Daily Dax

Yep, that's correct. I always caculate in ticks since diffrent contracts have diffrent rules.

I try to have 2:1 risk reward, but I am all in and out. I trade very short term so do not have time for scaling in and out. Once I am out, I am waiting for next opprtunity.

redduke
 
Red Duke Hi

How do I trade the Dax...?
Sometimes ok sometimes badly :)

Seriously...Had along over the weekend..so good start to the week..
However not sure how much further it will go..

I try not to be in and out too quickly. I do occassionally jump in for a few points
but like to ride it a bit...Too many times I have been happy to take 15 points then
it moves ( especially downwards over 80points)

I have also found that with a high win loss ratio /and small risk reward ratio of say 2:1 and a small point target. You only need one slip up not exiting at your very tight stop...and you run the risk of getting a sizable drawdown if not careful as you have not built up enough on the profitable trades.


I prefer to trade less...and look for more points each time. It works for me.

Currently closed my long from 5620's from Friday night at 5677 first thing and now flat.
 
Hi Foale,

Stop loss is not a problem. I have x-trader and it automatically set SL at what ever I am telling it as soon as the trade goes through, and I never move it to increase the risk. So, the only danger is slippage, but it is usually never too big, since I do not trade news.

For me, every trade brings me closer to my edge kicking in. It is like casino, no one knows how each particular hand will turn out in black jack, what casino does know is that over 100 or what ever hands, they will have more winners than losers. That’s my methodology in trading.

Regards,
redduke
 
Nice one..

Keep us informed of how things go.
Stop losses historically my weak spot..
 
Hi gents/ladies, I trade the indices only, but favour the dax for many reasons, this is the first thread I seen for the dax, any objections If I join in the conversation?
 
You are Welcome and yes...there are not that many pure Dax threads about...
We are trying to keep this one going...many that do crop up often lapse after a few posts.

You in France?
are you a short term trader looking for a few points
or trying to find a trend to ride?

Dax a bit indecisive this am.. after its opening gap up...
any thoughts?
 
Hi Foale, thank for your reply, not in France at the moment, back home in old blighty. It would be nice if the thread can be kept going, I will try and use it as much as possible>

I trade the index on a intraday basis, using simple S&R, macd, rsi and price action, I use 5 min and 1 min charts. I trade aiming for collect 20 points, however, if i am fortunate to enter the trade at the correct time< I use a sell order to lock in profits, and will generally let it run moving the stop to capture additional profits. Got a short position in from acrosss lunchtime and took the profits this time, now waiting for the US to open before further trade, I do favour a short position at this stage, but will wait for my signals to tell me

You mentioned about trying to find the trend, interesting what I am looking at at the moment (and I will post the results) is, trading short term (ie: 5 day movements). I want to analyse a full year time frame to see th results, but principally, I looked at a 13 week period, and had you taken either a long or short position based on the opening price at the beginning of the week , set a 25 point sell/buy order, you would have achieved this objective 9 out of 13 weeks (69% success rate) on a long position , and 10 out of 13 on a short position (76% success rate). Which ever way you favour, you should gain, (well at least thats the theory)

Based on this scenario, I want to look to see whether the pattern is replicated throughout the year, and give thought as to whether it is possible to operate to sb account, one for daily intraday trading and one for weekly movements.

Once I have finished I will run a test on the results and post what I find, might make interesting reading if nothing else.

Regards
 
Interesting read...Dinos

I always get worried when I start to record 80%+ win loss ratio...as it usually means an element of luck is creaping in...next thing I know the rug has been pulled from under me...

I am more comfortable with a 50-60% win loss ratio and and use the risk reward ratio to increase the acc size over time.

A very large win loss ratio for me generally means that I am adding to risk somewhere else.
Perhaps not stopping out as well as I should...bouyed up by the recent string of winners...

No trades since early on.. Yet..
 
