from a position of faith, and without faith it is impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6).

If you are unsure if God has released you to trade, take some time to settle the matter with God. When you sit down to trade, you don't want to hear, Son, you're on your own. Better that you should hear, Well done good and faithful servant.

Bill Provenzano can be contacted through his website at www.UpsideBreakout.com
 
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With over 30,000 verses I'm not surprised humility/self-control is mentioned a few times!
 
For example, “Mr. Charts”, A Legendary member of Trade2Win with nearly 4,000 posts says the following:

“Above all you need self-control and the humility to realise you are not the master of the markets..”

I could not agree more! These are two very important characteristics of a successful trader. And the Bible speaks directly about humility and self-control.

“Above all you need self-control” – Mr. Charts
“But the fruit of the Spirit is …self control” Galatians 5:23

“…and the humility to realize you are not master of the markets…” – Mr. Charts
“Do not think of yourselves more highly than you ought…” Romans 12:3

You think that if you scoured Shakespeare's plays, you would not come up with a rather similar set of aphorisms? Indeed, I think you will find the themes of hubris and humility throughout literature and certainly predating the bible. They are the stuff of tragedy. The bible is nothing special in that respect. They also make for a good read, which was no doubt a consideration for those who penned the bible.

The end game for you fundamentalists is to compress human experience into some ancient book from which emanates all the truth one really needs. And that demonstrates an extraordinary lack of humility.
 
taking financial risk to try and earn a buck is a legitimate and honest way to make a living, - why would the bible be opposed to that?
 
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Think for yourselves and use the sense God gave you. Christ kicked over the table thousands of years ago. I'd like to have been there to get the facts right. For one thing, these people were in the temple area where they should not have been. Any rabi, worth his salt, should have done something similar, surely? Does that make Him anti-gambling or trading?
 
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You think that if you scoured Shakespeare's plays, you would not come up with a rather similar set of aphorisms? Indeed, I think you will find the themes of hubris and humility throughout literature and certainly predating the bible. They are the stuff of tragedy. The bible is nothing special in that respect. They also make for a good read, which was no doubt a consideration for those who penned the bible.

The end game for you fundamentalists is to compress human experience into some ancient book from which emanates all the truth one really needs. And that demonstrates an extraordinary lack of humility.

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Excellent point. You are absolutely right that those themes are likely present in literature. But what separates the Bible from, say, Shakespeare, is the transformative power that the word of God has in bringing forth those traits. I have seen it in my life and in the lives of many I have encountered.

I’m certain the first word that pops into your mind when you hear “Christian” is not “humility”. But, as I’ve heard it said, if your judge Christ by Christians, you may find yourself disappointed.

I can do without the “you fundamentalists”, but be that as it may. The end game is not to compress our human experience into some ancient book. Rather, it is to allow the truth of that Book to emanate through our yielded lives. And this brings us full circle to the words of Paul, where he instructs us to be obedient in those things about which the Bible is clear (i.e., avoid gambling). And on those matters which the Bible is essentially non-directional (i.e., trading is discussed but is neither condemned nor approved), we must be sensitive to our conscience, for “Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin” (Romans 14:22 23, NIV).

I really do what to thank you all for your spirited debate. I’ve been an independent trader for 20 years and worked on the floor for two years before that. I know the rough edges that traders have. You guys keep me on my toes!
 
I often wonder, why these religious books came about, 1000's of years ago and all the prophets did they stint on earth, a long time back, when people were supertitous and less aware.
I wonder if Jesus or Mohammed or any of those (weirdo's in my opinion) prophets were to come about now. Demanding we stone people, or do not get involve in usury or many of the crackpot laws of God,
How influencial would they be?
 
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But what separates the Bible from, say, Shakespeare, is the transformative power that the word of God has in bringing forth those traits

I'm yet to see substantive proof that the bible is the word of "God".
 
I'm yet to see substantive proof that the bible is the word of "God".


Therein lies the rub.

An intrinsic part of [the most common] religions is the requirement to accept things on "faith" - demanding a substantial suspension of rational-thinking.

To paraphrase Twain... It's believing "what you know ain't so"...


Magnus
 
Or believing what you don't understand. But graimenash's point on on the bible is the way I look at things.
 
I'm yet to see substantive proof that the bible is the word of "God".

I've yet to see any evidence whatsoever, never mind actual proof, of god or of anything religious at all.
That is of no consequence to the religious because they just "believe".
Because they "need" to or "want" to.
But hey, that's ok, they can believe whatever suits them, as long as they stop trying to ram it down the throats of the rest of us or start wars over it.
 
Goes with a lot of trading ideas. You either believe them or not, but the interest is there, otherwise guys would not hang around threads like these.
 
Whether or not you don’t believe in the Bible being the “Word of God” is up to each individual. However, this article from Bill is obviously addressed to those who do and as such the points made are relevant and the advice sound. Thanks Bill.
 
thanks bill for an interesting article, that i havent really ever put much though into, but have now gained different perspective on how to view my trading.
 
thanks bill for an interesting article, that i havent really ever put much though into, but have now gained different perspective on how to view my trading.


Thanks everybody.

I had a feeling that once we all got past the lightening rod issues that surround a topic like this, we would be able to recognize that there are many for whom faith and religion are an integral part of everyday life. And that includes trading.

Specifically, I sought to speak to those that struggled with the notion that trading = gambling, and therefore the Bible must be opposed to it. A re-read of the article will help to clarify that I am not attempting in any way to cram an ideology down anybody's throat. Rather, to those that struggle in their trading AND have a deep abiding faith in God, I suggest that you not blame your difficulties on God's wrath. Instead, ironically, you can look to the behaviors of disciplined gamblers to help develope your own disciplined trading habits.
 
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"to those that struggle in their trading AND have a deep abiding faith in God, I suggest that you not blame your difficulties on God's wrath"
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Errr......anybody who does that really should not be trading and should seek psychiatric help.
 
dreamed last night I got on the boat to heaven
And by some chance I had brought my dice along
And there I stood
And I hollered "Someone fade me"
But the passengers, they knew right from wrong.
For the peopel all said sit down, sit down, you're rockin' the boat

People all said sit down
Sit down you're rockin' the boat.

And the devil will drag you under
By the sharp lapel of your checkered coat,
Sit down, sit down, sit down, sit down,

Sit down you're rockin' the boat.

I sailed away on that little boat to heaven
And by some chance found a bottle in my fist
And there I stood,Nicely passin' out the whisky
But the passengers were bound to resisist
For the people all said beware
You're on a heavenly trip
People all said beware
Beware, you'll scuttle the ship.
And the devil will drag you under
By the fancy tie 'round your wicked throat
Sit down, sit down, sit down, sit down
Sit down, you're rockin' the boat

And as I laughed at those passengers to heaven (laughs)
(gasps!) A great big wave came and washed me over board!
And as I sank And I hollered "someone save me!"
That's the moment I woke up Thank the lord
And I said to myself, sit down, sit down,
You're rockin' the boat!
Said to myself sit down, sit down, you're rockin' the boat
And the devil will drag you under With a soul so heavy you'd never float,
Sit down, sit down, sit down
Sit down, sit down, sit down, you're rockin' the boat

 
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