Hi foale, I understand where you are coming from. I'm well down the road, on this analysis, When done, might be interesting to practice this on a dummy run on the thread, just to see if it pans out, not sure what anybody else think
 
cant remember when the Dax was in such a tight trading range..
of 20 ish points all day
 
Lot of strength behind this move up imo
Shorters very well contained all day.

Trading what I see...so long
a favourable wind and a break of 5700
could see us entend to 5730-35 before bedtime

will also need Dow over 11200


EDIT...was dissapponted with my +8 points at the time I closed it.
Looks a bit more inspired now...
 
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I was suprised to see that reversal yesterday evening, but it served to remind me we are at the back end of August.

Dont wish to prejudge the day but I wonder if it might be the sort of day where its easy to get sucked into crappy trades. As the market range trades the 5650 to 5700 area

Question for you short term in and out traders. Do you have a daily target ?
How do you judge how well you are doing over time? Points per day?

Are you doing a large volume of trades if you are not looking for say 50 points+ each time you have a position and do you therefore have to watch commission levels.
 
I am fairly new to trading and have been studying chartman's excellent article on trading the dow,and have done a few dummy trades and some small trades-and so far looks promising.
His method is based on ema 100,cci 150 and rsi on one minute chart.
I thought I may also trade the dax and wondered if anyone on this thread
 
could tell me if this same method may apply,or if not what method they use. I prefer to daytrade
Rob
 
Morning all, foale, I currently aim for a 20 -25 points per day, more often than not on one trade, sometimes I have to scalp smaller levels, depending on the prevailing market conditions. I go for gradual wealth accumalation using sensible ppp, rather than the get rich (poor) quick by using high ppp.

I never apply more than 20% of my pot to one trade, thus leaving the option for further opportunities should they arise, and more importantly, I always set up a s/l to restrict losses should I call the entry wrong.

Might be a scalping day today, I picked up my target points yesterday on two shorts, I then cocked up by placing a sell order at 86 (s/l 06) as I had to go, by the time I got back the dow had tanked and cmc had th closing price at 52, a nice profit of 36 points I thought, unfortunately I didn't set a buy order, the market had closed, so still sat on a short this am. Ho hum.
 
Despite having a perfect (no kids at home ) trading opportunity today.
Its unlikely I will be trading until this afternoon.

My earlier comment of a 5650-5700 trading range looking more like 5660-5680 !
However I supect this tight range will set us up nicely for an expansion
in the afternoon evening session.

And yes the get rich slow method ...the only sustainable one..unfortunately.
 
foale said:
Despite having a perfect (no kids at home ) trading opportunity today.
Its unlikely I will be trading until this afternoon.

My earlier comment of a 5650-5700 trading range looking more like 5660-5680 !
However I supect this tight range will set us up nicely for an expansion
in the afternoon evening session.

And yes the get rich slow method ...the only sustainable one..unfortunately.

Agree with you, BTW what strategy you employ for Dax, does anybody use Volume Spread Analysis (Tom Williams, Tradeguider) to track Professonal footprints.
 
Hi All

Very choppy from 9:00 onwards if I was trading real money I would of had two trades so far for a -5 on both :(

cheers NT
 
VSA that takes me back...I have his book here...

To me it is essentially modified candles..plus some common sense, and specific set ups to look for.

My charts here using esignal are all in candles, and software I use integrates many of the usual "morning star" "engulfing" signals directly onto my charts over each time frame..
I also use a modified stochastic...more to keep me out of trades...than get in to them

When not to trade...is a not to be underestimated tool.. imo
and of course its a position in itself

There are times of the day I rarely trade times that I know are "whippy" or generally "trendy", and try to act accordingly.

The short term 1-5 minute bar watchers must be very aware of this. Of course the longer your time frme the less relevent this becomes.
 
Dinos re your point on multiple spread bet accounts. People I know who do this for that very reson tend to use more than one Company. Multiple accounts with one Company is generally frowned upon..by the Company themsleves.

They are increasingly imo trying to profile you as a customer, and its harder to do this is if you operate multiple accounts.
 
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